Excellent post brother.
Johann.
Excellent post brother.
Johann.
Truth isnât determined by popularity or consensus, but by being intrinsically and objectively true in and of itself.
However, Christ promised that His Church should prevail even against the gates of Hades, and so while the Church is never infallible, nor are individual Christians or groups of Christians perfect, and we can (and do) get things wrong. We can trust that the Holy Spirit has preserved within the overarching community of the Faithfulâthe Christian Churchâthe true faith. And so those things which have been believed âeverywhere, always, and by allâ (St. Vincent of Lerins, The Commonitory, 5th century) to be true.
When it comes to those things we might call âfirst orderâ Christian doctrines, The Trinity, the Incarnation, Christâs Atoning Death and His Resurrection, His Ascension, His coming again, etc these first order questions of what Christians believe are firmly established. They are not true because we all agree, they are true because they are true; and their truth can be seen by a faithful and true reading of Scripture, in the witness of the ancient fathers, and in the collective and universal expressions of faith which have existed since ancient times.
The Trinity, for example, is true. Not because it is popular, but because it is grounded in Scripture, it is witnessed to throughout the ancient faith of the Church, and expressed in our universal confessions of faith. If the historic Christian Church is wrong about the Trinity, or the Incarnation, or about the Gospel; then we are left without a Christian faith, without a Christian Church. It would mean Jesusâ promise that the gates of Hades could not stand against the Church is untrue, it would mean that we cannot trust the Scriptures, it would mean that we cannot trust that the Holy Spirit has kept us in true faith, we cannot trust that the Holy Spirit has inspired and preserved for us the Scriptures which we read in the Holy Bible.
Unless there is a grounded through line, a faithful confession of Christian faith that has existed from the beginning, has continued to exist, and exists even nowâthen we have no reason to trust the Bible, trust the Church in what it says about Jesus, His Gospel, about the love of God, about the forgiveness of sins, etc.
We can all of us come from different denominations and traditions, Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, and trust that what has been believed from the beginning is now, still, believed. But if this is not true, then none of us, no matter where we go on Sunday, no matter how much we read the Bible, no matter what we believeânone of that matters.
I think some people realize there is a chance they are wrong.
I suppose we are all pretty sure we are right, but some of us accept the possibility we could be wrong.
Sure Bob. Of course you are right, (you knowâŚ, unless you are wrong), but Iâm pretty sure you think your right about this, Who wouldnât, but I could be wrong. I guess. I donât know anymore, or do I?
Blessings
You probably do, but I wouldnât be certain of it. What do you think?
Candidly, it could go either way. What are we talking about?
Hi,
Being perfect isnât all that life is about.
After all, I am perfect most of the time.
The other part of the time I am also perfect:
Perfectly wrong.
Established beliefs:
God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
(All have the attributes of God, but separate and distinct personalities functions.)
Mankind are sinners, in need of salvation.
Jesus provides salvation to those who would believe in Him.
Jesus will be coming back someday, raise us from the dead, and grant us eternal life.
We believe that the Bible,in itâs original lettering is the Word of God.
As such, the teachings on how to control our lives are to be followed.
Thatâs about as basic as I can make it.
Blessings
Hi,
Being perfect isnât all that life is about.
After all, I am perfect most of the time.
The other part of the time I am also perfect:
Perfectly wrong.
Established beliefs:
God, the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
(All have the attributes of God, but separate and distinct personalities and functions.)
Mankind are sinners, in need of salvation.
Jesus provides salvation to those who would believe in Him.
Jesus will be coming back someday, raise us from the dead, and grant us eternal life.
We believe that the Bible,in itâs original lettering is the Word of God.
As such, the teachings on how to control our lives are to be followed.
Thatâs about as basic as I can make it.
Blessings
Weâre talking about the 1964 World Series. Who would have expected the St. Louis Cardinals to win the National League pennant when they were eleven games out on August 23rd?
Thatâs what I thought but my wife said we were talking about taking her out to dinner. Iâm glad you cleared that up.
KP