Since it’s right around to corner, does anyone who is familiar with Maundy Thursday, the day during Holy Week which commemorates the last supper of the Messiah with the apostles, know which part of Thursday that this took place - during the night time of the first half of Thursday, or during the daytime of the second half of Thursday?
riverbank,
Any particular reason for posting and not weighing in on the question?
Sorry , I didn’t understand it correctly, pardon me.
The Last Supper was held at night on the first part of Thursday. The supper began on Thursday night (just after Wednesday’s sunset) because the Jewish day started at sunset. This period includes the washing of the feet and the actual dinner, followed by the late-night prayer and the arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane.
I hope I understand it right this time, tell me if I am wrong. God bless you. Have a good day in the lord.
Yes, you understand it perfectly. Thanks for the response. That would mean that He was in custody the rest of Thursday night, all Thursday daytime, and Fridy night and part of the morning. Will see what others think.
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Not everyone believes that it was a Friday that our Lord was crucified. It’s difficult to fit 3 days and 3 nights into the time before He was resurrected on Sunday. The other consideration is that Jewish days begin at sunset and not at the sunrise. Then there is the Sabbath which normally begins every Friday evening, but there are other Sabbaths or Holy days in the picture as well. Not all of these Holy days are on a Saturday. Whether one believes in a Friday crucifixion or a Thursday crucifixion doesn’t really matter. I share this because it answers questions and it’s an interesting proposition.
Bestill,
You’ve posted in the wrong topic since it has nothing to do with this one.
You’re right. Sorry. I’m not sure how to delete it.
Bestill,
No problem. As for deleting it, what you can do is edit it, i.e., erasing it and typing in “Deleted”. But if you’re still interested in the issue you could first copy it and paste it into a new topic for discussion.
Well, if you’re asking because you don’t know or want another perspective, there is a great Wikipedia Article on Maundy Thursday. Someone else here may find it helpfull as well.
If you are fishing for a catalist to a point you wish to make, sorry, I can’t help you, I’m not familure with a timeline on it. Maundy Thursday is also called Thursday of Mysteries, perhaps in part for this reason?
d-o.o-b,
re: “Well, if you’re asking because you don’t know…”
I don’t.
re: “…or want another perspective…”
Not really. I just would like to know when the supper actually took place.
re: “…there is a great Wikipedia Article on Maundy Thursday.”
Wow, did you read the whole article, including the references?
The answer may have been there and I’m simply not sharp enough to have dug it out.
re: “If you are fishing for a catalist to a point you wish to make…”
I may have been when I first started the topic in the beginning, although I think a better phase than “fishing for a catalist to a point you wish to make” might be “looking for facts to help” when discussing an issue in a different topic, with the different topic being the problem with a Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection. However, now that I think about it, I’m not sure how it might be useful.
I myself have never come across any indication of a specific time.
LOL. Honestly, no, I did not check out all the refrences cited. In the main article I saw nothing on a specific time there however. I did find this…
Hope that helps.
Hmm, yes, I think I could have worded it better also. In retrospect it does sound contentious. My apologies. That was not my intention. Reguardless, I still have about as much clue as to an exact time, so I’m still at a loss to help further.
d-o.o-b,
re: “Last Supper-Wikipedia…Hope that helps.”
Only so far as suggesting that it wasn’t held on the 13th, i.e., Thursday.
d-o.o-b,
re: “Hmm, yes, I think I could have worded it better also. In retrospect it does sound contentious. My apologies. That was not my intention.”
Thanks, but not necessary, especially since you say it wasn’t intentional.
I don’t think so. The first sentence says “All Gospels agree that Jesus held a Last Supper with his disciples pryor to dying on a Friday”. I think the uncertainty is as to when Passover started.
TIMELINE
Thursday = Last Supper.
Friday = Crucifiction
Saturday = In tomb
While not really germane to this topic (I don’t think), but since Passover has been mentioned, did the midnight passing over of the Isrealites homes at midnight - for which I assume the Passover got it’s name - take place on the 14th or did it take place on the 15th?
Well, I would say that depends…
A Jewish day starts at sundown. So assuming the Last Supper took place before the sundown, Friday would have been spent in prepreations for Passover, which would have been during the crucifiction. When Jesus died, I think the passover would have started at sundown. Was it sundown when he died?
d-o.o-b,
re: “I don’t think so. The first sentence says ‘All Gospels agree that Jesus held a Last Supper with his disciples pryor to dying on a Friday’”.
I took that to mean that it was saying that the Supper took place on the same calendar day as the crucifixion, i.e., the 14th - Friday. You apparently took it to be saying that it was on the 13th - Thursday. If so, that brings us back to the topic’s question - was it during the night time of the first half of Thursday or during the daytime of the second half of Thursday.
You have said that you don’t have an opinion on that. Nor do I. But maybe someone new visiting the topic may be able to shed some light on it.
I just went back and looked at some of the earlier posts and saw that riverbank had opined that the Supper took place during the first half of Thursday. I had forgotten about that post. Will have to wait and see if there are any others who support that opinion.
Maundy Thursday (also known as Holy Thursday) commemorates the events of the “Last Supper” and is one of the most significant days in the Christian liturgical calendar. It marks the transition from the Lenten season into the Paschal Triduum—the three-day period leading to Easter.
The term “Maundy” is derived from the Latin word mandatum, meaning “command” or “mandate.” This refers to the instructions Jesus gave his disciples during their final meal together.
I had to rescerch it but here is what I found.
|6:00 PM|The Passover Meal Begins|Jesus gathers with the Twelve in the Upper Room (traditionally the Cenacle).
|7:30 PM|Washing of the Feet|Jesus performs a servant’s task, teaching humility and the Mandatum (the New Commandment).
|8:30 PM|Institution of the Eucharist|The transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant via the bread and wine.
|9:30 PM|Judas Departs|After Jesus identifies his betrayer, Judas leaves into the night to meet the religious leaders.
|10:30 PM|The Final Discourse|Recorded in John 14–17; Jesus promises the Holy Spirit and prays for the unity of his followers.
|11:30 PM|Departure to the Garden|The group crosses the Kidron Valley to the base of the Mount of Olives.
|12:00 AM|The Agony in the Garden|Jesus prays in Gethsemane while the disciples struggle to stay awake.
Peter