Evolution of Morals

The Word declares this.

“My son, fear the LORD and the king;
Do not associate with those given to change.” Proverbs 24:21

In the past, we valued God, family, and freedom in this country. We all believed that a country guided by God could withstand any challenges. It was commonly accepted that the man was the head of the household, responsible for working and providing for the family, while the woman managed the home and cared for the children. Marriage was traditionally defined as a union between one man and one woman. Many of our early laws were based on the principles found in the Bible.

We used to all agree with what our Founding Fathers said.

James Madison said, "We’ve staked our future on our ability to follow the ten commandments with all our heart.”

President Abraham Lincoln said this. “The philosophy of the schoolroom in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next.”

This last one is crucial. Remember it. So what happened? Some people like to say we evolved. Some say it was the removal of God from the classroom and from society. What say you? Oh, and last question, just one. Do you think revival is possible, or are we too close to the end?

Peter

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This is an excellent question. And, it’s one that my heart has asked many, many times. I don’t have a perfect answer. Lately, all I feel is cynicism toward a question like “Do you think revival is possible, or are we too close to the end?”

  1. We did not “evolve”

  2. Revival is already happening.

  3. We are close to the end.

Stay blessed.

J.

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The United States was founded as a Christian nation and at its peak, was considered a world leader. Just like England used to be. Just like the Ottoman Empire used to be and that pattern is seen throughout history. The Roman Empire was never conquered. It just decayed from within and it no longer exists. We are left with some of its legacy in our society, but the Empire is gone.

Will that be the fate of the United States? Here today and gone tomorrow? Maybe. I don’t know. Revival is possible because revival comes from God and even if a revival comes, does it mean that America will stay in that place of revival?

Nations rise and nations fall, and what we do see is God taking a people for Himself. They will inhabit the kingdom Jesus promised and that’s the only kingdom that counts. Even in communist countries, God is working. The underground church in China, the Nigerian martyrs and the Iranian church. God isn’t patriotic and He doesn’t show personal favoritism. He’s building His church.

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@PeterC We need God in America again.

I too grew up listening to Carman :grin:

No, my friend. I never said that we evolved. Of course, that would be a whole other thread. I said, unforanatly our morals have evolved. And not for the better. Yet we know that Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forevermore. As children of God, we must remember this.

The Word is the living Word of God. Since He does not change, neither does His Word. We must be careful, as children of God, not to change with the times. What was sin is still sin, and what was good is still good.

The Charlie Kirk effect, or did you have something else in mind?

Amen!

Peter

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Yes, I truly did not think anyone would get the reference. I can actually still hear his voice saying these things.

Peter

”Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.” Jude 1:7

”Now the men of Sodom were wicked, great sinners against the Lord.” Genesis 13:13

Is America today the modern-day Sodom? Well, look around.

“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

For this reason, God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, and malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, and ruthless. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them.” Romans 1:18-32

Peter

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A new MAGA?

books

Make America God-Fearing Again

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Works for me. Imagine if this country WAS the Christian Nation it was founded as.

Peter

I sure hope we will be at the Lamb’s supper table sooner rather than later. Maranatha! :heart:

Amen @BarbJo and welcome to this forum.

I am not very “popular” here.

J.

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We are ALL popular in God’s eyes. Thanks for the welcome.

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Amen! That is why God has counted the hairs on our heads. Luke 12:2

Peter

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Such a cruel statement where the bald are concerned. :grin:

:person_bald:t4:

Also, I was not aware this was a poularity contest. Last I knew, this was a Christian centered Forums. We are all Brothers and Sisters in Christ here.

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God still counts the hairs, even if the count is zero.
:wink:
KP

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I counted them too, as I picked them off the pillow.

:rofl:

an ancestor of my husband’s wrote stuff in very early 1900’s and its actually online, regarding this subject. its a quick read if youre inclined:

“The rise and fall of the Know Nothing Society as we have been requested by the State Historical Society to write up the Societies, in the early days of Iowa; We will take up first the Know Nothing Society, which to the best of our recollection was formed in Van Buren County in 1854 and among the first Organizers in the county was County Judge E. Mayne who was a farmer before he was elected to Office, and lived two miles S. West of Utica, and was an active Politician in the Whig party if my memory serves me right. One of the main features of the Society was to oppose Foreignors from holding office, of profit, and trust in our country. In those days it was claimed that a large majority of those that held Offices were of the Foreign element, which endangered our liberties., and was detriemental to our free institutions, Americans, to fill the offices, was the watch word, but of course it was not designed against any that was thoroughly Americanized, It had also in mind that the Roman Church, was also a menace to our free institutions, in regard to our free School System as it was to them that the Bible was banished from the Schools Room, In my boyhood days, attending the free school, the bible was one of the school books, and had readings from the book daily, along with the History of England and Greece & that was before the history of the United States was written, as at the present time; The recollection we have of the name given the Society, was American, while those outside call them Know nothings, because they could not find out any thing from the members, when asked questions relative to the working of the Society. the answer, don’t now, the secret of the order, was not to let anyone know until he became a part of the order, There number of Societies formed in this and adjacent communities, they met usually in private houses, and sometimes at the school houses. The writer organized a lodge at the School house two miles South East of Utica, It was given out that they meet at the above named school house, and when they met they found the door locked, and the only thing feasible was to climb in through, which the(y) did and held their meeting without any interferance, from the outside among the number there that night, was a man living one and one half, that baulked and withdrew when he found out the object was to exclude the foreign element from holding office, the trouble was that he had a son in law that came under that class.

When the meeting were held in private houses, the family would go to some of the Neighbors until the meeting adjourned, It was not the intention to run it into politics, but some office seekers took advantage of it to get into office, both the Whigs and the Democrats were included in the membership, Along about this time, the Whig party was dissolved, and a new party was formed called the Republican party, which was made up of Whigs and Democrats, and afterwards became the leading party, and it looks to me at this time, that the Know nothing Society was merged with the new party, at any rate the latter Society was abandoned, and at this writing we cannot call up any great good that was accomplished, except it had a tendency to arouse the people, interested in our free institutions.

J. A. Keck Stockport Iowa Jan 20 1909”

revival? definitely possible. seems unlikely but im of the camp that strives for it so there ya go. homeschooling my daughter, etc. shes 2 so ill see how it all goes, but so far, i feel shes proof of what the difference can be, and shes just one person. imagine if more kids rcvd a comprehensive education tailored to their abilities instead of one-size-fits-all/govt-propaganda type education. i wont give up hope while im still here. something to work toward positively instead of biting my nails at the sight of decline out there.

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Name someone in politcs who had this education and they’ve likely got my vote.