There are many false Christ’s they come in his name saying I am he. So to say you know jesus christ is a direct violation of scripture you know of him wich i believe is the apostles work maybe Paul knew him. He said he did. And I’m sure he did have a relationship with him.but Jesus’s words were strait to the point. He said I will show what it is like to suffer for me. So if he knew jesus why and how could he suffer for him?
Care to elaborate more fully @Hungry ?
J.
My point was if you know someone how could you suffer for them as jesus stated Paul would do. And if you put spirit in there the Bible states it’s like the wind you don’t know where it comes from and where it is going. I don’t think Paul knew jesus like our father does he simply had faith in his name wich is salvation because if you know him you know his ways and his thoughts how can you suffer if you are suffering for someone you know
I was reading my morning scripture. And ended up at 2 Corinthians 5:16. Kinda hit the point for me.
Yes and no. Paul DID know Jesus. First, Jesus appeared to him in a physical form when he was Saul.
“Now, as he went on his way, he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven shone around him. And falling to the ground, he heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” And he said, “Who are you, Lord?” And he said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do.” Acts 9:3-6
Then He personally taught Paul for three years.
“But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone; nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.” Galatians 1:15-17
Paul knew and learned directly from Jesus, just like the other Apostles, just Pauls time with Jesus was following the Resurrection.
Peter
Every house has a yard. There is 12 foundations! With the names of the apostles written there opon! So a 13th would be needed to govern the yard of the house. Got to go thru the yard to get to the house. I think this is Paul’s apostleship. Guarding the house so to speak.
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Riddle me this. I give you direct answers, and you give me this? OK. But I have no answer to your obscure statement.
Peter
I thought i was direct enough with my answer. So let me try this. Like I said Paul’s writings trouble me. Again not to be a broken record but he contradicted the word. To say you know jesus is to take his father’s glory. No one knows the son but the father. It’s blasphemy in my book.
Hungry, this isn’t about Paul. This comes straight from Jesus.
Jesus did not say people can never know Him. He said no one knows the Son unless the Son reveals Himself ~Matthew 11:27. That means knowing Jesus is only possible because God allows it. It does not take glory from the Father.
Jesus said it clearly: “He that hath seen me hath seen the Father” ~John 14:9. And, “He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father” ~John 5:23. You cannot honor the Father while rejecting the Son.
Paul didn’t invent this. He repeated it. God gives us “the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ” ~2 Corinthians 4:6.
Peter even calls Paul’s writings Scripture and warns that rejecting them leads to destruction ~2 Peter 3:15–16.
So the issue isn’t Paul contradicting Jesus. It’s misunderstanding what Jesus actually said.
Rejection, is not even on the table. everything in the bible does have its own meaning. And is true. Look at your scripture one more time. No one knows the son but the father!!! no one knows the father but the son. And whoever the son reveals the father to. Kinda Like you have to go thru the son to get to the father. We were created thru the son. And thru the son we reconcile with the father. My statement stands. Anyone saying he knows the son is a lyer. So the holy bible says in red letter. Wich to me is word. So riddle me this who is the liar Paul or jesus
Not kinda like. Exactly like.
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6
Stands falsely.
Neither. Paul spent three years learning directly from Jesus Himself. Paul’s writing in the Word is as true and relevant as the rest of the Word. It is total, complete, and the living Word of God. Not sure where you get some of this stuff, but it ain’t the Bible.
Peter
You’re cutting Jesus’ words in half and building a conclusion He refutes.Jesus never said no one can know Him. He said no one can come to KNOW Him by human effort. You are stopping His sentence halfway through.
He says that knowing Him is only through revelation. The verse doesn’t stop where you are stopping it.
Jesus says, “No man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him” ~Matthew 11:27. That last portion is important. Jesus plainly states the Son reveals the Father. In revealing the Father, He reveals Himself.
Jesus says of His sheep, “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine” ~John 10:14. Jesus also defined eternal life as, “That they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” ~John 17:3.
If any Christian who says they know the Son is a liar, then Jesus’ sheep are a bunch of liars and eternal life is impossible. That is not teaching found in scripture.
This isn’t Paul over stepping Jesus. Paul is merely reiterating what Jesus taught. God imparts His children “the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ” ~2 Corinthians 4:6. Peter warns that those who don’t accept Paul’s letters will fall away ~2 Peter 3:15–16.
Knowing the Son doesn’t take anything away from the Father. Jesus said anyone who knows the Son honors the Father. “He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father” ~John 5:23.
The problem is when you cut Jesus’ words in half and declare Jesus did not mean what He plainly says. That position cannot be supported biblically.
I say my god is jesus christ!!! Paul was a roman who failed. and so his own people killed him. His story is he never knew the real jesus. But he did know the fake one. Who is responsible for putting the bible together.? The Roman’s. His people. His hustle is loud and clear in the bible. Questain is who’s hustle was it. If you want to infiltrate a people and there beliefs what better way to do it but in the holy bible I’m stating loud and clear the bible is true. but it is also deep. What truth would be present without the lie that makes it tru. Paul is a liar in the holy bible prove me wrong. Please!
And another thing. about these translations that with one word changes the whole scripture. were does that come from? The romans. I’m not cutting anything in half. Im stating what I read. And your statement is wrong albeit I welcome your challenge set me straight. Another good way to infiltrate a people and there beliefs is to learn what thier preaching is. He picked up jessus name and preached the gospel because if he came in preaching anything else that the 12 were preaching he would have failed. Why do you think the 2 apostles left him. John was sick of hearing it. Or just knew. look in the bible only 2 said they knew jesus. and one of them said they knew Paul too. Demons. Paul was running with demons. Unless everyone in history knows jesus including demons. Except me. who I state lound and clear is my god. Im I lying is he not god? Or is there a fake jesus?
Nothing you just said is even remotely true. If you throw out Pasul, then you have to throw out the entire Bible. If the rest of the Bible is true, and it is, then you have to say Paul’s writing is true. You calling the parts you do not like or agree with “fake Jesus” just shows your mentality. There are many Jesuses, but only one Christ. He is the only one in the Word, because He is the Word.
How about this? You claim Paul was talking to a “fake Jesus?” Prove it. Can you bring some receipts?
Peter
To label Paul a liar is to invalidate thirteen New Testament epistles attributed to him, a move that carries significant canonical implications. Right @Hungry ?
So where would you go for sound doctrine? Justification, santification, salvation, repentance etc?
What about Christ Jesus, Him crucified, resurrected?
And did not Paul witness our risen Lord? Was he not an apostle?
Paul’s own account presents his encounter with the risen Jesus as an objective appearance initiated by Christ, not a psychological experience or symbolic insight, and he consistently uses strong Greek verbs of revelation and appearance to anchor this claim in historical reality.
In 1 Corinthians 15:8 Paul uses the verb ὤφθη (aorist passive of ὁράω, “to be seen, to appear”), the same resurrection-appearance verb applied to Cephas and the Twelve, deliberately placing his encounter in the same category as earlier post-resurrection appearances:
“And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.”[1]
This verb choice matters because ὤφθη denotes an externally initiated appearance rather than an internally generated vision, reinforcing Paul’s insistence that the risen Jesus actively disclosed himself.
In Galatians 1:16 Paul describes the event using the verb ἀποκαλύψαι (aorist infinitive of ἀποκαλύπτω, “to uncover, reveal”), emphasizing divine initiative rather than human discovery:
“To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen.”[2]
Here the noun υἱός (“Son”) is central, identifying the revealed one not merely as Jesus of Nazareth but as the exalted, resurrected Son whose identity is unveiled by God himself.
Luke’s narrative in Acts 9 complements Paul’s testimony by describing the event with sensory language and authoritative speech, portraying Jesus as alive, sovereign, and communicative after the resurrection:
“And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven.”[3]
“And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.”[4]
The self-identification ἐγώ εἰμι Ἰησοῦς (“I am Jesus”) presupposes continuity between the crucified Jesus and the risen Lord, making the resurrection the necessary hinge that explains how Jesus can speak, commission, and exercise authority after the cross.
Taken together, Paul’s lexical choices and narrative consistency show that he understood his apostleship as grounded in a real encounter with the risen Christ, an encounter that presupposes the cross, is validated by the resurrection, and functions as the non-negotiable foundation of his gospel and authority.
You agree?
J.
And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. - KJV ↩︎
To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen. - KJV ↩︎
And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven. - KJV ↩︎
And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. - KJV ↩︎
Paul as an Apostle
Paul’s view on the role of the apostles, and on his own role as an apostle, develops in different letters. Early on, he calls himself—as well as some coworkers—“apostle.” Later, he restricts the term for himself and the twelve disciples. According to Paul, he belongs to the group of apostles because of his meeting with, and commission by, the risen Lord.
There is no uniform Pauline idea on apostles, or on his individual role as one. His letters reveal developments in his views. In 1 Thessalonians—probably the earliest letter—Paul does not refer to himself as an apostle in his greetings. The same is true of 2 Thess. Paul places himself together with Silvanus and Timothy and he predominantly uses the first person plural, portraying all three as authors and cosenders. At one time he refers to them as “apostles of Christ” (1 Thess 2:6). However, he may have been criticized for this—in later letters, he speaks of his cosenders simply as “brothers.”
In Galatians, which was probably written after 1 Thess, Paul again presents himself together with a group. This time the others are anonymous, referred to as “the brothers here,” while he calls himself an apostle already in the prescript (Gal 1:1–2). In the Letters to the Corinthians, he names the cosenders, but refers to them as brothers while calling himself apostle (2 Cor 1:1)—or “called” to be an apostle (1 Cor 1:1), similar to Jesus’ disciples. In Romans, Paul presents himself as the only sender (in contrast to all other undisputed Pauline Letters). Furthermore, he says that he is called to be an apostle (Rom 1:1), expands on his apostleship (Rom 1:5), and refers to himself as an “apostle to the Gentiles” (Rom 11:13). During his ministry, Paul thus reinterprets the role of the apostles, as well as his own role as an apostle. Paul also uses the term apostle when listing church offices and gifts (e.g., 1 Cor 12:27–31; Eph 4:11).
Paul is clear about his own status as apostle, however, even when this is disputed (e.g., 1 Cor 9:1–18). In the Letters to the Corinthians, Paul rejects the notion that an apostle is simply one who had known Jesus during His earthly ministry. He asserts that he had met the risen Lord and worked harder than the original apostles in his missionary work. He ironically calls his adversaries “super-apostles,” or more directly, “false apostles” (e.g., 2 Cor 11:5, 13). On the other hand, Paul deferentially calls himself “the least of the apostles” when he compares himself with Jesus’ disciples (1 Cor 15:9–10). At the same time, he seems to set limits to the extent of the apostles: “He appeared to me last of all” (1 Cor 15:8). Thus, while he refers to himself as the least one, he still belongs to a very exclusive group; he met the risen Lord and was commissioned by Him to go to the Gentiles (e.g., 1 Cor 9:1; Gal 1:11–17).
You agree?
J.
Greetings in Christ JESUS
I’m speaking from Brazil, Joinville city, southern of Brazil. The local time is now 11:30 AM.
I really appreciated your message about “Do you know jesus christ?”; its content leads us to reflect more deeply on the Scriptures.
Speaking of our Lord JESUS, the prophet Hosea said: Hosea 6:1-3:-> 1 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two Days will he revive us: in the third Day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight. ->(millennial Kingdom-Revelation 11:15-18)
3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: His going forth is prepared as the morning; and He shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
JESUS said to the Jews:->John 2:19-21:
19… Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But He spake of the temple of His body. (Physical and spiritual body, the Church).
As we know, the Word was made flesh around 2000 years ago, or around 4000 years after Adam. And JESUS said: John 5:17:-> My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. He said more: I and my Father are One->John 10:30.
John 1:10-13
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.
11 He came unto His own, and His own received Him not.
12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on His name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of GOD.
JESUS said: Matthew 11:27:->… no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him. And John the Baptist, the angel of the Lord, said: John 1:18:-> No man hath seen GOD any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.
So JESUS said: John 10:14-16:-> 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold->(the Gentiles): them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice(Alleluia!); and there shall be one fold, and one Shepherd.
JESUS said:-> John 7:38-> He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. And John 8:51-> Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. And John 11:26:-> Whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Matthew 25:29->Unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Revelation 22:17-> The Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Amen.
Revelation 22:11 → He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Daniel 12:10-12:
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
May our Lod GOD bless us and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen
Yes sir. I do agree. Im not denying his apostlship. Or his story. That’s not my intent. Im just saying he lied. He never knew jesus like he said he did. And the demons that said they knew Paul and jesus were lying too. They may have known Paul, but they did not know jesus. And I did not say we will never know jesus. For he is writen on our inner parts. We will know him. He will be our god and we will be his people. What I read is jesus went to the father. His ascension. Seated at his father’s right side. I dont think the voice he heard was jesus. I could be wrong I guess. But like I said his writings trouble me. Remove Paul’s writings from the bible and you still have the gospel right. Like I said I’m not denying anything but I do questain it. Apparently these questains are not new under the sun. It’s a topic that is still ongoing. So I wonder why this came into my mind and when I researched it a little bit it’s apparently been on a lot of people’s minds. What hit me hard I guess is no one knows the son but the father. Paul claimed to know jesus. He even went further than that. He pretty much said he knew his mind and his ways. Kinda fishy dont you think. Maybe he was simply possessed by the demons that said they knew him. But the simple fact is no matter how much good we do in our life that good can all be erased. Nothing is certain but god.