I do not believe Jehovah is an angel.
Jehovah is is the creator and sustainer of the universe, who lives eternally and will eventually resurrect most humans.
What do you want to know @paulhinkle? There is a reason why I don’t want to be in the spotlight, as you are well aware of brother.
J.
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But i thought this was while here on earth?
I know that what you believe is a system where you make scripture fit into, which reinterprets the meaning for you…
So you are ignoring that you do this, or just playing dumb.
It’s a future blessing that will happen once Jesus establishes his Kingdom on earth!
“And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”—[Revelation 21:3, 4]
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I believe in the Scriptures, which lays out God’s plan of salvation.
It is not nice to call dumb someone you disagree with.
For my part, as a servant of Jesus Christ, I obey his command:
Luke 6:28 [►]
New International Version
“Bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you”
Psalm 37:29 [►]
New International Version
“The righteous will inherit the land and dwell in it forever.”
Our Creator has promised to give us everlasting life, right here on earth, what an amazing prospect!
Do you believe Jesus was an angel?
No one said you were dumb…“playing dumb”…being intellectually unhonest
‘Angel’ means ‘messenger’. Jesus is God’s principle spokesman who delivers his revelations to mankind (Hebrews 1:1–2)
However, it is extremely important to realize that God did not send some mere angel to rescue mankind. He made the supreme sacrifice of sending his only-begotten Son, “the one he was specially fond of.”—[Proverbs 8:30]
Only Jehovah’s firstborn Son could measure up to the special needs of the situation involving sinful mankind. He is such an image of his heavenly Father in showing affection for members of the divinely produced family that he is without equal among the sons of God. Since all other intelligent creatures were brought into existence by means of him, his affection for them would certainly be abundant!
Hebrews 1:5 is putting Jesus apart from all the other angels. Jesus is the only-begotten Son of the Most High, he has a unique position among all beings. He is the most exalted of creatures.
I believe I have quoted all the Scriptures that justify my beliefs in God’s promises of restoration of the earth, as well as a Heavenly Kingdom made up of his Son and 144,000 co-rulers.
You can disagree if you want, but my faith is coherent will the entire revelation.
It’s also coherent with what the Church Fathers taught until the 4th century:
“Premillennialism held by the Early Church is called “historic premillennialism”,[8] and it was supported in the early church by Papias,[9] Irenaeus, Justin Martyr,[10] Tertullian,[11] Polycarp,[12] Pseudo-Barnabas,[13] Methodius, Lactantius,[14] Commodianus,[15] Theophilus,[16] Melito,[17] Hippolytus of Rome, Victorinus of Pettau,[18][19] Nepos, Julius Africanus, Tatian[20] and Montanus.[21]”
Yes, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was the first creation of Jehovah God—a spirit creature known as the Archangel Michael before his life as a human. They teach that he is the highest of God’s creations but is not God himself, identifying him as the “master worker” used by God to create all other things.
Key details of this doctrine include:
- Pre-human Identity: Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Michael is another name for God’s Son, both before leaving heaven and after his return
- Unique Status: They consider Jesus the only direct creation of Jehovah, making him distinct from other, later created angels.
- Scriptural Basis: The doctrine often stems from interpretations of Dan 10:13, 21 and 1 Thess 4:16, as explained in
- Incarnation: They believe Jesus ceased to be a spirit being, becoming fully human on Earth, and was later resurrected back to his spirit, angelic form.
- Rejection of Trinity: This belief is central to their rejection of the Trinity doctrine, teaching that Jesus is lower than his Father..
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, according to JW.ORG, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus is the Archangel Michael, making him the highest-ranking spirit creature (angel) created by God. They teach that Jesus existed as Michael in heaven before his human life, and resumed that identity after his resurrection.
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Key details about this belief from the JW website include:
- The Identification: They believe “Michael” is another name for Jesus Christ in his heavenly role.
- Bible Interpretation: They cite verses such as 1 Thessalonians 4:16, which mentions the Lord descending with an “archangel’s voice,” to suggest Jesus and Michael are the same.
- “Firstborn” Concept: They view Jesus as the first of God’s creations (the “firstborn of all creation”), identifying him as an archangel rather than God Almighty.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe Jesus is part of a Trinity, but rather a separate, created being subordinate to Jehovah God, as detailed by C
Yes, Archangel means “chief of the angels”. We believe that, as the archangel, Jesus leads the celestial army.
Do you not believe that Jesus is the chief of the angels?
And interestingly, Jehovah’s Witnesses are not (and have not been) the only ones to understand that the name ‘Michael’ applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return. From early Christian writings until now there have been many who have believed this.
Some Christian theologians, like John Calvin, (Calvin’s Commentaries on The Prophet Daniel , Vol. II, Baker reprint, vol. XIII, pp. 369, 370), John Gill (A Complete Body of Practical and Doctrinal Divinity, The Baptist Standard Bearer , 1987 reprint, p. 617), and Johathan Edwards (The Works of Jonathan Edwards, Vol. 2, Banner of Truth , 1979 reprint, p. 606.), postulate that the archangel was Christ himself based on Scriptural evidence.
Also note what early Christian scholar Origen wrote:
“There are certain creatures, rational and divine, which are called powers [ANGELS]; AND OF THESE CHRIST WAS THE HIGHEST and best and is called not only the wisdom of God but also His power.” - ANF 10:321-322.
“The EARLIER PROTESTANT SCHOLARS usually identified Michael with the preincarnate Christ, finding support for their view, not only in the juxtaposition of the “child” and the archangel in Rev 12, but also in the attributes ascribed to him in Dnl.” - The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia , John A. Lees (1930, Vol. III), p. 2048.
Even your fellow trinitarians say that Jesus was an angel.
Highly respected trinitarian Bible scholar, Dr. E. F. Scott, Emeritus Professor at the Union Theological Seminary, wrote:
“The author of Hebrews … thinks of [Jesus] as an angel, whom God had exalted above all others, investing him with his own majesty and calling him by the name of Son.” - p. 726, An Encyclopedia of Religion , 1945 ed.
And, again, the very trinitarian The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible tells us that at this time the Jewish expectation was that the Christ was
“a pre-existent, heavenly angelic being who, at the end of time, will appear at the side of God as judge of the world [see Acts 7:55-56].” - p. 364, Vol. 3, Abingdon Press, 1962.
“Angel of the Lord [angel of Jehovah] - occurs many times in the Old Testament, where in almost every instance it means a supernatural personage to be distinguished from Jehovah … Some feel the pre-incarnate Christ is meant.” - p. 39, Today’s Dictionary of the Bible (trinitarian), Bethany House Publ., 1982.
“Angel of the Lord. … Christ’s visible form before the incarnation.” - p. 40, Smith’s Bible Dictionary (trinitarian), Hendrickson Publ.
“ANGEL OF THE LORD, … is represented in Scripture as a heavenly being sent by God to deal with men as his personal agent and spokesman [`word’] … In the NT [which trinitarians agree explains and amplifies the OT] there is no possibility of the angel of the Lord being confused with God. … mostly when appearing to men he is recognized as a divine being, even though in human form, and is [sometimes] addressed as God” - p. 38, New Bible Dictionary , Tyndale House (trinitarian), 1984 printing.
“The Angel of the LORD… Traditional [from 2nd century A. D. (at least)] Christian interpretation has held that this `angel’ was a preincarnate manifestation of Christ as God’s Messenger-Servant. It may be …, the angel could speak on behalf of (and so be identified with) the One [Jehovah] who sent him.” - footnote for Gen. 16:7 in the highly trinitarian The NIV Study Bible by Zondervan Publishing, 1985.
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, **
**Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; **
**Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; **
**Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. **
**Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? **
**Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. **
**Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. **
**Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. **
**Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. **
**Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: **
**Heb 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; **
**Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. **
**Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? **
**Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
J.
Both the Hebrew mal·´akh´ and the Greek ag´ge·los literally mean “messenger.” When spirit messengers are indicated, the words are translated “angels,” but if the reference definitely is to humans, the rendering is “messengers.” (Gen. 16:7; 32:3; Jas. 2:25; Rev. 22:8) Whether human or angelic messengers are meant can be determined by the context.
Considering this, when Jesus was on earth, he was God’s foremost messenger. He was called the “Word” because he was God’s Spokesman:
“I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak. . . . Therefore the things I speak, just as the Father has told me them, so I speak them.” (John 12:49, 50; 14:10; 7:16, 17)
You have quoted from Hebrews in which Paul demonstrate that Jesus is higher than the angels, and I agree. Jesus is the second most powerful and important person in the universe after God the Father, Jehovah.
Jehovah is the true God of the Bible, the Creator of all things. (Revelation 4:11) The prophets Abraham and Moses worshipped him, as did Jesus. (Genesis 24:27; Exodus 15:1, 2; John 20:17) He is the God of “all the earth.”—Psalm 47:2.
So for those who stay on earth we will keep our flesh (Body)? And whom ever go to heaven will be in spirit?
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Yes that is correct.
Paul stated that “there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies.” On earth, we have bodies of flesh, but in heaven there are spirit bodies, like the ones the angels have.
sorry my friend. you sent me this
and i responed with this
and then no answer. ???
and is it true that your body will be restored when this happens? Like if i had lost a leg or arm or somrthing like that while living on earth, that when he comes i will get it back?
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