I decided to build an argument using multiple pieces of evidence in physics and epistemology, thought i should share. i invite all forms of responses. thank you kindly

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1: The physical universe began to exist at a finite point in time, requiring a non-physical, transcendent cause existing completely outside the boundaries of space and time.

2: The initial thermodynamic state of the universe (low entropy) and its fundamental physical constants are fine-tuned to impossible mathematical precision—such as the cosmological constant calibrated to 1 part in 10^{120} and initial entropy fine-tuned to 1 part in 10^{10^{123}—ruling out unguided random chance.

3: Physical reality rigidly obeys non-material, abstract mathematical structures that occupy zero space or mass, proving that physical matter is structured by an antecedent, non-physical code.

4: Quantum mechanics demonstrates that physical states remain indeterminate probabilities until actualized in measurement, binding physical actuality directly to observation.

5: The universe possesses deep intrinsic intelligibility, operating as a coherent, rational system that is transparently readable by conscious minds rather than existing as chaotic, opaque noise.

6: Objective laws of logic (such as the Law of Non-Contradiction and the Law of Identity) are universal, invariant, and non-physical truths that cannot be generated, altered, or destroyed by blind material collisions.

7: Human thoughts possess semantic intentionality—the capacity of a mental state to point toward abstract concepts and objective meaning—a property that inert matter and mechanical neurochemistry cannot produce on their own.

8: Qualitative subjective awareness (qualia) is an irreducible feature of reality that cannot be reduced to, derived from, or explained by spatial, mechanical brain matter.

9: Under strict materialist naturalism, human cognitive faculties are shaped solely for biological survival rather than tracking metaphysical truth, making materialist reason entirely self-refuting.

10: For human rationality, mathematical proof, and scientific inquiry to be genuinely reliable, our finite cognitive faculties must be anchored in an antecedent, universal standard of absolute rationality.

11: A universe defined by fine-tuned mathematical order, intelligible laws, objective logic, and conscious thought cannot originate from a mindless, chaotic void.

Conclusion: Therefore, an eternal, non-material, supreme Consciousness (God) necessarily exists as the ultimate ontological ground uniting physical reality, mathematical law, and rational truth.

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This is nonsensical. Each of your premises must be true for the conclusion to hold. If you don’t want any comments on the premises, you probably shouldn’t use premises, or invite comments.

Were you just hoping someone would say “good job!” ?

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Right, this does not make sense at all and can you provide sources for your “premises”?

J.

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I just used premises as formatting that’s all, I explained this. All pieces of evidence in my argument are public information that csn be found with a simple search

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What are you doing? I explicitly explained how I’m using the premises as just fomatting as number down to the Last one. Stop acting like I’m doing something wrong by assuming your understanding of use of premises. Use mine as I explicitly said. Now respond to my argument.

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Definition of an argument - “Logic & Philosophy: A connected series of statements or premises intended to support or prove a logical conclusion.”

Your premises ARE your argument. That’s why I called your OP Title nonsensical. You’re inviting people to respond to your argument while ignoring your argument. Your incoherent title is defined as “nonsense.

You continue to humiliate yourself. It’s a little bit of a shame because some of your AI generated premises are nevertheless somewhat interesting.

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My guy this is my post as about an argument I made. Follow my rules please

As to the AI accusation, I’ll just say this, I’M SORRY YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO WHAT I CAN DO.

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Now let’s expose the truth, Can you name all pieces of evidence I used in my argument. Then, can you re-tell me my argument in YOUR OWN WORDS.

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Ha ha thank God for that. I’m too old to so totally humiliate myself like you repeatedly do.

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Yeah this is just pure, immature silliness. We are using the English language, and English words have specific definitions and standardized conventions. Logical discourse CAN’T be subjected to your random “rules”.

Your “rules” render your “argument” perfectly meaningless. Utterly without merit. Embarrassing.

But, you can always blame your AI for their content.

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I removed all the premises. My argument now is just formatted as number 1-11.

Now tell me all the pieces of evidence I used. The re-tell me my argument back to me in YOUR OWN WORD.

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I can’t claim this as “using my “MY OWN WORD.” (sic)

But I’ll give it a try.

For every piece of evidence that you listed, you used - “Artificial Intelligence”

How did I do?

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Again, list all the pieces of evidence in my argument.

Re-tell me my argument in YOUR OWN WORD.

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I’ll do one and then you do one, in your own words. Deal?

On my honor, 100% from memory.

Your number 1. Premise is commonly known as as the “Cosmological Argument”. Made famous in recent years by Dr William Lane Craig, in his iteration that he calls the “Kalam Cosmological Argument”

It’s expressed in a short syllogism:

Premise 1 - “Everything that begins to exist, has a cause for that beginning.”

Premise 2 - “The universe began to exist.”

Conclusion: “God created the universe”

As you know (yuck yuck), deductive arguments are meant to yield a true conclusion. The point being is that in a sound logical argument, if the premises are true, the conclusion necessarily follows as true as well.

So, to defeat a logical argument, one must show that any of all of the premises do not obtain. In other words, they are falsified. One who defends the Kalam Cosmological Argument must defend each premise in turn, and then explain the conclusion, showing why it follows logically.

It seems perfectly intuitive that everything that begins to exist has a cause for its beginning. If we set out to bake a cake, we would the cause of that cakes existence. Some have challenged Premise 1 on the grounds that we have no experience with universes coming into existence. Perhaps the universe is past eternal. How could we know?

Premise 2 - The universe began to exist.
Somewhat recent discoveries by a scientist named Hubble (they named the Hubble space telescope after him) showed that there was shift in the red spectrum of light, that changes due to Doppler effect, as the light gets further from the earth. That revealed the reality of an expanding universe.

What happens when we wind expansion in reverse? Shrinkage. All the way down to the STARTING POINT! The scientific consensus today is that the universe expanded from an infinitely dense point, in micro-seconds, with no apparent cause. That we know is scientifically true. So, Premise 2 holds, so far. Einstein had to eat a whole plate of crow.

The Conclusion.

“Before” the universe existed, (and “before” time existed), there was nothing. Hard to imagine. Not empty space - literally no thing at all. So, since there was nothing, the universe could not be caused by some material thing or process. It had to be immaterial. Immensely powerful. And personal. There was no trigger to cause the existence of the universe, other than a decree of the immensely powerful, immaterial, person who made it.

Now my challenge for you. Define “entropy”. No cheating.

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You partly right, number 1 is partly a cosmological argument and contingency (the Principle of Sufficient Reason).

But here is the this, You fell for the trap. Number one is completely unecessary in my argument. It literally doesn’t connect to anything in the rest of the argument. It just exist as the isolated first thing I Just mentioned. The reason I did this I wanted to see if people would actually registering my argument or thinking every prior thing said derives/explains the next thing but it’s not really like that. I never said my argument was sequential I said the points I’m making in my argument were.

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Yeah this makes absolutely no sense.

You offer an argument, that you claim is not composed of premises, and you make up all of your own rules, and then you claim that one part of the argument you offered isn’t actually part of the argument.

What a clever trap.

Yes I could have droned on about necessary objects (only one) and contingent objects (everything else).

So, what I would do (just to make your face turn red from shame) if we were face to face, is ask you who formulated the principle of sufficient reason? What’s his name? What book is he most famous for? What was his boldest contribution to theodicy?

You still have to define entropy, but don’t bother. I won’t believe a word of it.

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Why should I talk about who formulated the principle of Sufficient Reason? It serves no purpose as it relates to my argument. And then you want me to define entropy when I actually illustrated it and quantified it. Here is the thing, in my argument I am not naming the pieces if evidence,. I am using the pieces of evidence in my argument in different ways. But the pieces of evidences are apparent. You Haven’t re-told me my argument back to me in your own word?

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And of course, William Lane Craig.

One thing you are correct on, you are playing “ping-pong” with Artificial Intelligence and zero Scriptural references, my hat off to you brother @Pater15

Keep the faith.

J.

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Let me tell you some, you seem to not be aware that AI can’t prove God exist. Go ask AI right to prove God exist and tell me if it in the slightest meets my level. It will not, it will either tell you it can’t meet the standard of proof or give you something incoherent, insufficient, against it’s own logic.
And please copy and paste what th AI produces. Post also the prompt you used. Includes the date as well and the AI you use. Give everything I asked here on my reply or reply on actual post.

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Mr. @kv100

As Pater pointed out, take away the AI and put us in a one-on-one discussion, pros to pros, and I suspect the outcome would be quite different. He also has already demonstrated the weaknesses in your argument and the failure of your premises.

Please don’t “tag” me again.

J.