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We live in a contentious age. The combative mood of the media and many politicians seems to influence Christians, pushing them toward a more truculent manner in the church. It’s easy for us to “be conformed to the world” instead of being “transformed by the renewal of our minds” (Rom. 12:2). Many churches have suffered from hot debates about politics, masks, and related topics in recent months.

Of course, the problem of contentiousness is hardly new. Paul often warns his readers of spiritual dangers before he closes a book (2 Cor. 13:2; Gal. 6:12–13; 2 Thess. 3:6–12; 1 Tim. 6:3–10). Paul addresses this in a striking way as he closes Romans: “Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ greet you. I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them” (Rom. 16:16–17).

Live in Peace, Confront the Contentious
Paul longs for peace and affection, signified by the holy kiss of Romans 16:16. But he knows strife can rend a church asunder, so he warns everyone to watch out for it. He mentions two sources of strife: internal divisions and false doctrines. And he meets them with two commands: watch out for them and avoid them.

Troublesome divisions seem deliberate, whether the issue is personal tension or doctrinal aberration. Romans 16:17 says people “cause” or “make” divisions; they create obstacles by opposing established doctrine. They keep people from believing what God’s appointed messengers have established as the truth.

The command “avoid them” is surprising but essential. Paul confronted heresy whenever necessary. He did it in his letters (Gal. 1–2; 1 Cor. 6; 15), and he did it face to face (Gal. 2:11). He even teaches leaders how to correct error. We should remain gentle and watch ourselves for sin (Gal. 6:1), since patient instruction is more likely to instill repentance (2 Tim. 2:24–25). Jesus urged candid but private meetings, since they are more likely to win a sinner (Matt. 18:15).

Most people resist correction. The right approach, Paul says, “may perhaps grant repentance” (2 Tim. 2:24–25). Similarly, Romans 12:18 reads, “If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.” With that double qualifier, Paul concedes that it’s not always possible to make peace, and it does not depend on you alone. Some people hate correction; we should avoid them.

Some people hate correction; we should avoid them.

In Titus 3:10, Paul expands his reasoning: “As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him.” He also exhorted Timothy to avoid quarrels (1 Tim. 6:20), of course, but “avoid them” is sharp.

Why? It seems unlike Paul, after all, to urge believers to give up on someone. Yet he knows the time comes to move on. Jesus told the apostles to shake the dust off their feet and move on if a town had no interest in their message, for the harvest “is plentiful”—if not in one place, then in another (Matt. 10:9–38; Matt. 10:12–15). Or think of Paul’s detailed list of vices in 2 Timothy 3:2–5, where the core issue is false loves. There, he critiques people who love self, money, and pleasure—but not God. “Avoid such people,” he writes. A man or woman devoted to false loves won’t heed correction, unless the Spirit intervenes.

The command to “avoid them” releases leaders, family members, friends, and coworkers from the perceived obligation and burden to stay in demonstrably futile relationships. It lets tender people break with people who use and abuse them. It lets managers dismiss chronic malcontents and allows businesses to stop placating implacable clients.

Pastors, Call the Bluff
The same holds for pastors and their angriest members. One large-church pastor had two persistent critics. He gave them time and emotional energy, but nothing blunted their hostility. Finally, one critic was in his office, lambasting him, while the church’s staff-oversight committee met nearby. His patience depleted, the pastor stood up and pointed: “The pastoral oversight committee is meeting in the next room. If I am the derelict you say I am, they need to know about it now and begin the process that will end in my dismissal. Let’s go.”

If I am the derelict you say I am, [other leaders] need to know about it now and begin the process that will end in my dismissal. Let’s go.

When the critic blanched, the pastor said, “If you don’t take your charges seriously, then neither will I,” and refused to meet with him again.

Later, he took the same approach with a second critic: “If what you say is true, the presbytery needs to begin church discipline against me. Let’s call the chairman of the committee now.” When she declined his invitation, he declined to meet her again.

The pastor followed Romans 16:17 and Titus 3:10, and it gave him a modicum of peace. The same principle applies to relationships with the contentious, the accuser, and the caustic dissenter. There is a time to say, “I tried to bring peace and failed. Now I will heed Paul and ‘avoid them.’”

Never take this position quickly, and never take it without great sorrow over failed efforts at reconciliation. Always long for restoration, for the kiss of peace. But in this troubled world, the Lord allows us to accept a lesser peace, the peace of moving on, knowing we tried.

J.

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That all sounds pretty good except I wasn’t being contentious. More of a brotherly admonishment. So I’d appreciate it if you stopped trying to turn it around and blaming me as if I have a bad attitude or something.

When you speak to people who agree with you you speak well to them, but if they don’t agree with you your ego & pride wont let you be nice to them. That’s when you start putting them down as if inferior to you, then you post some scriptures with the attitude of, they can’t say no to that so it’s official, I win…Same thing as before so you don’t need to reply to me any more on this. I know where you stand, you wont admit where I stand, and I don’t know why you think this is some sort of competition or something, where you have to always win. From a Brother in Christ to a Brother in Christ, that’s a poor presentation my friend.

It’s weird but talking to him makes me feel like, I’m talking to Ai. Can’t shake that feeling, lol.

I’m sorry to disappoint, but the article was merely my contribution to the discussion at hand. It was directed toward the topic, not toward you personally. Truthfully, I’ve already forgotten our previous interaction, my interest is in discussing ideas and Scripture, not in making matters personal.

Every morning I begin with prayer and come to this forum prepared, hoping that what I share may be used by the Lord for the edification (oikodomē, οἰκοδομή) of others and for my own growth as well (Ephesians 4:29; 1 Corinthians 14:26).

My aim is not to win arguments, but to “present” (paristēmi, παρίστημι) myself approved unto God, rightly handling the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15). As the Bereans did, I seek to examine (anakrinō, ἀνακρίνω) the Scriptures daily to see whether these things are so (Acts 17:11).

Therefore, what you say against me personally has little effect. Scripture teaches us not to be troubled when we are spoken against, but to keep a good conscience so that those who revile our good conduct in Christ may be put to shame (1 Peter 3:16). I am reminded of Paul’s words: “It is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court” (1 Corinthians 4:3).

If my words are unscriptural, then refute them from the Scriptures. But if the discussion turns to accusations about motives and character, those things pass by me like water off a duck’s back. My concern is whether what is being taught accords with the truth (alētheia, ἀλήθεια) once delivered to the saints (Jude 3).

J.

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All I was doing was giving you a small reminder to try to be somewhat more cordial. That’s, all.

1 Thessalonians 5:11-13

**11 **Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

**12 **And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

**13 **And to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. And be at peace among yourselves…/KJV

There’s a fine point here that I think is being missed. If someone feels the necessity to leave this site, then that points to the ones who have caused them to feel that way.

Knowing Scripture is great and being able to recite it in the context of the conversation is also great. Being able to see the Word as a whole and understand it as a whole is wonderful, but if that’s as far as it goes, then we have a lot more to learn.

Scripture is to be lived out. From head knowledge to heart knowledge. One should be able to see it in a person’s life. That’s what sanctification is all about. We have been given everything. Now we are growing to become what we’ve been given and it’s a process.

We’re not all the same and we’re not all in the same place. The fruit of the Spirit is about character acted out and blessing those around us. As Peter says, 'Above all, love each other deeply because love conquers a multitude of sins."

Some people like to debate Scripture and what it means, and that’s ok. Those who like to do so will interact with each other. It’s not the reason everyone comes to this site. True, some come to learn from others and in that case our words need to be understandable. To speak in a way that most don’t get, is not loving and it’s love that wins hearts.

We have hurting people here. We have those who don’t see the Lord’s presence in their lives. And we have those who are just looking for fellowship in a Christian community. Everyone is welcome and we should be careful how we speak. We need to remember that we are speaking to a child of God made in His image. They are precious to Him and we have been given an opportunity to serve them as Christ has served us. God loves them. Jesus died for them. We’re told to love them too.

This is the point I think we’re missing. No one should feel that they’re not welcome. Everyone is welcome. When we answer, we should answer what is being asked and do so with encouragement and love. That takes discernment and not a quick off the cuff answer. Perhaps our answer is something from Scripture and sometimes its not. Always what the Bible says comes into play, but to throw Scripture at a hurting brother or sister without first acknowledging their hurt is not loving.

While I agree with your comment, may I ask if you have had the opportunity to read the entire thread before responding? The discussion is not very long, and as Proverbs 18:13 reminds us, “If one gives an answer before he hears, it is his folly and shame.” Context often helps us better understand what is actually being argued.

Not being facetious.

J.

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Yes I did read it. Some of it I skimmed over and some of it I read carefully. I wasn’t reading to see who was right and who was wrong. I read the overall feel of the thread and the interaction of those who posted.
If you feel that my comment doesn’t apply here, that’s ok. Take what you will of it and ignore the rest. I’ve said what I’ve said with no intention of malice towards anyone. I thought it to be approppiate. Others may disagree.

Why would I object to your participation in this thread? Everyone is free to contribute their thoughts.
Correct?

J.

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I didn’t think that at all. I’m not sure how I gave that impression.

“If you feel that my comment doesn’t apply here, that’s ok. Take what you will of it and ignore the rest.”

Why would I feel your comment does not apply here? Do we perhaps have a miscommunication between us?

J.

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I think so. I’m not even sure what we’re talking about. I suggest we just leave it as is. Are you ok with that?

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You are so right, Brother. In an age where the world is in moral decline, and sin and dark hearts increase, we must shine brighter with love and compassion even more so now than before. This takes setting aside one’s pride and becoming more humble towards everyone.

If you were charged with Felony Christianity, would there be enough evidence to convict you? A good question we can all ask ourself.

Scripture says, be ye holy even as I am holy. That charges us to do it. So striving to be more loving in speech and compassionate in heart

I don’t know how rough around the edges people think I am. I am getting better and that’s saying something because growing up and most of my life, I had quite a mouth on me, lol. I try. Everybody has bad days now and then. I’m making progress in learning love & compassion and I tell you what, I can see the changes in me, and think this at best half of it, right? Because while learning to love our neighbor as ourself, this must extend to the poor and homeless. So I pay my tithes right on the street and cut out the middleman for he who needs help. You can look at somebody and tell that they need help. I thought I lived in poverty because I got no savings and am disabled retired and started drawing my SS money a little early, wow is not very much! But the Lord is letting me steward a 4 1/2 BR house that is title free so no mortgage payments, what a Blessing! At the right time of my life too. He’s good like that.

A long time ago I had read that we may test the Lord about tithing and see if He will or wont open the floodgates of heaven in response, so I tested it real good, and it wasn’t easy, lol. I had to not let my left hand know that I was doing it, or she would have got real mad and yelled. Anyway, my test concluded that, it’s true. I used to say, I can’t afford to tithe, but I found out that I can’t not afford to tithe! So, Tithes and offerings it is.

But I digress, My point is, tithing cost me something and I think that’s a good thing. When people claim to be Christian but only if it doesn’t cost anything, then…that’s luke warm at best and perhaps missing the mark. But I also strive to be more obedient and so it is a good thing and may be a little evidence that I’m a Christian. Now the Lord rewards obedience both in this world and the next, but I just don’t want to be the guy with one talent who buried it in the ground. Jesus said that whatever we do for anyone is like doing it for Jesus Him Self. If we would do it for Jesus if He asked (He did !!) then why did you pss the homeless guy with a sign today? Don’t do that! Go back. Every little bit helps. So having a bridled tongue helps but is only half of it as you see,

Bless you Brother !

“but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you.”

However, do not forget the rest.

“yet do it with gentleness and respect,” 1 Peter 3:15

Try to be nice, never fail to be kind. Let us all leave our egos at the door. We are all in different places in our journey. Some are babes, some are teenagers, some are adults. We need to encourage, teach, and help raise children of God. Of course, scripture is the foundation and is of the utmost importance. However, never forget, to the lost, or even the young, the simple things of God are not so simple.
Peter

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