Does God Have A Sense Of Humor? (The Conversation - *And 100% Not A Debate)

Friends, et. al.
I already know I’m on thin ice here. I don’t want to be guilty of going “off-topic”, a serious infraction I know, one that is just asking for swift and comprehensive censure.
Likewise, I sure don’t want to ironically debate the definition of “debate”. Bro @Pater15 has given us Webster’s definition, and that is a matter of record. There it is!

However, anyone who has ever been in a debate, especially one in an electronic forum, or anyone who has ever witnessed the same would be hard-pressed to describe their experience in the same terms as Mr. Webster’s definition. A more comprehensive definition describes “formal debate” to be a highly regulated, impartially refereed verbal contest. Arguments are delivered with ardor, but received without emotion. The intended outcome is to conclude with one clear winner and one contented loser. Possibly in a formal debate setting, this is true, but what I have witnessed “on-line” looks far more like contention and disputations which are clearly (evident) works of the flesh. I’m making no accusation; I too have flesh that works over-time, and against which I continually struggle. Our scriptures are pretty clear about what the demeanor of Christ looks like compared to that of the world; what one led by the Spirit looks like compared to what expressions of the flesh look like. Again, I am making no accusations,

“I will chide no breather in the world but myself, against whom I know most faults.” (Orlando – As you like it A3S2).

I am only warning we not placate ourselves by claiming a definition for something foreign to what we are actually doing. We are not fooling God, and we are probably not fooling anyone else either.

Ok. Let me have it. I probably said too much.

KP

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Since by your words you still seem to be upset...

No, I’m not, really. I’m just making light of it. Sorry if It concerned you. I genuinely have no issue with it. I just wanted to admit at the onset that I was speaking off-topic in speaking about “debate”. Sorry again.
KP

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HAA HAA HA HA. I love that you changed the title.
I appreciate you,
KP

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@Johann
Have you read Trueblood’s book “The Humor of Christ”?

KP

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So what is the verdict? Does God have a sence of humor or not? What did we decide? Just trying to get back to the topic at hand my friends. I siad no, @Johann was a no, @paulhinkle was a no, @Joe-Also was yes, @Pater15 was a yes, @KPuff even though he didnt say forsure i assume he is leaning toward yes as well. And also a serious question just because someone laughs or smiles does this alone mean that person has a sence of humor or is it we assume that person has a sence of humor because we seen them laugh or smile? Wouldnt we have to know forsure why they smiled or laugh to say they had a sence of humor? What if they were laughing to keep from crying? Does that mean they had a sence of humor?

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@Brakes

I think the conversation has yielded it’s aim… I think… I hope. We heard from those interested in sharing their opinions and their rationale. They spoke, we listened. That may be all we get. I actually don’t think anything like a “verdict” was ever in the offing. I doubt we could even approach it without a comprehensively agreed upon definition of “sense of humor”. As I read through these posts, it seems a consistent definition still evades us. You yourself said:

…pointing to this very unsettled definition. I know what I think a sense of humor is, but I’m pretty sure my definition is not shared by everyone. It may be, without even realizing it, we may all actually agree on much more than it appears by this conversation; there may be more agreement under the surface than shows on it. .

KP

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@KPuff Sorry i was meaning to put “does this alone mean….?” asking if a sence of humor simply means to laugh and/or smile, or is a sence of humor more complex? Im a slow learner and ask dumb question but not to be sarcastic but to have a better understanding of what others believe or the way someone else looks at something and sees it to be something different than me. Take sarcasm for example. Some would say that is a way of a sence of humor, or using witt, or even being funny. But i think its a nice way of being rude. just my opinion and just one example of why i ask dumb questions or what people think are dumb to them but allows me to see things from a different way other than just how i see them.

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I have said what I needed to say, @Brakes, even though it was not welcomed, and I remain firm in that conviction because it is grounded in the text, not in sentiment or popularity.

The Messiah Himself is described in Scripture as a man marked by sorrow and suffering, not by ease or acceptance. Isaiah writes, “He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief” ~Isaiah 53:3. The Hebrew phrase is אִישׁ מַכְאֹבוֹת (ish makʾovot), literally a man characterized by pains, ongoing sorrows, not occasional sadness. He is also said to be וִידוּעַ חֹלִי (vidua choliy), knowing sickness or grief by intimate experience, not by distance or theory.

Isaiah continues, “Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows” ~Isaiah 53:4, using נָשָׂא (nasaʾ, to bear, to lift up) and סָבַל (saval, to carry as a heavy load), verbs that denote real weight, real affliction, real cost. This suffering is not metaphorical, it is substitutionary and experiential. He was “pierced for our transgressions” and “crushed for our iniquities” ~Isaiah 53:5, with מְחֹלָל (mecholal, pierced, profaned) and דָּכָא (dakaʾ, crushed, broken down) describing violence done to Him, not merely emotional distress.

So when I speak plainly and refuse to soften what Scripture makes sharp, I do so in alignment with the Messiah Himself, whose path was marked by rejection, suffering, and truth spoken without compromise. If that posture is unwelcome, so be it. The Servant was not welcomed either, yet He remained faithful, and that is the pattern I follow.

@KPuff is still on my case after a critical review on the reknown Quacker’s Trueblood’s book “The Humor of Christ" which he believes is biblically sound.

Something to consider re our Western, cultural mindset.

Ethnocentrism is the broad framing error, where one’s own cultural lens is assumed to be neutral, universal, or even divinely normative, so God is interpreted through Western categories such as individualism, therapeutic well being, rights language, or rationalism rather than covenant, holiness, and communal identity.

Cultural imperialism in the theological sense sharpens that error by highlighting power and imposition, where Western values are not merely assumed but actively imposed on Scripture, forcing the biblical text to conform to modern sensibilities rather than allowing Scripture to confront and unsettle them.

Anthropomorphism and anthropocentrism describe the inward turn of this mistake, where God is reshaped according to human expectations and cultural comfort, with anthropomorphism assigning culturally specific human traits to God, and anthropocentrism recentering theology around human needs, emotions, and priorities rather than God’s self revelation.

Eisegesis names the methodological failure at the textual level, where cultural assumptions are read into Scripture, often unconsciously, replacing historical, linguistic, and covenantal context with modern categories that the text itself never authorizes.

Syncretism describes the end result when this process hardens, where biblical revelation is blended with cultural ideology in a way that no longer allows Scripture to correct the culture, producing a hybrid theology that feels Christian but is no longer text governed.

Taken together, these terms accurately describe the attempt to domesticate God into a Western framework, not because memory is lacking, but because this problem is multifaceted, and it takes a cluster of precise terms to expose it fully and honestly.

In light of the above, and studying Isaiah 53, no, YHWH does NOT have a sense of humor.

Now I have said my piece, you guys can slog this out.

To be frank, no offense, KP is playing the victim here and I don’t have the time or inclination to indulge him.

We, as Christians, should be joyful as I have shared scriptures on that.

Should this post disappear, no problems, I know where I stand.

Does this address your question clearly, brother?

J.

The Jews have a saying-“There is a time to laugh, and that time is not yet”

J.

ok i have question please dont laugh at me. Are jews christians? Is being jewish, like being an american or an african? Do you undertand what im asking my friend i know its dumb and everyone should know the answer but im confused as i have never known what it means to be jewish. Is jewish a religion or a ethnicity?

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No, everyone does not know the answer-read Romans 9 brother.

J.

Being Jewish is an ethnicity and a religion. Mostly an ethnicity, probably. All Jews are supposedly descended from Abraham, and they are supposed to marry only other Jews. It’s possible to convert to Judaism (the religion), but of course you still wouldn’t be an ethnic Jew.

Also, ethnic/religious Jews can convert to other religions, Christianity for example. In that case, they would be a Christian Jew (also called “Messianic” Jew).

So it gets complicated. In Biblical terms, just about every reference to “Jews” refers to “descendants of Abraham”, and most always to those of the Jewish faith. Of course Jesus, Paul, and all the disciples were born as descended from Abraham.

Hope this helps!

Your brother

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This is great work.

KP

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You tell me @Brakes

https://www.oneforisrael.org/nehemiah/

One for Israel is Messianic.

J.

Ironic.

@Johann, that was funny. I appreciate your use of paronomasia by humorously substituting “quacker” for Quaker. Although you know the barb is unfair, and unnecessarily derogatory, still it demonstrates your wry sense of humor, and serves as a poignant example of our topic; and for that I am grateful. Thanx. I appreciate your POV.

Puns, as well as satire, and irony, are replete in the scriptures, (See: studylight.org for some examples.) Some may argue their use is not intended to be humorous, but rather memorable, poignant, or significant. I understand that POV because even if thier existence is acknowledged, they surely are of some “higher order” than man-made humor, and can be considered in a class all of their own. I get a similar gleeful response when I read Chesterton, Churchill, Lewis, or some others whose wry sense of humor (SOH) is classiclly renown. I get it. I, for one, can appreciate both aims; I recieve these biblical instances as both humerous and intensly significant at the same time.

Here is a line of logic that has heretofore not been mentioned. I submit it here for your inspection and correction. If I am off base, I expect you all to correct me.

  • A SOH, by almost any definition, is universal in mankind (with only rare exceptions).

  • Man’s SOH is manifest by laughter, smiling, or other forms of mirth-response to something humorous.

  • IF God has no SOH, and mankind does, then that is one way in which man and God differ.

  • Where man is different from God it is accepted that man is “off the mark” of perfection.

  • It follows then that if man’s SOH is off the mark, it is therefore technically sinful. Man’s SOH is a defect in need of correction.

  • If a SOH is sinful, the Word of God is strangely quiet about it. It’s prohibition does not show up in the “Big 10”, not in the 365 Prohibitions called the “Mitzvot Lo Ta’aseh”, and not in the New Testament teachings (although crude and unbecoming versions of it are).

  • It is impossible for a defect to be acceptable to God since His aim is to transform us into His image of perfection.

  • If, on the other hand, God DOES have a SOH, then mankind’s more rudimentary version of a SOH is an expression of his rudimentary imago dei.

An acceptable form of man’s SOH makes our understanding of the N.T. admonitions that refer to it clearer. We are warned to avoid “crude joking” (Eutrapelia), and “Foolish Talk” (Morologia); as communication “which is not fitting” (which is improper), (Ephesians 5:4). Just as we are admonished against “Corrupt” Communication: (Ephesians 4:29, Colossians 3:8) and “Idle” Words: (Matthew 12:36). The modifiers “crude” and “foolish” demonstrate that the admonition does not speak against humor itself, but against humor’s debasement and any unseemly use.

Any reactions to this line of logic?

I’m open to your constructive criticism.

KP

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Well said - well thought out - perfectly on point - very gracious.

This is how we conduct a proper debate folks.

Your brother

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Sense of humor.

Sometimes, when we unexpectedly see two things put beside each other, it makes us laugh. It’s not what we’re used to seeing, and there is something comical about it.

I was recently at a business convention in an industry that I’ve participated in for a long time. So some people know me. If I’m giving a talk, folks are expecting me to offer expert understanding from long years of experience.

So I stand up there and I say, with an air of superior authority, “I have been in this industry for almost…(glance at my watch) about 38 minutes.”

It’s an unexpected statement that seems ridiculous, and usually gets a few chuckles. This lightens the mood, lets people know I’m approachable, human, and just like them. But only if they “get it.” They understand the joke, and they “get” the joke. That is, they have a sense of humor.

Some people genuinely don’t have a sense of humor, and wouldn’t get the joke. They would ask themselves “why did he say he’s only been around for 38 minutes? He’s been around a lot longer than that. What’s he talking about?” This is a literalist type of person who always takes things literally.

So having a sense of humor sees the unusual or unexpected things that happen or are said with an appreciation that it’s funny. It makes us laugh.

As I said earlier, it just makes life better when we can intentionally choose to exercise our sense of humor, and look at life from that perspective rather than doom and gloom. Life is a challenge. It’s supposed to be a challenge. Our attitude about it will determine how happy we are as we face the challenges.

Your brother

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well said my friend and this is the type of response i have been waiting to read. Thank you @KPuff for that insight. your response was well put. God Bless

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Thank you so much my friend that was exactly what i was looking for, now i understand a lot better. Thank you again my friend and brother

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