Keeping the Law

That is correct.

And His Spirit inspires and enables us to learn to obey them all.

Amen.

Christ exemplified the keeping of all of the 10 Commandments. He was a living example of what is expected of all Christians. The sacrificial laws were the only thing that changed at the Cross. Luke 23:54-56 is proof of that, and Acts 21:24 also proves it.

If Christ didn’t expect His people to obey the 10 Commandments, He wouldn’t have spent His entire ministry teaching them and obeying them. Yes, He obeyed them perfectly (John 15:10) or He could not have been the perfect sinless Lamb of God.

Since you quoted Benny I am not sure if you are in agreement with him and not with me or vica versa.
If you don’t agree with Benny could you expain what you think ‘in Christ’ means.

The law was a tutor to bring us to Christ, it is Christ who saves us, not the laws.

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Sorry SF. I didn’t put that quote under your post. The quoting and reply format here is a little unusual.

Christ did obey the Law perfectly, but it wasn’t so that we wouldn’t have to obey any of it. If that were the case, He would’ve made that clear throughout His ministry. Instead He taught the Law repeatedly as we see in Matt. 5:19-20 and 23:1-3. Look closely at verse 20 there.

The Scribes and Pharisees were teachers of the Law, but they were hypocrites - they did not keep any of it. He tells us in Matt. 23:1-3 to do as they say but not as they do - as they did not obey the Law that they taught.

Christ says in Matt. 5:20 that if our righteousness does not exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees, there is no way we will enter into His Kingdom.

Think about that.

Here we had people who were actually teaching that the 10 Commandments are to be kept, while themselves not adhering to their own teaching.

Christ said we must do “at least” what they were doing in order to enter the Kingdom.

If all the modern mainstream pastors today are teaching against the keeping of the 10 Commandments, how far does that put them from the righteousness that Christ commanded His people to aspire to? How far does that put modern mainstream Christianity?

Verse 19 there says that those who teach and obey the 10 Commandments will be considered greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven. Those who do neither will not be considered at all.

“In Christ” means we are living and walking in His ways per 1 John 2:6. Believing “in Him” is not as relevant as modern teaching makes it. Even the demons believe and shudder - that is not faith.

We walk “in Christ” and “in faith” when we live and walk as Jesus did. And how did Jesus walk? He declares in John 15:10 that He obeyed all the Commandments of the Father. And that is what He taught and what He expected of us as well.

If that were not the case, we would not have Luke 23:54-56 which shows Christ’s closest followers (the First Christians) obeying the Sabbath Commandment after His death on the Cross.

These were “Christians” who knew far better than any of us today what Christ expected of them.

We might desire to obey them, but being failable sinful men we constantly fail.
It is the intent that God is seeing, not the failures.

Well, you’re saying, in other words, that the 10 Commandments are impossible for us to keep. That’s an age-old fallacy.

First, consider which of the 10, specifically, is impossible for man to keep. Let’s discuss that when you decide.

Next, understand that absolutely anything we practice doing, over and over again, for many years, we most certainly do get better and better at.

Remember that James 3:2 addresses the fact that we will stumble from time to time in our efforts to obey them, but 1 John 2:6 makes very clear that it is the duty of the sincere Christian to strive to obey them - just as Ecclesiastes makes plain.

" Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man."
Eccl. 12:13

And it cannot be called ‘stumbling’ if we are not first intending to walk righteously. If we are just sitting in the mire of daily sin, it is not stumbling. It is dissipating, it is decaying spiritually.

God would not give us Commandments that we are completely incapable of keeping and it’s important to note that they are for our own good, not just the miserable demands of a cold, communist god.

God’s Word is true, but not everyone understands it (including yourself). Do you want to take verses (which are a much later addition to the Bible) out of context? Okay, try this: “So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.” Romans 7:4

Is that clear enough for you?

Do you really not know what “in Christ” means? => It means IN CHRIST <=

In Him!

Which covenant are you under? The old covenant or the new covenant? If you are trying to keep “the commandments”, then you are putting yourself under the old covenant and denying the new covenant, purchased with Christ’s blood.

Read this CAREFULLY and meditate on what it CLEARLY says…

“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!” Galatians 2:19-21

Verses are not a “much later addition to the Bible” my friend. Just the numbering of them. The verses were always there. It’s clear that you have a personal bias against the 10 Commandments which is leading to you ignoring every single thing that I post to help lay out the case that God’s Word makes for keeping the Commandments - which is exactly what God commanded His people to do, and Christ reiterated all of the Father’s teachings in His ministry.

Your last sentence there is getting pretty close to being rude and disrespectful. I am not conducting myself that way with you and there’s really nothing accomplished by getting personal with me besides trying to derail, and distract from, the message that I am delivering from the Bible here.

The Biblical definition of “in Christ” simply means baptized into Christ and following His teachings.(Gal. 3:27) You should really use verse references more instead of so many unsupported assertions.

The only thing that changed, as far as the Law goes, at Christ’s death on the Cross was the Law of Ordinances, the Sacrificial Laws.(Heb. 7:16; 9:10)(Col. 2:14,20)(Eph. 2:15)

If the 10 Commandments had been done away with, we would not have Luke 23:54-56. Now that I’ve posted that passage about 15 times, would you like to finally address it or just keep pretending it’s never been presented to support my case?

In case you’re not aware, I didn’t elect you to control my discussion of the topic. I have replied satisfactorily to demonstrate that, as far as the law and Christianity go, you are totally wrong. A believer is either a) under law or b) under grace. If you don’t like my answer, leave the discussion.

P.S. Your citing Luke 23:54-56 to support your argument is absurd. All those verses demonstrate is that those women were OT law-abiding Jews.

Why don’t you try understanding what Romans 6:14 says: " For sin shall no longer be your master, because → you are not under the law , but under grace." ← Is that too difficult a concept for you? Or are you “blind”?

I can sin, if I want, but I can’t avoid the consequences. For example, if I rob a bank, I go to prison.

I am leaving this pointless discussion with these words from Paul’s letter to the Christians in Rome. " So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us [the law], WE HAVE BEEN RELEASED FROM THE LAW so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.* That is as plain as it gets!!!

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When the books of the Bible were originally written, they did not contain chapter or verse references. The Bible was divided into chapters and verses to help us find Scriptures more quickly and easily. It is much easier to find “John chapter 3, verse 16” than it is to find “for God so loved the world…” In a few places, chapter breaks are poorly placed and as a result divide content that should flow together. Overall, though, the chapter and verse divisions are very helpful.

The chapter divisions commonly used today were developed by Stephen Langton, an Archbishop of Canterbury. Langton put the modern chapter divisions into place in around A.D. 1227. The Wycliffe English Bible of 1382 was the first Bible to use this chapter pattern. Since the Wycliffe Bible, nearly all Bible translations have followed Langton’s chapter divisions.

The Hebrew Old Testament was divided into verses by a Jewish rabbi by the name of Nathan in A.D. 1448. Robert Estienne, who was also known as Stephanus, was the first to divide the New Testament into standard numbered verses, in 1555. Stephanus essentially used Nathan’s verse divisions for the Old Testament. Since that time, beginning with the Geneva Bible, the chapter and verse divisions employed by Stephanus have been accepted into nearly all the Bible versions. source: GotQuestions.org

Like I say, you can sin if you want, but if you rob a bank, you’ll go to prison for a long time.

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Romans 10:4, “For Christ is the end of the law, with the result that there is righteousness for everyone who believes.”

End of debate…

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That’s pretty silly indeed. The people in that passage (Luke 23:54-56) were the First Christians. They walked along side Christ and learned, from His physical mouth to their physical ears, what He intended for all Christians. They were practicing Christianity (the following of the teachings of Jesus Christ) not Judaism.

Do you know how to quote a post? It’d make it easier for those you address to know specifically what you’re responding to.