Limited atonement-is it biblical?

QUESTION - Limited atonement-is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org

ANSWER - Please note - since this article is in our “What is Calvinism?” series, it presents a full or 5-point view of Calvinism. We believe 5-point or 4-point Calvinism is an issue on which Christians can “agree to disagree.” So, while this article may strongly argue for 5-point Calvinism, we are in no sense disparaging the faith or integrity of those who hold to 4-point Calvinism. In fact, many of our writers are 4-point Calvinists. Please also read our article on arguments against limited atonement. And, for a balanced perspective on the entire issue, please see our article on unlimited atonement.

“Limited atonement” is a term that is used to summarize what the Bible teaches about the purpose for Christ’s death on the cross and what His life, death and resurrection accomplished. It is the third letter of the acronym TULIP, which is commonly used to explain what are known as the five points of Calvinism, also known as the doctrines of grace. The doctrine of limited atonement is clearly the most controversial and maybe even the most misunderstood of all the doctrines of grace. Because the name can confuse people and cause them to have wrong ideas about what is meant, some people prefer to use terms like “particular redemption,” “definite redemption,” “actual atonement,” or “intentional atonement.” These terms correctly focus on the fact that the Bible reveals Jesus’ death on the cross was intentional and had a definite purpose that it succeeded in accomplishing. Yet, like all of the doctrines of grace, what is important is not the name that is assigned to the doctrine but how accurately the doctrine summarizes what the Bible teaches about the nature and purpose of Jesus’ sacrificial death on the cross.

The doctrine of limited atonement affirms that the Bible teaches Christ’s atoning work on the cross was done with a definite purpose in mind—to redeem for God people from every tribe, tongue and nation (Revelation 5:9). Jesus died, according to Matthew 1:21, to “save His people from their sins.” This truth is seen in many passages throughout Scripture. In John 10:15, we see that He lays “down His life for the sheep.” Who are the sheep? They are the people chosen by God from before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4). These are the same ones Jesus said were given to Him by the Father in order that He would fulfill the Father’s will by losing none of them and by raising all of them up in the last day (John 6:37-40). The truth that Jesus came for this specific reason is seen in both the Old and New Testaments. One of the greatest passages on the atonement in the Old Testament is Isaiah 53. In this passage alone, we see that He was “stricken for the transgression of God’s people” (Isaiah 53:8); that He would “justify many” because “He shall bear their iniquities” (Isaiah 53:11); and that He indeed “bore the sin of many” (Isaiah 53:12). These verses and many others talk about an atonement that was specific in whom it covered (God’s people), was substitutionary in nature (He actually bore their sins on the cross), and actually accomplished what God intended it to do (justify many). Clearly, here is a picture of an intentional, definite atonement. Christ died not simply to make justification a possibility but to actually justify those He died for. He died to save them, not to make them savable.

The doctrine of limited atonement also recognizes that the Bible teaches Jesus’ death on the cross was a substitutionary atonement for sins. Many theologians use the word “vicarious” to describe Christ’s atonement. This word means “acting on behalf of” or “representing another” and is used to describe “something performed or suffered by one person with the results accruing to the benefit or advantage of another.” The vicarious atonement of Christ means He was acting as a representative for a specific group of people (the elect) who would receive a direct benefit (salvation) as the result of His death. This concept is clearly seen in 2 Corinthians 5:21: “He (God the Father) made Him (Christ) who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” If Jesus actually stood in my place and bore my sin on the cross as the Bible teaches, then I can never be punished for that sin. In order for Christ’s atonement to truly be a substitutionary or vicarious atonement, then it must actually secure a real salvation for all for whom Christ died. If the atonement only makes salvation a possibility, then it cannot be a vicarious atonement. If Christ acted as a real and true substitute for those for whom He died, then all for whom He died will be saved. To say that Christ died a vicarious death in the place of all sinners but that not all sinners will be saved is a contradiction.

J.

Greek: kai autos hilasmos estin (3SPAI) peri ton hamartion hemon, ou peri ton hemeteron de monon alla kai peri holou tou kosmou.

Amplified: And He [that same Jesus Himself] is the propitiation (the atoning sacrifice) for our sins, and not for ours alone but also for [the sins of] the whole world. (Lockman)

KJV: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

ESV: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

KJV: My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

NIV: He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

NLT: He is the sacrifice for our sins. He takes away not only our sins but the sins of all the world.

Phillips: the one who made personal atonement for our sins (and for those of the rest of the world as well).

Wuest: And He himself is an expiatory satisfaction for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the whole world.(Wuest)

Young’s Literal: and he – he is a propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world

He Himself is: 1Jn 1:7 1Jn 4:10 Ro 3:25-26 Heb 2:17-18 1Pe 2:24 3:18
for the: 1Jn 4:14 5:19 Jn 1:29 4:42 11:51,52 2Co 5:18-21 Rev 12:9

1 John 1:7+ but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son (present tense) cleanses us from all sin.

1 John 4:10+ In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation (hilasmos) for our sins.

Romans 3:25-26+ whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation (hilasterion) in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Hebrews 9:5+ and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat (“the propitiatory place” - hilasterion); but of these things we cannot now speak in detail.

Exodus 25:17+ “You shall make a mercy seat (Hebrew = kapporet from kapar - verb meaning to cover; Lxx = hilasterion) of pure gold, two and a half cubits long and one and a half cubits wide.

Hebrews 2:17-18+ Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation (hilaskomai) for the sins of the people. 18 For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.

Luke 18:13+ But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful (be propitious - hilaskomai) to me, the sinner!’

Hebrews 9:14+ how much more will the blood of Christ, Who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

J.

Related Resources:

Why would the aroma of a sacrifice be important to God?
Dictionary of Biblical Imagery discussion of imagery associated with Atonement.
Mercy Seat, Propitiation (2435) hilasterion
What is the mercy seat? | GotQuestions.org
Make propitiation (be merciful) (2433) hilaskomai
Propitiation - See Atonement - Baker’s Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology
Bridgeway Bible Dictionary Propitiation
Baker Evangelical Dictionary Propitiation
Charles Buck Dictionary Propitiation
Easton’s Bible Dictionary Propitiation
Fausset Bible Dictionary Propitiation
Holman Bible Dictionary Expiation, Propitiation Propitiation
Hastings’ Dictionary of the Bible Propitiation
Hastings’ Dictionary of the NT Propitiation (2) Propitiation
Hawker’s Poor Man’s Dictionary Propitiation
Watson’s Theological Dictionary Propitiation
International Standard Bible Encyclopedia Propitiation
McClintock and Strong’s Bible Encyclopedia Propitiation

J.

COMMENTS ON EXTENT OF
ATONEMENT

Gotquestions on extent of atonement - Unless one is a universalist and believes that everyone will ultimately be saved, a Christian must hold to some form of a limited atonement. The key area of disagreement is over who limits that atonement—God or man? Those wishing to hold to a God-limited atonement must answer the biblical arguments put forth by those holding to a human-limited atonement and also explain how God can be described in Scripture as being all-loving and yet not have His Son die for everyone.

Henry Morris holds to the following view on the atonement "The value of Christ’s blood was infinite, sufficient to cover all the sins of all the men and women of every age of history. The fact that it is efficacious unto eternal salvation only for the elect (a term that includes all and only those who believe on Him) is no argument that its value was thereby limited. (Defender’s Study Bible Notes)

W A Criswell who holds to unlimited atonement writes that "The universal extent of the atonement of Christ is nowhere clearer than here (1Jn 2:2, cf. John 1:29), but this does not guarantee that everyone’s sin is automatically forgiven. Christ’s work applies only to those who believe in Him (cf. 1Jn 4:15; John 5:24).

ESV Study Bible - For the sins of the whole world does not mean that every person will be saved, for John is clear that forgiveness of sins comes only to those who repent and believe the gospel (see 2:4, 23; 3:10; 5:12; cf. John 3:18; 5:24). But Jesus’ sacrifice is offered and made available to everyone in “the whole world,” not just to John and his current readers.

Bob Utley on “for our sins; and not ours only, but also for those of the whole world” This refers to unlimited atonement (cf. 4:14; John 1:29; 3:16, 17; Rom. 5:18; Titus 2:11; Heb. 2:9; 7:25). Jesus died for the sin and sins of the whole world (cf. Gen. 3:15). However, humans must respond and continue to respond by faith, repentance, obedience and perseverance!

I Howard Marshall - (see The Epistles of John - Page 119) John rules out the thought that the death of Jesus is of limited efficacy; the possibility of forgiveness is cosmic and universal. As usual, Charles Wesley has caught the thought admirably:

  The world He suffered to redeem;
  For all He hath the atonement made;
  For those that will not come to Him
  The ransom of His life was paid.

Middletown Bible Church has an article in support of unlimited atonement. (Reformed Theology, Limited Atonement) writing that "Other notable conservative evangelicals (John MacArthur [Doctrine of Actual Atonement; The Atonement-Real or Potential], John Piper [Limited Atonement he refers to as "Definite Atonement’], Wayne Grudem [Limited Atonement he refers to as “Particular Redemption” go to page 517 Systematic Theology) hold to what is called limited atonement. Clearly this is a controversial, potentially divisive doctrine. I have studied this topic and must confess that I have previously favored the unlimited atonement view, but I can see the logic of the arguments posited to support the limited atonement view. With that said, I am still uncertain but further discussion is beyond the scope of this short note.

Dr Wayne Grudem (who favors limited atonement) gives us a balanced summary of the two views of the extent of atonement (consult his book for the pros and cons of both views)

One of the differences between Reformed theologians and other Catholic and Protestant theologians has been the question of the extent of the atonement. The question may be put this way: when Christ died on the cross, did he pay for the sins of the entire human race or only for the sins of those who he knew would ultimately be saved? Non-Reformed people argue that the gospel offer in Scripture is repeatedly made to all people, and for this offer to be genuine, the payment for sins must have already been made and must be actually available for all people. They also say that if the people whose sins Christ paid for are limited, then the free offer of the gospel also is limited, and the offer of the gospel cannot be made to all mankind without exception. On the other hand, Reformed people argue that if Christ’s death actually paid for the sins of every person who ever lived, then there is no penalty left for anyone to pay, and it necessarily follows that all people will be saved, without exception (Systematic Theology - scroll down to page 517)

While the Doctrine of the Atonement (limited or unlimited) will likely continue to be disputed among Biblically sound believers (and especially theologians) on both sides until Jesus returns, Grudem does us a service by emphasizing the points regarding the Atonement on which we can all agree…

  1. Not all will be saved.

  2. A free offer of the Gospel can rightly be made to every person ever born. It is completely true that “whoever will” may come to Christ for salvation, and no one who comes to Him will be turned away. This free offer of the Gospel is extended in good faith to every person.

  3. All agree that Christ’s death in itself, because He is the infinite Son of God, has infinite merit and is in itself sufficient to pay the penalty of the sins of as many or as few as the Father and the Son decreed. The question is not about the intrinsic merits of Christ’s sufferings and death, but about the number of people for whom the Father and the Son thought Christ’s death to be sufficient payment at the time Christ died. (Systematic Theology page 520)

J.

1Jn_2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Limited atonement is both simple and complicated.

Jesus’s righteousness is infinite, there is no limit to it or to his holiness, but the complication is that Jesus’s righteousness is not applied to those who have not repented.so atonement is potentially unlimited but in practise is limited to those who have accepted Jesus.

The unsaved does not have their sins forgiven.

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@Who-me

I think you’ve correctly distinguished between the infinite worth of Christ’s sacrifice and its application, but I don’t think you’ve accurately represented the Reformed doctrine of limited atonement.

Reformed theology has never taught that Christ’s sacrifice is limited in value. Quite the opposite. Because Christ is the infinite God-man, His atoning work is of infinite worth and would be sufficient to save every person who has ever lived. The question is not about the value of the atonement but about its design and intent.

You wrote that “the atonement is potentially unlimited but in practice is limited to those who have accepted Jesus.” That is where I think the issue lies. Scripture consistently speaks of Christ’s death as actually accomplishing redemption, not merely making it possible. Jesus said, “The Son of Man came…to give His life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). He did not merely make redemption possible. He secured it. Likewise, Hebrews 9:12 says He “obtained eternal redemption,” not that He made eternal redemption available if people later met a condition.

If Christ actually bore God’s wrath for every person’s sins, then on what basis are unbelievers still condemned? Has God punished those sins twice, once in Christ and again in the unbeliever? Reformed theology argues that Christ’s atonement actually satisfied divine justice for those whom He came to save. It was not merely a potential payment awaiting human acceptance.

I also agree that the unsaved do not have forgiveness of sins. The question is why. Is it because Christ never intended to bear their guilt in the same covenantal sense as His sheep, or because He fully paid for their sins but that payment remains unapplied? The Reformed position is that Christ died with a definite purpose to save His people. As Jesus says, “I lay down My life for the sheep” (John 10:15), and the angel announced, “He will save His people from their sins” (Matt. 1:21). His death did not merely make salvation possible. It actually secured the salvation of those the Father had given Him.

So I would agree that the atonement is infinite in value, but I would hesitate to describe it as merely “potentially unlimited.” The New Testament presents the cross as an effective, accomplished redemption for Christ’s people rather than a universal provision that becomes effective only through human acceptance.

Would you agree?

J.

See, this is not true. This is seen through the lens of Calvinism. God elects some to be saved, so Christ comes and dies for those preselected. Which goes against all these verses.

Joshua 24:15 – “And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve… but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

Deuteronomy 30:19 – “I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.”

Isaiah 1:18 – “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow.”

Ezekiel 18:30–32 – “Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin… for why will ye die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.”

New Testament

John 3:16 – “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

John 1:12 – “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.”

John 7:37 – “If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.”

Revelation 3:20 – “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”

Revelation 22:17 – “And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”

Romans 10:9–10 – “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”

Romans 10:13 – “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

2 Peter 3:9 – “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

1 Timothy 2:3–4 – “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”

Acts 16:30–31 – “And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”

Matthew 11:28 – “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”

Acts 17:30 – “And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.”

Galatians 6:7–8 – “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”

I know you mean well. I know you believe in Election. But again, “2 Corinthians 5:21: “He (God the Father) made Him (Christ) who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” If Jesus actually stood in my place and bore my sin on the cross as the Bible teaches, then I can never be punished for that sin.” Of course. So that we? You infer means only the Elected. If not, then Christ failed. Well, if only those elected are saved, then Christ failed. Why? He wants ALL. So if this is true, and He elected all, whom the Word says He wants, and just one person goes to hell, Jesus has failed. If we have a choice, although Jesus wants ALL, and one chooses not to accept and goes to hell, then they go based on their own deeds and choices. As the Word declares.
Peter

Respectfully, that’s an assertion, not an argument. Saying, “that’s Calvinism,” doesn’t demonstrate that the interpretation is wrong. Show me from the context, the grammar, and Paul’s flow of thought where the interpretation fails, and I’ll gladly reconsider. The goal should be to let the text shape our theology, not our theology shape the text.

Shalom.

J.

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So we are just going to ignore all this? God elects some to be saved, so Christ comes and dies for those preselected. Which goes against all these verses.

Joshua 24:15 – “And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve… but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

Deuteronomy 30:19 – “I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.”

Isaiah 1:18 – “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow.”

Ezekiel 18:30–32 – “Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin… for why will ye die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.”

New Testament

John 3:16 – “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

John 1:12 – “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.”

John 7:37 – “If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.”

Revelation 3:20 – “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”

Revelation 22:17 – “And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”

Romans 10:9–10 – “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”

Romans 10:13 – “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

2 Peter 3:9 – “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

1 Timothy 2:3–4 – “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”

Acts 16:30–31 – “And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”

Matthew 11:28 – “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”

Acts 17:30 – “And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.”

Galatians 6:7–8 – “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”

I know you mean well. I know you believe in Election. But again, “2 Corinthians 5:21: “He (God the Father) made Him (Christ) who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” If Jesus actually stood in my place and bore my sin on the cross as the Bible teaches, then I can never be punished for that sin.” Of course. So that we? You infer means only the Elected. If not, then Christ failed. Well, if only those elected are saved, then Christ failed. Why? He wants ALL. So if this is true, and He elected all, whom the Word says He wants, and just one person goes to hell, Jesus has failed. If we have a choice, although Jesus wants ALL, and one chooses not to accept and goes to hell, then they go based on their own deeds and choices. As the Word declares.
Peter

Peter, you’re not refuting Calvinism. You’re simply listing passages that command all people to repent and believe, which every Reformed Christian affirms. That’s a straw man. The question isn’t whether God genuinely calls all people to repent, but whether Scripture also teaches that God effectually grants faith to His elect (e.g. John 6:37, 44; Acts 13:48; Romans 8:29–30; Ephesians 1:4–5; Philippians 1:29). Until you engage those texts in their context instead of assuming election negates the universal call, you’re arguing against a position Calvinism doesn’t hold.

Here is Corey and this is my Sunday brother.

Shalom.

J.

As Johyn3:18 says those who have not believed in Jesus are condemned already.

Jesus’s atonement covers ALL sins, past, present and future, but in practical terms only those who have accepted Jesus are forgiven, in this way the atonement is limited.

John 3:18 says unbelievers are condemned because they have not believed, not because Christ already atoned for their sins. If Jesus actually bore the penalty for every person’s sins without exception, then on what basis can God justly condemn anyone? Unbelief is not a separate category outside of sin. It is itself a sin (John 16:9). If Christ paid for all the sins of every individual, including the sin of unbelief, then there is nothing left to condemn them for.

The Bible presents the atonement as accomplishing redemption, reconciliation, and forgiveness, not merely making them possible (Isa. 53:11; Matt. 1:21; John 10:11, 15; Eph. 1:7; Heb. 9:12). The issue isn’t whether the atonement is “limited” by our acceptance. The issue is whether Christ’s death actually secured the salvation of His people or merely created the possibility of salvation. Scripture consistently presents it as an accomplished redemption for those the Father gave to the Son.

Exactly whom Jesus died for is a point of theological disagreement among evangelical Bible believers. Some Christians believe that Jesus died only for the elect; this is the doctrine of limited atonement, the L in Calvinism’s TULIP. Other Christians believe that Jesus died for everyone who has or ever will live; this is the doctrine of unlimited atonement, held by Arminians and most four-point Calvinists, or Amyraldians.

Limited atonement, sometimes called particular redemption, is based on the doctrine of election or predestination (Romans 8:30, 33; Titus 1:1). Since only the elect of God will be saved, the reasoning goes, Jesus must have died only for them. Otherwise, Jesus’ death “failed” those who are not elect. If Jesus died for everyone, then hell will be full of people for whom Jesus died—was His atonement insufficient? If Jesus died only for the elect, then His atonement perfectly accomplished its goal. Every person for whom Jesus died will be in heaven.

Unlimited atonement, on the other hand, says that Jesus died for everyone but that only those who respond in faith will reap the benefits of His sacrifice. In other words, Jesus’ death was sufficient for all, but only effectual for some (those who have faith). If Jesus did not die for everyone, the reasoning goes, then the offer of salvation is empty, because the non-elect cannot be saved. The teaching of unlimited atonement is based on verses such as 1 John 2:2, “He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.”

Precise theological thinking is a good thing. We are called to be students of the Word (2 Timothy 2:15). But on this point, it seems that most people follow a theological system to get to their answer, rather than the clear Word of God. If it were not for theological systems (namely, Calvinism and Arminianism), the question of whom Jesus died for would probably never come up—but it has come up! One side says that, if Christ did not die for all, then there can be no genuine offer of salvation. The other side says that, if Christ died for some who will never be saved, then His death in some sense fails to accomplish its purpose. Either way, there seems to be an attack upon God’s character or Christ’s work—either God’s love is limited or Jesus’ power is limited. This presents an unnecessary dilemma and creates a tension where none need exist. We know that God’s love is infinite (Psalm 107:1) and that Christ’s power is infinite (Colossians 1:16–17). The dilemma is a false one of our own making.

In short, the offer of salvation is universal—to all who will believe (Romans 10:11, 13). We also know that, regardless of how broad Christ’s atonement is, it is limited in some respect—it is effective only for those who believe (John 3:18).

John 10 provides more insight into the issue of whom Jesus died for. In that passage we see that Christ died for His sheep (John 10:11, 15). Also, all who are His sheep will come to Him (verses 4 and 27), and they are kept secure in Christ (verses 28–30). However, when we share the gospel, we don’t try to “pre-screen” the hearers of the message. We don’t delve into who are the elect or for whom Jesus may or may not have died. Those discussions would distract from the goal of evangelism. When presenting the gospel, we simply say, “Jesus died for your sin, and He rose again from the dead. His death is sufficient to pay for your sins if you will put your faith in Him.” This is a biblically accurate statement, and it avoids trying to get too specific. The preaching of the apostles in the New Testament doesn’t try to cut it more finely than that.

For Whom Did Christ Die? (Selected Scriptures)

Think this is what you are saying Who-me.

J.

I said :-’ Jesus’s atonement covers ALL sins, past, present and future, but in practical terms only those who have accepted Jesus are forgiven, in this way the atonement is limited.’

Put it another way. I could invite everybody to a party as rsvp only, and only those who rsvp are admitted.

Biblically, the ark was big enough to carry every human who would board, yet only 8 people did board.

If one does not accept that their sins are forgiven, are their sins forgiven if they end in hell!

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You cannot have it both ways. That is the problem I do not believe you are seeing. If not free will, then no choice. If God elects some but not others, leaving out totally a choice for us to make, no one can repent. No one can be saved or lost other than God commanding it. Therefore, none of the passages I posted make any sense. If?

Only? Then the whole thing is pointless. Everything. Perhaps there is another way to read the passages you posted. Unlike you, I will discuss them.

“All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.”

Your view is that the giving comes first as an act of divine election, which causes the coming. My reading and view is that human faith/choice comes first (or is foreseen), and God “gives” or seals those who choose Jesus.

You are assuming that “gives” refers to a secret, unconditional election before time. But if you keep reading down to John 6:45, Jesus explains who the Father gives and draws.

“It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me.”

Who are the ones the Father gives to Jesus? The ones who responded to God’s teaching, listened, and learned. God doesn’t blindly pluck people out of a hat; He gives those who are receptive to His revelation.

" And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed [or ordained] to eternal life believed."

You cannot understand verse 48 without looking two verses prior. Paul and Barnabas are speaking to Jewish leaders who rejected the gospel:

“It was necessary that the word of God be spoken first to you. Since you thrust it aside and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.” Acts 13:46

If the Jews’ rejection was their own choice (“you judge yourselves”), then the Gentiles’ reception was also a choice in response to the Gospel, not a cold decree forced upon them.

The Greek Word Tassō Means “Disposed” or “Arranged,” Not Predestined. The Greek word translated as “appointed” or “ordained” here is τεταγμένοι (tetagmenoi), derived from the verb tassō. In Ancient Greek, tassō is a military term meaning to arrange, align, position, or dispose (like soldiers lining up for battle).

The New Testament has specific words for unconditional election or predestination. Like eklegomai (to elect/choose) or proorizo (to predestine). Luke explicitly chooses NOT to use those words here.

A valid translation of tassō in this context is: “As many as were disposed [or set toward] eternal life believed.” Luke isn’t saying God picked them out before time. He is describing the mental and spiritual attitude of the listeners: those whose hearts were open, ready, and arranged to receive the truth of eternal life responded by believing.

Continued…

“For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.”

Notice the sequence Paul uses: “For those whom he foreknew he also predestined…”

You say “Foreknew” means God chose to love certain people beforehand (fore-loved).

However, in standard Greek usage, foreknowledge (proginōskō) means to know beforehand. God, existing outside of time, foreknows who will respond in faith to the Gospel 1 Peter 1:1–2.

Because God foreknows their faith, He then predestines their destination. Foreknowledge is the foundation; predestination is the result. God isn’t forcing the choice. He simply knows the choice before it happens.

Read the text carefully: What are they predestined to?

It does not say: “predestined to believe.”

It does not say: “predestined to be saved.”

It says: “predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son.”

Predestination here isn’t about God deciding who gets into Heaven vs. Hell. It’s about God deciding the destiny of believers. God determined beforehand that everyone who puts their trust in Christ will ultimately end up transformed into the likeness of Jesus. The outcome for believers is locked in, not the initial choice to believe.

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.” Ephesians 1:3-6

When you unpack the grammar, the whole key to this passage lies in those two little words: " in Him."

You assume God chose specific individuals out of a hat before creation. But Paul says God chose us IN HIM. Jesus Christ is the ultimate “Chosen One” of God Isaiah 42:1, 1 Peter 2:4. Before creation, God chose Christ and decided that anyone united to Him would share in His blessings.

God didn’t pre-select who would enter Christ; He pre-selected what happens to those who are in Christ. You enter the group by faith, and once you are “in Him,” you inherit everything promised to the Chosen One.

" For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake…"

You seem to be reading this as " granted to you to believe" and conclude: See? Faith is a special gift given strictly to the elect. God grants belief to some and withholds it from others. However, looking at the original Greek, the sentence structure, and Paul’s overarching point reveals that Paul isn’t talking about God secretly giving faith to a select few.

You focus on the word “believe,” but Paul’s main point in this sentence is actually suffering. The Philippians were facing severe persecution and feeling discouraged. Paul is comforting them by reframing their hardships:

“You already know believing in Christ is a privilege—now realize that suffering for Him is a privilege too!”

Paul uses “believing” as the baseline truth his readers already celebrate, so he can elevate “suffering” to that same noble status. He is encouraging persecuted Christians, not outlining a theological decree on how God distributes faith. If you insist that “granted to believe” means God unconditionally forces faith onto individuals, to be consistent, you must apply the same logic to the second half of the verse: “granted to suffer.”

Faith is indeed a gift. Because God graciously gives us the truth, the Gospel, the Holy Spirit’s conviction, and the capacity to respond. Without God’s grace, we wouldn’t even have the opportunity or revelation to believe. In that broad sense, believing is entirely “granted by grace.”

God grants the privilege and ability to believe through the Gospel, but the individual still exercises that faith. To “grant” the privilege of believing to a group doesn’t mean God forces specific individuals to believe while depriving everyone else of the chance.

Hope this helps to bring my understanding of the Word, using the passages you pointed out.

With respect, Shalom,
Peter

So, if I’m understanding you correctly, your view is that the terms “all,” “everyone,” and “the many” refer to people/sinners who are only potentially saved. Is that an accurate representation of your position?

Allow me to rephrase my question. Since Jesus died for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2, περὶ ὅλου τοῦ κόσμου), are you saying that the whole world consists of saved sinners?

If your answer is no, then the atonement, by itself, does not mean every person’s sins are actually forgiven.Yes? The Greek noun ἱλασμός (hilasmos, “propitiation”) speaks of Christ’s atoning sacrifice, but Scripture consistently teaches that its saving benefits are received through faith (Acts 10:43, John 3:36). So my question remains, if those who die in unbelief are judged for their sins, in what sense can you say those sins were already forgiven?

J.

No. "Whoever, Everyone, all, etc, are not potentially saved. "Whoever, Everyone, all, etc, means that. Either or. black or white. Saved or not. There is no potentially saved. I see the Word as clear.

" For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."

Let’s say 8,117,059,282 people on planet earth. “Whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.” And “Whoever does not believe is condemned already.”

Out of those 8,117,059,282 people on planet earth. ALL have an opportunity to obey.

" And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him," Hebrews 5:9

Out of those 8,117,059,282 people on planet earth. Whosoever can hear and believe or reject.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.” John 5:24

Out of those 8,117,059,282 people on planet earth. Jesus is waiting for whom? All. Why? He does not want "Any" to perish.

“The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9

No, potentially saved sinners. Either or. Remember, out of all those 8,117,059,282 people on planet earth. “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:23. Only those who CHOOSE to hear the truth are set free. Those who accept Jesus as the Way. So not all, either or.

It means every person’s sin CAN BE forgiven. Not automatically. "Scripture consistently teaches that its saving benefits are received through faith (Acts 10:43, John 3:36)." Exactly.

I never said they were. Everyone can hear and respond. Not everyone will. Sadly, Many will not. Therefore, God’s Judgement is fair.

“For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.” Matthew 16:27

If election is true, then this is not just. Therefore, since we serve a just and holy God, He does not force. He allows any who choose. Love forced is not love.
Peter

I think you’re overlooking the Greek grammar. The verb ἐχαρίσθη (“it has been graciously granted”) governs both infinitives: τὸ… πιστεύειν (“to believe”) and τὸ… πάσχειν (“to suffer”). Paul doesn’t merely use believing as a backdrop to highlight suffering. Grammatically, he says both believing and suffering have been graciously granted by God.

Not only to believe on him; that they did not only believe Christ, but believe on him, was not from any power of their own, Jhn_6:37,44, but of God’s free gift, Eph_2:8, as they had an instance amongst them in Lydia, Act_16:14; unto her and others was this victorious grace of faith freely given by the hearing of the word, which was not unto many others that heard, Mat_13:11 2Th_3:2 Tit_1:1; and as the grace itself was given, so was the exercise of it.

For unto you it is given — Εχαρισθη, it is granted as a favour, in the behalf of Christ, on account of his merits and intercession, and for the promotion of his cause and interest, not only to believe on him, (faith itself, as well as Christ and his truth, the objects of it, being the free gift of God,) but also to suffer for his sake, This, as well as your faith, and the blessings which you receive by faith, is granted you as a special token of God’s love to you, and of your being in the way of salvation.

The issue isn’t whether suffering is the main pastoral emphasis. It is. The question is what Paul actually says. He explicitly states that believing has been granted (ἐχαρίσθη) to the Philippians. Any interpretation must account for that before moving to the application.

Daniel Wallace (Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics) discusses articular infinitives as substantival infinitives functioning as nouns. In Philippians 1:29, both τὸ… πιστεύειν and τὸ… πάσχειν are parallel substantival infinitives, making them coordinate objects of ἐχαρίσθη. Syntactically, there is no basis for separating them.

Faith is God’s gift on the behalf of Christ; the ability and disposition to believe are from God.

Php 1:29 For ὅτι it has been granted ἐχαρίσθη to you ὑμῖν - τὸ concerning ὑπὲρ Christ, Χριστοῦ, not οὐ only μόνον - τὸ to believe πιστεύειν in εἰς Him αὐτὸν but ἀλλὰ also καὶ - τὸ to suffer πάσχειν, concerning ὑπὲρ Him, αὐτοῦ

You are attempting to divorce the one from the other when Syntactically there’s no need to.

In passages like Philippians 1:29, where tō pisteuein (“to believe”) and to paschein (“to suffer”) appear alongside the main verb echaristhē (“it has been granted”) these articular infinitives act as substantive elements sharing the same syntactical slot.

J
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Amazing reading from the Scriptures.

J.