Where do you get this stuff? Of course Paul knew Jesus. He was taught for three years by Jesus. Of course the demons know Jesus. He cast them out. What are your sources for Paul lied or demons did not know Jesus?
Peter
Again I’m sounding like a broken record. No one knows the son but the father. So are you saying that scripture is a lie.
Nope. I’m saying you are either misunderstanding Scripture or intentionally twisting it to mean something it does not.
Peter
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You’re building a case by suspicion, not by Scripture, and that’s the problem.
Jesus never said no one can know Him. He said no one can know Him apart from revelation. Then He finished the sentence. “No man knoweth the Son, but the Father… and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him” ~Matthew 11:27. Jesus defines eternal life as knowing both the Father and the Son ~John 17:3. If knowing Jesus makes someone a liar, then eternal life would be impossible. Jesus Himself shuts that door.
Your attack on Paul is already answered in Scripture. Peter, an eyewitness apostle chosen by Christ, affirms Paul’s writings as Scripture and warns that rejecting them leads to destruction ~2 Peter 3:15–16. That settles it. Scripture interprets Scripture.
Demons know who Jesus is, but they do not know Him savingly. Jesus says His sheep know Him and He knows them ~John 10:14. You’re confusing recognition with relationship.
The real issue is this. You are placing your reasoning above what is written. Scripture warns against that exact move ~Proverbs 3:5. Jesus said rejecting His authorized testimony is rejecting Him ~John 12:48.
God’s Word is not a puzzle of truth mixed with lies. It is revelation. If you want truth, submit to what is written. If you sit in judgment over Scripture, Scripture will judge that position.
Thats not what I’m doing here. Your wrong. You can and will know the father this is his kingdom and it will come. So what your saying is I am misinterpreting the scripture. I took it right I believe. No one knows the son but the father you know the rest. Jesus has to introduce you to the father. It is thru him we are reconciled. No where in the bible does jesus say you can know him. But he can introduce you to his father.
What most Christians are being led to do saying you know jesus. Is the same as me tearing Paul’s writings apart. You can have a relationship with him. I’ll give you that. You can see him. You can hear him. You can know his gospel as writen in the bible but if all his stories were writen they would surely fill the earth and then some. To know someone states you know there ways and there thoughts. And I still stand saying you know jesus is blasphemy to me. Good try though.
Can we KNOW Messiah @Hungry ?
The New Testament uses several Greek verbs for “know,” and the distinctions matter because they tell us what kind of knowing is possible and what kind is counterfeit.
First, there is γινώσκω (ginōskō), which means to know by relationship, experience, and ongoing interaction, not by memorization or external association. This is the dominant verb used for knowing Christ.
Here “might know” is γινώσκωσιν, present subjunctive, indicating a living, continuing relational knowledge, not a one-time intellectual conclusion. Eternal life is not merely about Jesus; it consists in knowing Him.
Second, Scripture uses οἶδα (oida), which refers to settled, certain knowledge, often intuitive or established rather than experiential. This is the kind of knowing tied to assurance and recognition.
“I know” here is οἶδα, indicating confident certainty, not emotional guesswork. Paul is not speculating about Christ; he is settled in Him.
Third, John introduces ἐπιγινώσκω (epiginōskō), meaning full, deep, or true knowledge, often in contrast to false claims of knowing God.
The doubling of “know” here is deliberate and uncomfortable. John is not saying obedience earns relationship; he is saying obedience reveals whether relational knowledge is real or imagined.
Scripture also makes a devastating distinction between knowing about Jesus and being known by Jesus, and it is not subtle.
“I never knew you” uses γινώσκω, meaning there was never a relational bond, despite correct words, impressive works, and religious noise. That verse alone should permanently dismantle the idea that quoting Scripture equals knowing Christ.
Now the crucial qualifier Scripture insists on.
We know Jesus because He first makes Himself known, not because we figured Him out.
Knowing Christ is revelatory and relational, not merely rational. This is why Paul says spiritual knowledge requires the Spirit.
Finally, Scripture ties knowing Jesus to abiding, using the verb μένω (menō), meaning to remain, dwell, continue in living union.
Knowledge here is not episodic or academic; it is sustained communion. You do not “master” Christ. You remain in Him.
So… Scripture is unambiguous: we can know Jesus, relationally (ginōskō), certainly (oida), deeply (epiginōskō), and continuously (menō), but never impersonally, never merely verbally, and never apart from the cross and resurrection that make that relationship possible.
Anyone who reduces knowing Jesus to verse-quoting, theological performance, or online dominance may know texts, arguments, and systems, but Scripture is ruthless on this point: knowing Christ is knowing a person, and persons are not accessed by footnotes alone.
You agree brother? I know you have a “thang” on our brother Paul.
In time, I pray I will convince you otherwise.
So, according to Scriptures we can KNOW Christ Jesus, correct?
Let me know if you can read the verses brother.
J.
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3 KJV ↩︎
I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. 2 Timothy 1:12 KJV ↩︎
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 1 John 2:3 KJV ↩︎
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:23 KJV ↩︎
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him. John 6:44 KJV ↩︎
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:10 KJV ↩︎
Abide in me, and I in you. John 15:4 KJV ↩︎
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“If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” John 14:7
Peter
The father. but none of them have to this date have known jesus christ. You can know the father if jesus introduces you to him. But i stand firm. No one knows jesus
Have you met Him personally in Physical Form?
Because, when I was at the absolute lowest point in my Life; I did.
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I have given you Jesus’s own words on this, and you reject it? Where do you get noone knows Jesus. This cannot be farther from the truth.
Peter
You know what that means homie? I would say thats spirit. I would recomend a correction. Discerment. This is your church. I just knocked on your door. Tell everyone to pray for understaning. Im not that complicated and i dont think any of you are either. But i do know one thing. You canot prove you know jesus christ. And neither can i. But when a table of truth is called. Put your chips on the table or fold.
I truly have no idea where you are going with this. I will try one more time with the Word of God Himself. I mean, truthfully, it really is not up to me to “Prove” anything to you. Just like everyone, you have to make that decision for yourself. If you do not believe me, does that mean I do not know Jesus? Of course not. My relationship with Jesus has nothing to do with your belief or acceptance, or not.
“And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” John 17:3
So you are saying no one is saved? If no one knows Jesus, then?
“Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ.” Philippians 3:8
Paul lied? I think not.
“For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.” 2 Peter 2:20
I guess this is null and void. No one knows him. Then, of course, you have Jesus Himself telling us otherwise.
“Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?” John 14:8-9
So again, not sure where you were going with this.
Peter
I already gave you the answer bro. You know him. We all do and if you look to things of the spirit. Not the flesh. How could you personaly know him without knowing him. a scripture reads, He is written on your inner parts. Both scriptures are proven to me and tru. Somehow i know him, but i cant explain how. As much as i can read my inner self.
Jesus is the truth. The life.and the way. Do you honestly know the truth or just your portion of the truth. Do you realy know life? Do you know the way? Because you know it is written only a few find the way. And i dont believe they found it without first seeking it.
And if your answer is yes. Then what did you do with this great light that has been invested in you. Becomes a burdon there. Did you shine from a mountain top, or did you hide under your bed?