But is Jesus God?
what does the scripture say?
Hi,
This is surprising simple to figure out.
If Jesus is not God, He has no power to save.
Think about this.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
If Jesus is not God, He becomes part of the all.
It doesn’t matter how good He was.
None of us (the all) have the power to save ourselves, let alone others.
Jesus has to be different from the all to save all of us.
Blessings
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Okay … sorry.
I thought you were here to take part in the discussion.
God bless.
Absolutely.
And He also had only one human parent so … that makes Him pretty different. 
Here’s what I found through personal Bible study, a very simple way I’ve learned to see Jesus as God. In (Hebrews 1:3), it tells us that Jesus is “the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being.” If that doesn’t blow your mind, I don’t know what will! It reinforces that Jesus is not just reflecting God’s glory; He’s literally showing us what God looks like and how He operates.
To explain it better, I like to think about a smartphone. The device itself, the hardware is important, but it’s the software that gives it its purpose, turning it into something useful. If you take away the software, the phone is just a piece of metal and glass. Similarly, Jesus is the physical embodiment of God; they’re inseparable.
Then, in (John 14:9), Jesus says, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.” That’s deep! It’s like He’s saying that when you see Him, you’re seeing God’s heart and character in action. So, for anyone who doubts that Jesus is God, remember this: just like you can’t have a phone without the software, you can’t fully grasp who God is without embracing Jesus.
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You are welcome.
Bless your heart.
I believe in the trinity, Father God, Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Although in John 10:30 Jesus Christ Himself says He is One with the Father. If Jesus weren’t God’s son…then why is Jesus Christ necessary for us to accept into our lives and hearts 
for us to be reunited with God? Ie Salvation? If Jesus were not the bridge then why can’t we go to God directly?
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Yes, Jesus is God. Why does anyone think otherwise?
Yes Jesus is God !! No other God
Isaiah 42:1 : “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations.”
Jesus is not normal person. He is the spirit of god. God stopped speaking to people when jesus came to earth
Peace to all,
Hi, it’s me, Stephen, I love logic, to me. HI.
So true, Jeshma, to me, Logically two Natures, Nations, God and Temple, from three persons, creation, immortal transformation for glorification and incorruption transfigured by powers conceived in two Persons Son of God from the New Eve and Mother of Son of Man through the New Adam, Jesus in One God through The Christ in all becoming again One Holy Spirit One God in being.
I love Logic because Logic is created by God, the Holy Family One God in being, to me.
How can we know the Mind of God? Well, then where is Stephen?
Hi, it’s me, Logically there is only “One Way.” I know, we may hear, ““I could just “pinch” that Stephen.”” OK, kidding aside, behind, now for more logic for all, to me.
Sometimes some ask," Who’s got the Logic Power?" Could be new to some, never heard this one, before? All from searching through salvation can become logical for understanding in logic, to me.
How about a Hallelujah, brothers ans sisters, God is Great! To early? OK, will wait for it.
And we know not to preach or proselytize and only in generalization I say we become again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being through Two Natures in One Holy Family.
In all generalization Faithfully we are saved.
Logically we are created failed become immortal through the flesh from the Incorruptible Power of the Holy Spirit Family of God becoming for the Body in two natures to hyperstatically become again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
For all faithfully who do not believe Jesus is God logically we know we are born failed from The Father Through the Mother for the Son, the First Adam, split equally “Ribed” separated becoming Adam and Eve from the spirit through created souls of all for the flesh becoming the Body through two natures becoming flesh nature immortality through the New Eve becoming Holy Spirit Incorruption from the New Adam Virgin Born in the Christ in all mankind becoming again reborn and saved from blood and water through the Cross for One Holy Spirit Family One God in all mankind.
Faithfully Jesus Christ is God, how logically for the ones with not faithful understanding? Logically, to me.
We know we are saved from Faith through The Christ for all in One God.
But logically for all who logically do not understand faithful salvation for all as One in being One Holy Spirit Family One God in being living forever in a Body from two natures reimaged immortal through a created soul for the flesh in the Body to become from spirit power through created souls of all for the Body becoming Holy Spirit incorruption One hyperstatically in One Body becoming again in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Can We get a Hallelujah? Yes, Lord Hallelujah, Amen Brothers and Sisters.
The logic follows the pattern From, Through, For, and In Him.
Logically, Jesus is present before Creation was ever created was even created as Eternal Priestly Authority of Spirit and Life, making Jesus God from preexistence. So fro the Mother and the Father, logically in One Holy Family of God in God in being. Can you see why, “I Love Logic.”
In the beginning, logically Jesus existed together from His Father through His Mother for infallible undefiled intelligence logic spiritually in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being. the True Wisdom of “Sophia” and The Entire Holy Family is the Word, and the “Logical Mind of God.” The four most powerful words in the Bible are “the Word becomes flesh” through Jesus becoming our own Personal Holy Family in Our Own Christ in all mankind. And each are personal Gods in being and separately Gods and each equal in the Powers of God and together in One God One Holy Spirit Family One God in being living inside of us. Logically there is only “One Way.”
Jesus becomes the Christ Virgin Born, conceived from the Incorruptible Spirit Will of The Holy Family through the Immaculate Flesh for the New Eve for Jesus in The New Adam becoming The Christ in all mankind all the Gods becoming living inside of us becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, to me, OMNILogically.
And faithfully we do not need logic for we know we are saved for all who believe “The Gift”
Peace always,
Stephen
Explicit statements identifying Jesus as “God”
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Is. 9:6; note 10:21. Translations which render the Hebrew el gibbôr here as “mighty hero” are inconsistent in their rendering of 10:21. Also note that Ezek. 32:21, which some try to cross-reference, is (a) not in the same context, as is Is. 10:21, and (b) speaking of false gods, cf. I.G.5. Some object that “mighty God” is simply theophoric (i.e., in which a person’s name says something about God, not about himself). However, this is not true of the rest of the compound name, which is descriptive of the Messiah himself (note especially “Prince of Peace”). It certainly makes no sense to argue both that the expression el gibbôr means merely “mighty hero” and that it is a theophoric description of God. In light of the NT, we should understand it as a description of the Messiah as God.
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John 1:1. Even if Jesus is here called “a god” (as some have argued), since there is only one God, Jesus is that God. However, the “a god” rendering is incorrect. Other NT passages using the Greek word for God (theos) in the same construction are always rendered “God”: Mark 12:27; Luke 20:38; John 8:54; Phil. 2:13; Heb. 11:16. Passages in which a shift occurs from ho theos (“the God”) to theos (“God”) never imply a shift in meaning: Mark 12:27; Luke 20:37-38; John 3:2; 13:3; Rom. 1:21; 1 Thess. 1:9; Heb. 9:14; 1 Pet. 4:10-11. In context, the preincarnate Christ (called “the Word”) is eternal (existing before creation, 1:1-2), is credited with creation (1:3, 10), is the object of faith (1:12), and has the divine glory (1:14)—all of which shows that he really is God.
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John 1:18. The best manuscripts have “God” here, not “Son.” The word monogenês, frequently rendered “only-begotten,” actually means “one of a kind,” “unique,” though in the NT always in the context of a son or daughter. Even if one translates “only-begotten,” the idea is not of a “begotten god” as opposed to an “unbegotten god.” The best translation is probably “God the only Son” (NRSV).
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John 20:28. Compare Rev. 4:11, in which the same author (John) uses the same construction in the plural (“our”) instead of the singular (“my”). See also Ps. 35:23. Note that Christ’s response indicates that Thomas’s acclamation was not wrong. Also note that John 20:17 does show that the Father was Jesus’ “God” (due to Jesus becoming a man), but the words “my God” as spoken by Thomas later in the same chapter must mean no less than in v. 17. Thus, what the Father is to Jesus in his humanity, Jesus is to Thomas (and therefore to us as well).
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Acts 20:28: “the church of God which he purchased with his own blood.” The variant readings (e.g. “the church of the Lord”) show that the original wording was understood to mean “his own blood,” not “the blood of his own [Son]” (since otherwise no one would have thought to change it). (No one seems to have thought to understand the text to mean “the blood of his own” until about a hundred years ago.) Thus all other renderings are attempts to evade the startling clarity and meaning of this passage.
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Rom. 9:5. While grammatically this is not the only possible interpretation, the consistent form of doxologies in Scripture, as well as the smoothest reading of the text, supports the identification of Christ as “God” in this verse.
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Titus 2:13. Grammatically and contextually, this is one of the strongest proof texts for the deity of Christ. Sharp’s first rule, properly understood, proves that the text should be translated “our great God and Savior” (cf. same construction in Luke 20:37; Rev. 1:6; and many other passages). Note also that Paul always uses the word “manifestation” (“appearing”) of Christ: 2 Thess. 2:8; 1 Tim. 6:14; 2. Tim. 1:10; 4:1, 8. The view that Paul means that Jesus Christ is “the glory of our great God and Savior” has several difficulties. For example, construing “Savior” as someone other than “Jesus Christ” in this context is awkward and implausible. Such alternate explanations would never have been entertained had Paul written “the appearing of the glory of our great Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” Thus, the root problem is the assumption that Paul could not have called Jesus God.
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Heb. 1:8. The rendering, “God is your throne,” is nonsense—God is not a throne, he is the one who sits on the throne! Also, “God is your throne,” if taken to mean God is the source of one’s rule, could be said about any angelic ruler—but Hebrews 1 is arguing that Jesus is superior to the angels.
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2 Pet. 1:1. The same construction is used here as in Titus 2:13; see the parallel passages in 2 Pet. 1:11; 2:20; 3:2, 18. See comments above on Titus 2:13.
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1 John 5:20. Admittedly, biblical scholars are split on whether the “true God” in this text is the Father or the Son. Three considerations favor the Son. First, the closest antecedent for “this one” is Jesus Christ (“in his Son Jesus Christ. This one…”). Second, in 1:2 the “eternal life” is Jesus Christ (who was “with the Father”), an apparent example of inclusio (repetition of a theme or idea at the beginning and end of a text). Third, the confession form “This one is …” (houtos estin) strongly favors Jesus Christ, rather than the Father, as the subject, since John uses this language repeatedly with regard to Christ (John 1:30, 33, 34; 4:29, 42; 6:14, 42, 50, 58; 7:18, 25, 26, 40, 41; 1 John 5:6; of the man born blind, John 9:8, 9, 19, 20; of the disciple, John 21:24; of the anti-Christ, 1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7), but not once for the Father. John has just used this formula for Christ earlier in the same chapter (1 John 5:6).
The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity, Part IV: The Son, Jesus Christ, Is God | Biblical Christianity
Johann.
Do any one think that jesus only alone work and there is no other then jesus. So any one thinks that perspective please comment. Those who believe in trinity dont comment.
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Yes, I’m someone who stands firmly against the doctrine of the Trinity—not out of stubbornness or rebellion, but because of a sincere desire to remain faithful to the Scriptures and to the revelation of God as He has made Himself known. My conviction doesn’t come from church creeds or councils but from a deep engagement with the Word of God, prayer, and a hunger for truth that aligns with both the Spirit and the letter of Scripture.
The doctrine of the Trinity, as defined by post-biblical councils, teaches that there are three co-equal, co-eternal “persons” in one Godhead: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But when I read the Bible, I simply do not see God revealed in that way. I see one God—not just in numerical concept, but in indivisible essence. Deuteronomy 6:4 declares clearly and unshakably, “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.” That’s not poetic or metaphorical. That’s the cornerstone of biblical monotheism.
Now, I absolutely believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost—but not as three separate persons. I see them as three manifestations of the one eternal God. The Father is God in His invisible, eternal, omnipresent deity. The Son is God manifested in flesh (1 Timothy 3:16). The Holy Ghost is God’s Spirit at work in and through believers. Not three minds, not three wills, and not three centers of consciousness. One God who reveals Himself in different ways for different redemptive purposes.
Many Trinitarians will say, “But Jesus prayed to the Father! How can He be the Father if He prayed to Him?” That’s a fair question—if you assume Jesus is a separate divine person. But I don’t start with that assumption. I understand that Jesus had two natures: He was fully God and fully man. As a man, He prayed, grew, hungered, and even died. But as God, He forgave sins, raised the dead, calmed the seas, and received worship. So when Jesus prayed, it wasn’t God praying to God—it was the human will of Christ, fully submitted to the divine will of the Spirit that indwelt Him (John 14:10, “The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works”).
The term “God the Son” is never found in the Bible. What I do read is that the Word was with God and was God (John 1:1)—not a second person with God, but the self-expression of God, His eternal thought and plan. And John 1:14 says that Word was made flesh—not that a second divine person became flesh, but that God’s own voice—His Logos—put on humanity in the man Christ Jesus.
Colossians 2:9 sums it up beautifully for me: “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” Not just a part of God. Not one-third. Not a representative of a triune council. All the fullness—everything that God is—dwells in Jesus Christ. Hebrews 1:3 calls Him the express image of His person—not persons plural, but one person.
And I’ve often asked myself: if the Trinity were true, why did no apostle ever teach it explicitly? Why did Peter preach in Acts 2:38 that we must repent, be baptized in the name (singular) of Jesus Christ, and receive the Holy Ghost—without ever mentioning three divine persons? Why does the name of Jesus carry the authority of salvation, healing, baptism, and judgment? Because in Him dwells the fullness of deity. Because He is the visible image of the invisible God.
So yes, I reject the Trinity—not because I don’t love Jesus or believe in the Holy Ghost, but because I do. I believe Jesus is the one true God manifest in flesh. Not a second divine person. Not a junior member of a Godhead. But Emmanuel—God with us. Forever one. Forever indivisible. Forever supreme.
And if I must choose between the voice of Scripture and the voice of centuries-old philosophical theology, I’ll choose the voice of the Spirit-breathed Word every single time.
Peace to all,
The OMNILogical God is not about the Faithful, to me. OMNILogic is about logically understanding the Godhead, The Logical Mind of The One God in being. OMNILogic is for all children of The One God in being, for all.
OMNILogic works only “One Way” through both natures. To me it is too hard for one to unlogic OMNIlogic in the Church before God, to me.
The Host is from the Holy Spirit Family One God in being transforming all becoming immortality and glorifies and incorruptibly transfigures by contact through all becoming again in all One Family, to me.
To me, in all generalization, The Logical Godhead, is From the Father through The Mother for the Son becoming The Christ in all mankind and angels becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being. I request take this and print out and take to your pastor, your Priest and your, my Pope for all to understand “The Logical Mind of God” then they will be able to explain this logic to all, please. To me, The Miriam presence in the Church and is The New Eve, through the Chruch from The Body of Christ through His Passion today and is Mary The Mother of God preexisting in the Holy Family One God in being becoming again in all.
Starting here, Logically proof is flesh will save the angels, and the angels knew of the becoming power of flesh in Heaven before mankind was even created, and proof is in the OMNILogic. Do you want proof? Reread the sentence again, from starting here, thinking logically, then you have it, OMNILogical Proof in God.
No where on the planet is this OMNILogic written because the Bible is Two books in One, The Reference Book and the Inspired Word of God.
Logically and in all generalization, The Trinity has to be fixed seeing the Mother as The God of Mercy together with The Father and The Son and the Holy Spirit is the Family of The One God as The Holy Spirit Family One God in being since before creation was ever created was even created.
In all generalizations, No One before God will argue “The OMNILogicalGod, to me.”
The Logical God is for those who want to see God, really, logically, to me.
The OMNILogicalGod applies the logical formulas of the Faith in The Christ becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being through all of the Wondrous Mysteries of the Faith so even a child can understand the Mind of God.
To the faithful who cannot see logic, we know through faith are all saved.
Logic is not for the Faithful, logic is for the seekers of salvation through “The Logical Mind of The Divine.”
The OMNILogicalGod test on Baptism and Rebirth for all mankind.
To the faithful what is Baptism?
To the logical what is Baptism?
The Logical introduction of the Faith in Baptism becoming “Reborn” for all to understand through “The OMNI Mind.” by Stephen
Hi, It’s me, how is all?
Faithfully we know Baptism but logically we can know Baptism, really, truthfully becoming reborn.
To the becoming Logical Minds of God, Baptism is from the living waters from the spirit for the created souls of all through the flesh, in The Body to become from death through resurrection life from failed mortal to eternal immortal life becoming again in One Body One God in being.
Logically one cannot baptize a spirit without flesh and flesh how mankind, through The Chrst is how flesh saves the angels and proof of OMNILogic becomes clear.
The angels too were awaiting safely in the Bosom of Abraham.
Peace always,
Stephen
Cute speech—wrong God.
Let’s walk this slow, since your theology’s already sprinting in the wrong direction.
You say the Trinity is a “post-biblical invention,” but you quote John 1:1 like it’s on your side. Newsflash: “The Word was with God, and the Word was God” doesn’t mean God had a sock puppet. “With God” means distinction. “Was God” means unity. You don’t get to slice that verse down the middle like theological sushi and pretend it’s all the same fish.
Then there’s that favorite Oneness tap dance—“Jesus prayed as a man, not as God!” So let me get this straight: the man prayed, but the God inside Him just…watched? Do we have divine ventriloquism now? No, friend. What we have is one Person of the Godhead talking to another—because relationship has always been at the heart of the Trinity, not roleplay in a flesh costume.
Colossians 2:9? Yes, the fullness of deity dwells in Christ bodily. Amen. But guess what? That doesn’t mean the Father and the Spirit are the Son. It means the Son shares the same divine nature. That verse proves His deity—not your denial of the triune distinction. You can’t just read “fullness” and shout “Monopoly!” over the Godhead.
Now let’s talk about your “one name” baptism theology. Acts 2:38 is beautiful—but don’t play Word Twister with it. Jesus said, “Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” That’s three of something, and you can’t grammatically erase that no matter how much water you pour over it.
And saying the apostles never taught the Trinity? Read Matthew 28:19 again—slower this time. Paul opens his letters greeting believers in the grace of Jesus, the love of the Father, and the fellowship of the Spirit. Peter calls Jesus “God and Savior.” The early Church wasn’t confused—they just weren’t filtering Scripture through a Oneness funnel.
You’re right to be zealous for the Word. But zeal without accuracy builds a golden calf and slaps a “Jesus” sticker on it.
One God. Three Persons. No confusion. No costume changes. No philosophical fog. Just the eternal Father, the eternal Son, and the eternal Spirit—one in essence, distinct in person, united in glory.
Stephen, my man—somebody bring this brother a napkin, ‘cause his theology is leaking all over the floor.
Let’s make this plain: your “OMNILogic” sounds less like divine revelation and more like a thesaurus got baptized in philosophical soup. You keep stringing together poetic phrases like “becoming again in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being” as if repetition alone will resurrect logic from that theological grave you’ve dug. But Scripture is not a cipher waiting to be cracked by mystical math formulas. It’s God-breathed truth, not a spiritual Sudoku.
Here’s the real logic—biblical logic: the Holy Spirit is not a “family force” or gender-fluid group hug. He is the third person of the Trinity, co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and the Son (Matthew 28:19). Not “from the Mother,” not “through a preexistent Miriam channel,” and certainly not a metaphysical committee of divine energies. The Holy Spirit is He, not they. (John 14:26, “The Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things.”)
And this Mary-in-the-Godhead remix you’re pitching? That’s not bold theology—it’s celestial fanfiction. Mary is honored, yes—blessed among women, theotokos—but she’s not eternal, not divine, and not the missing piece in some cosmic family diagram. You can’t retrofit the Godhead just because your OMNI-vision needs a maternal mascot.
Want to understand the Trinity? Don’t chase metaphysical unicorns. Just read your Bible and believe it. One God, three persons—Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Distinct, not divided. Unified, not confused. Eternal, not evolving.
Now take that to your priest, your pastor, and yes—your Pope. But bring a Bible with you this time.
Amen.
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Peace to all,
How can Jeuss be God and Not His Mother but is Father is and this makes the Third Person the Holy Spirit and not the Family of God.
Ok.
I think I understand faithfully, not not logically,
Peace always,
Stephen
Stephen,
Jesus is God because He is eternally begotten of the Father, not because He inherited divinity through Mary. His divinity is not a passed-down trait like eye color. Mary gave Him a human nature, not divine essence. That came from eternity, not Nazareth.
The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
Not three Gods, but one God in three persons—co-eternal, co-equal, indivisible in essence.
Mary? She’s the mother of the Son’s humanity, not the source of the Trinity. That title “Mother of God” (Theotokos) affirms that Jesus is fully God, not that Mary is divine. She’s the handmaid of the Lord, not His eternal counterpart.
And no, the Holy Spirit isn’t a “family unit” or a divine household manager. He is the Lord, the Giver of Life, proceeding from the Father and the Son, not from some cosmic maternity ward.
You’re trying to solve heavenly mystery with human logic and rewiring the Godhead into a divine sitcom cast. But Scripture wasn’t written to be OMNILogically decoded—it was written to be believed.
God is not the sum of symbolic archetypes. He is who He reveals Himself to be. One God, in three persons. Period.
Grace and truth,
—Sincere Seeker
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