Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: How Do You Understand the Godhead?

Brother, respectfully, what you’ve said contradicts both the Torah and the Apostolic Writings.

Animal sacrifices never saved souls–not in the Old Covenant nor the New. Scripture plainly states:

“It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.”
— Hebrews 10:4
Greek: ἀδύνατον γὰρ αἷμα ταύρων καὶ τράγων ἀφαιρεῖν ἁμαρτίας (adynaton gar haima taurōn kai tragōn aphairein hamartias)
The verb ἀφαιρεῖν (aphairein) means “to remove completely.” The text asserts a divine impossibility–not a temporary effect.

The Levitical sacrifices pointed forward typologically to the true atoning work of Messiah:

“For since the law has but a shadow [σκιὰν, skian] of the good things to come instead of the true form [εἰκόνα, eikona] of these realities…”
— Hebrews 10:1

Salvation has always been by faith, not through sacrifice in itself. Abraham himself was not justified by animal offerings but by belief:

“Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”
— Genesis 15:6, quoted in Romans 4:3, Galatians 3:6, James 2:23
Greek (Romans 4:3): ἐπίστευσεν δὲ Ἀβραὰμ τῷ θεῷ, καὶ ἐλογίσθη αὐτῷ εἰς δικαιοσύνην (episteusen de Abraam tō Theō, kai elogisthē autō eis dikaiosynēn)

Christ returned not merely because of Abrahamic promises, but to fulfill them in Himself:

“Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring… who is Christ.”
— Galatians 3:16

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.”
— Galatians 3:29

Christ returned (incarnated) to deal with sin finally, not to repeat the symbolic pattern of sacrifices:

“But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”
— Hebrews 9:26
Greek: εἰς ἀθέτησιν ἁμαρτίας διὰ τῆς θυσίας αὐτοῦ (eis athetēsin hamartias dia tēs thysias autou) — “to annul/remove sin by His sacrifice”

“Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!”
— John 1:29

So to your question—Why did He return?

He returned because no Levitical priest or animal could redeem a single soul. He came to fulfill every shadow, cancel the record of debt, and become our Great High Priest (Hebrews 4:14) forever.

God bless.

Johann.

Logically, families have grandpa, grandma, aunties, nephews, and that weird uncle. But that’s irrelevant.

The Holy Trinity is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There is no “mother”.

Peace to all,

Who was the first Family in Heaven?
The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit Person?
Or The Father The Mother and The Son?
Is The Trinity Three Persons?

Peace always,
Stephen

Who was the first Family in Heaven?

A non-relevant question as it pertains to the Trinity.

The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit Person?

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not “the first family in heaven”, these are the Three Eternal Persons of the Holy Trinity, God.

Or The Father The Mother and The Son?

There is no “mother” in the Trinity. The Trinity is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Three Eternal and Divine Persons of one Being/Essence. God.

Is The Trinity Three Persons?

Yes. The Father, His Son, and Holy Spirit. God.

Who taught you this “first family in heaven” stuff? What church are you part of? What theologians and teachers are you listening to? Are you simply making this up in your own head?

The Trinity is not missing a mother—it’s missing nothing. God is not a family reunion; He is one Being in three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—co-equal, co-eternal, and consubstantial. That’s not “family logic.” That’s revealed truth.

Scripture never speaks of the Holy Spirit as a maternal figure, nor of Mary as a member of the Godhead. That’s theological fiction, not biblical doctrine. The Holy Spirit is a Person (Acts 13:2; Ephesians 4:30), not a metaphor or mystical family essence.

God’s nature isn’t up for “logical reconstruction.” He’s already told us who He is: “Go therefore and baptize… in the name [singular] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19). One God. Three Persons. No vacancies.

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Sure glad to see you back in action @SincereSeeker.

Johann.

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It is amazing how quickly the trend of preaching/teaching/claiming that Jesus is not God is spreading online. The Father Only, or Father and Son, doctrine has become so popular that it is almost assumed among many new Christians coming into the Faith.

There is so much evidence in the Bible that Christ is God that we could carry on a thread about it for many pages. So let’s do just that. Those who embrace the idea that the Father alone is God, and Jesus is not God, please feel free to make your case and openly discuss all of the Biblical evidence that supports the contrary.

I’m happy to be a new member here and look forward to a lively, respectful discussion.

God bless.

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John1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

If Jesus, is the word, then he made everything, which means he was not made, in other words is God the Son.

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Amen.

John 1 is one of the most attacked chapters of the New Testament concerning Jesus being God. Once they have asserted that it cannot be speaking of Christ, despite the undebatable nature of the wording, they are then (in their minds) free to make many other assertions about other verses that could not stand if John 1 were intact and clear, as we know that it is.

God bless.

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Read Lee Strobel book the case for Christ he was an atheist who came to believe. I rest my case.

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Yes, 5489, Jesus Christ is certainly God.

God bless.

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I find a very interesting statement from Christ in John 8:24. We see in the Old Testament that God refers to Himself as “I AM” when telling Moses to go to the Israelites and tell them who sent him. Jesus’ statement in Jn. 8:24 not only declares Himself to be the “I AM”, but indicates that those who do not accept Him to be the God of the OT will not have His blood covering upon their physical death and will “die in their sins”.

Many who wish to claim that Jesus is not God try all manner of approaches to deny and destroy the Truth of this verse. One of their chief objections is that “Jesus never claim to be God.” We see here, and elsewhere, that this is incorrect - He most certainly does, many times, many ways.

There are so many more verses that undeniably prove that Christ is God.

It’s indeed a vital discussion. John 1:1 states, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” This passage clearly identifies Jesus, the Word, as divine.

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Wow. AI is really taking over.

They claim it has no part in the functioning of the internet yet.

I just don’t buy it.

Jesus is God. Next question…

Psalm 82:6

“I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High