Shouldn't one's belief require some level of faith?

Shouldn't one's belief require some level of faith?

Summary: This post explores whether belief in God should inherently require faith, especially when understanding spiritual truths that cannot be fully proven. Drawing on verses like Hebrews 11:1, 2 Corinthians 5:7, and James 2:17, the discussion highlights faith as an assurance in things unseen, guiding Christians to rely on God’s promises and act upon His Word.

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Faith is often called the cornerstone of belief, but it can raise questions for those seeking certainty. In a world where evidence and reason are highly valued, should belief require faith, or is faith a necessary leap to bridge the gap between what we can prove and what we can trust? The Bible speaks extensively about faith, not only as a personal conviction but as a vital aspect of knowing and following God. The question, then, is how much faith should be a part of one’s belief, especially when understanding something as profound as God.

The Bible highlights faith as an essential part of our spiritual journey, one that moves beyond mere sight or understanding. Hebrews 11:1 defines faith as “the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen,” showing that faith is about trust in what we may not fully grasp. Similarly, 2 Corinthians 5:7 reminds us that “we walk by faith, not by sight,” encouraging believers to rely on God’s promises rather than visible evidence alone. These verses present faith as a path that requires confidence in God, even when answers are not readily available.

Yet, faith isn’t about blind trust. As James 2:17 puts it, “faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead,” showing that faith requires action and commitment. Romans 10:17 also reminds us that “faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ,” suggesting that our faith is meant to be grounded in God’s Word. With these passages in mind, what do you think – is faith essential for belief, and if so, how does it influence your trust in God?

Sure, every metaphysical belief system including Christianity requires faith simply because we can’t know the answers in the same way we can know objective truths about the world. I can KNOW my car is in the garage. I cannot KNOW there is a God in the same way, even though believers often make this claim. Genuine atheism (“There is no deity”) likewise requires faith because the atheist can’t KNOW this either. When it comes to metaphysics, all we each can hold are beliefs - convictions.

The obligation, I think, is to make our convictions as well-informed as possible. I always say my leap of faith has a solid foundation in experience, observation, study, reflection and intuition. I thus believe my leap of faith is smaller than someone who simply falls into a set of beliefs on the basis of parental indoctrination, the teachings of authority figures or cultural influences - but I still, like everyone else, am making a leap of faith.

I would just add that “faith grounded in God’s Word” is true only if (1) one’s convictions are Christian and (2) one has faith that the Bible is in fact God’s Word. In regard to #2, among Christians there are many different levels of faith in the Bible.

The point being, this is an extremely area of philosophy (epistemology). Many Christians seem to have the idea that “faith” by definition means “Christian faith” and that “faith in God’s Word” means mindless acceptance of the literal truth of the Bible.

I had this quote from Oswald Chambers come across my reading this morning:

“Seeing is never believing: we interpret what we see in the light of what we believe. Faith is confidence in God before you see God emerging; therefore the nature of faith is that it must be tried.“

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That’s a little tricky, because this notion of faith is pretty close to what atheists would call “confirmation bias” - believers see God in circumstances where atheists don’t because we want to see God (the humor being that atheists never recognize their own confirmation bias of not wanting to see God!). I don’t quite see how anyone would have “confidence” in God without some foundation of belief that he exists and is the God of Christianity as I suggested above. We then have an “informed faith” and not merely a confirmation bias.

I love this!!
[English Standard Version]
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Heb 11:1

Things hoped for that I have faith God can accomplish is a long list for me…… I’ll share 5

  1. God is in control of this world, politics, economy, nations, the chaos…
  2. if God gives me a new day of life, His mercies are new
  3. my salvation has been secured based on His resurrection
  4. a safe drive to town and back ( I live in desert hinterland)
  5. the water out of my tap is safer than it was a year ago.

From big unfathomable concepts of faith to everyday things taken for granted or accepted as the conviction of things not seen.

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Epistemology (the branch of philosophy dealing with the nature and sources of knowledge) happens to be one of my pet subjects, so I’ll keep chiming in.

“Things hoped for” and “things not seen” have to have some basis in reality for them to be the subject of rational “assurance” and “conviction.” An assurance and conviction in the existence of unicorns simply isn’t rational.

@Fritzpw_Admin suggests above that faith should be grounded in God’s Word. But wait, any assurance and conviction that the Bible is God’s Word likewise requires a foundation to be rational. And the assurance and conviction that there is a God at all and that he is the God of Christianity likewise requires a foundation to be rational.

In my experience, many Christians just have some sort of free-floating “faith” they can’t define or explain because they’ve just sort of stumbled into their Christianity.

I don’t think Christian convictions are any different from any other metaphysical convictions, including atheism or Hinduism. I think they require a foundation in experience, observation, study, reflection and intuition.

The question posed in the original post can be reversed: Shouldn’t one’s faith require some level of belief? Yes, it should, and those beliefs should be as well-informed and well-grounded as one can make them. Then faith in God and in the Bible isn’t just the irrational pie in the sky many atheists think it is.

Maybe I’m just reading you wrong but it would seem to me that you are insinuating most of us don’t have a faith in God or Biblical concepts that is grounded. I for one have not stumbled into Christianity. I made a choice to have a relationship with Jesus and that means I read his word, listen and try to form my life around a solid faith in him.

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I said “many,” not “most,” but in all honesty I wouldn’t disagree with “most.”

In my considerable experience, a large percentage of Christians are what they are because they (1) were indoctrinated into the religion by parents or other authority figures, and/or (2) fell into and remain in the religion for cultural, social, economic or psychological reasons having little or nothing to do with the religion’s truth claims.

Kierkegaard made the same observation about his native Denmark almost 200 years ago, and it’s certainly more true in America today. It’s true as well, of course, of Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and others - the vast majority of all believers of all sorts are what they are for reasons (1) and/or (2), couldn’t really articulate why they believe what they say they believe, and have no meaningful understanding of any of the alternatives.

You say you’ve “made a choice” to “have a relationship” with Jesus. What does this mean? Surely, there was some basis for your “choice” - or did it just seem like a good idea? How does it differ from someone who makes a choice to follow Buddhism or atheism or Scientology? What is this relationship? On what basis do you conclude it’s real and not just a figment of your imagination? The actual response of most Christians to questions in this vein is “Go away. I don’t want to think about it. I’m happy with my religion.” Well, OK, but most Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists would say the same thing.

(I’m not sitting in judgment of you personally. Perhaps your faith is indeed well-grounded and you have thought deeply about it. I’m speaking of the “many” or “most” I’ve observed and interacted with.)

I always wanted a belief system I really believed, not one I pretended to believe and not one that forced me to live in a constant state of cognitive dissonance because science, history and real life told me it was mostly nonsense. (Hence Mark Twain’s quip that “faith is believing things you know ain’t so.”) I thus spent a lifetime of effort arriving at what seemed to me to be rational and well-founded convictions, ones I can articulate and defend if the occasion demands it. They are “sorta kinda” Christian, but nothing that fits comfortably on forums such as these.

Incredibly - to me, anyway - many Christians seem to think mindless “faith” is what God wants and that living in a constant state of cognitive dissonance is somehow pleasing to God and proof of “real faith.” Yep, the earth is 6500 years old.

I understand and appreciate that for many Christians reasons (1) and (2) are sufficient and they almost don’t care whether the “relationship” with Jesus is real because it serves its psychological purposes even if it isn’t. “Just making a choice to believe” isn’t my idea of faith and, in any event, was not the path I was willing to follow in my own life. I wanted my leap of faith to be as small as possible after I had put in place the most solid foundation I could.

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Salem Media Group has carved out its niche in a species of Christianity I call Sunday School La-La Land or Perpetual Vacation Bible School or perhaps Evangelical Christianity Light. Forums such as these aren’t for serious discussion of serious issues. And that’s fine for the manty people whose Christianity is just a “choice” and a “relationship” that meets their needs without much thought or introspection and who are more interested in pep talks than substantive discussion.

I realized early-on that these forums were not a good fit for someone like me, but I decided to stick around a bit and see if I served any useful purpose. I clearly don’t, however, and thus am moving on because Sunday School La-La Land doesn’t serve any useful purpose for me either. Even if this species of Christianity were true - which it may be, for all I know - I would simply be constitutionally incapable of believing it or pretending to believe it.

Over and out.

Bingo, your questions are answered below.
Just FYI I don’t use Crosswalk hardly at all and Salem Radio is not on my dial. There are many options for learning and growing in one’s faith and knowledge of the Triune God.
I choose not to use Crosswalk.

You say you’ve “made a choice” to “have a relationship” with Jesus. What does this mean?
When presented with the gospel and Christ’s resurrection,
I knew, without a doubt, I wasn’t gonna let the opportunity to grow cold in my heart that I wanted him as MY saviour.

I made a profession of faith when I was 7, but that was because my mum was badgering me cause I was a naughty girl at the dinner table displeasing my parents and thus God.
I grew up in a church like that. Toxic religion. So at the age of 14 I said “yes” to having Jesus as my Saviour and my Shepherd. A shepherd LOVES and CARES and that is what I needed/wanted/craved, not hell fire damnation.
So it was my conscious choice to give my life to Jesus.

Surely, there was some basis for your “choice” - or did it just seem like a good idea?
The basis for my choice was a loving God who sent his only son to save me and the world, if others too would seek him.

It’s a good idea to sin- lie, get angry & have a temper, be rude to others, have sex with married men.
God changes that. My desire has not been to sin, altho yes I do it. Daily to my chagrin. My desire has been to read my Bible and live wholly unto my God and Saviour but I can’t do it alone. The Holy Spirit given to me upon redemption enables me.

You know your Scripture Bingo altho you apply it with judgement and skepticism. No no. It’s by faith, NOT of yourself, least you boast in your own intelligence.

How does it differ from someone who makes a choice to follow Buddhism or atheism or Scientology?
I serve a RISEN Lord not a dead human, not an idol, not a way of thinking.
I KNOW that my Redeemer lives. All those other religions are based on empty promises cause Jesus said I AM the way, the Truth and the Life.

What is this relationship?
Do you have someone you esteem, love and desire to be with?
That’s what a relationship with the Triune God is, an everyday learning his Word, praying is talking to him and KNOWING without a doubt He is there- inside one’s soul, around oneself and leading just like a Shepherd guides, guards, protects and leads the sheep. Me, I am a sheep, part of the flock that He shall feed.

On what basis do you conclude it’s real and not just a figment of your imagination?
There is a knowing, given to us/me by the Holy Spirit, that I am a child of God. It’s fellowship.

Colossians 3:12 tells me as God’s child how to live, if I choose not to, he is not Lord of my life.

The actual response of most Christians to questions in this vein is “Go away. I don’t want to think about it. I’m happy with my religion.”

Some Christian’s, Believers is my chosen word, choose not to have an apologetic cause they aren’t grounded in the Word. Salvation is a free ticket to hell. Usually seen this way by those in a toxic church.

God is merciful and gracious, faithful, not just in His Nature but in His dealings with us.
Can Mohammed or Buddha or Scientology proclaim this unique relationship and faith in a sovereign God? I think not.

You’re a smart man Bingo but have you missed your choice by 12-14 inches? You overthink the simple thing God does for each of us and don’t allow your heart to believe.

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@Dogmum, I appreciate your thoughtful response.

What you describe is exactly what I’m talking about: Parental indoctrination into Christianity, early immersion in Christianity, rejection of a harsh Christianity that seemed toxic, landing in a more personally appealing and satisfying version of Christianity, and now an inner knowing that you have a real relationship with Jesus.

It has all been within the echo chamber of Christianity. It’s all based on assumptions, choices and feelings. It’s exactly the way I described “many” or “most” Christians being. Do you really think you’d be making these same assumptions and choices and having these same feelings if you’d been born into a fifth-generation Hindu family in New Delhi?

It’s an unexamined faith, one not particularly concerned with ultimate Truth. Truth is just sort of assumed: The God of Christianity exists, the Bible is his Word, Jesus is his divine son, all other religions are false, and so on and so forth. Again, none of this seems quite so self-evidently obvious and true to someone born into a Hindu family in New Delhi (or the Dalai Lama, for that matter).

My journey began with a startling, explicitly Christian supernatural experience more than 50 years ago. I would’ve been a perfect candidate for your type of Christianity. After immersion in Campus Crusade and a Southern Baptist seminary, however, I had to admit: I just didn’t believe it, simple as that. If I were ever going to believe it, I needed a much solider foundation than a Baptist preacher factory was going to give me.

I thus began a quest that has now spanned more than 50 years. I investigated all the major religions and all the scientific disciplines that seemed relevant to me. I dived as deeply into Christian theology and apologetics as anyone you are ever likely to meet.

As far as the sort of Christianity exemplified by these forums is concerned, I still had to admit: I just didn’t believe it. But now I had more than just an intuition. I had a solid foundation in theology, a number of scientific disciplines, history, archaeology and textual criticism. IMO, this sort of Christianity just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. This is why “many” or “most” Christians are afraid of scrutinizing it and prefer to live in their echo chambers.

I wanted a belief system that I really believed was the closest to the ultimate Truth, even if it turned out to be atheism. It didn’t, however. I have a deep conviction in the existence of a creator, a providential God who has, I believe, demonstrated his reality to me in objective ways throughout my life. Unlike “many” or “most” Christians, I don’t pretend to have certainty or tidy connect-the-dots answers; I am more than content with a small number of deep convictions and the acceptance of a fair amount of mystery and uncertainty.

You suggest I rely too much on my intellect and not enough on my “heart.” I do indeed rely heavily on the intellect with which God has blessed me. I think he expects me to. I don’t think he is impressed by a head-in-the-sand sort of “faith” that insists the earth is 6,500 years old (surely you don’t), Genesis is literally true, the Bible is inerrant and infallible, and so on and so forth. To me, and most scholars, this is just nonsense, demonstrably false. The Jesus of history and the Christ of Pauline theology are two very different people with very different messages, and what the Jesus of history was hoping to achieve was something far more radical and transforming than the Christianity of today.

Yes, I want my faith to be as rational and informed as it can possibly be. My “heart” is involved to the extent that it tells me what any God worthy of the name could possibly be like and what his plan for creation could possibly be – and exclusivist, eternal torment, my-way-or-the-highway Christianity just isn’t it.

Could I be wrong? Sure, and so could you, and so could every Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist. We all do the best we can with what we’ve been given. I differ from you only in that I cheerfully admit I could be wrong and can live with this possibility. Can you live with the possibility that the Jesus with whom you now think you have a relationship is actually a figment of your imagination, a psychological projection? (I’m not saying he is, merely that an honest faith at least confronts and considers this possibility.)

What amuses me is how those in the echo chamber of what the atheists love to call blind faith or mindless faith always view their position as superior, as somehow more pleasing to God even as they cling to nonsense like a Young Earth. WHY would this sort of faith be pleasing to any God worthy of the name? I don’t believe it’s possible to “overthink” ultimate Truth, and I believe God wants us to explore it and think about it as deeply as we can.

If your faith suffices for you, fine. As I recognized and accepted more than 50 years ago, only a lobotomy would have kept me in this sort of Christianity. Where you suggest I’ve “missed [my] choice by 12-14 inches,” apparently meaning by overusing my brain, I might challenge you to step out of the echo chamber long enough to explore the actual history of Judaism and Christianity, the turbulent times in which Jesus lived, the incredible variety of early Christianities that competed with what become orthodox Christianity, the distinctly non-edifying history of the Council of Nicaea and other Ecumenical Councils, and some of the scholarly historical and textual criticism of the Bible. It might be quite eye-opening and even enriching.

I appreciate what you have to say but may I ask who made you my judge? Who made you one to question what others are going through in their faith?. We work out our salvation and yet you don’t seem to allow others to make the journey you’ve made.
I can’t read you any more. You’re self righteous and don’t want others to work out their salvation. You’d rather judge others for their journeys.
Over and out.

Last one from me, but does ANYONE ELSE see the humor here???

@Dogmum, whom I’m sure is a fine Christian woman who means well, can say to ME, “You’re a smart man Bingo but have you missed your choice by 12-14 inches? You overthink the simple thing God does for each of us and don’t allow your heart to believe.”

No self-righteousness or judgmental attitude THERE, eh? :rofl: Just a kindly observation that I overthink things and don’t allow my heart to simply believe in God. :rofl:

I explain at length that I in fact DO have a very well-informed and deep faith in God, just not the simple (or simple-minded) “just believe” sort of faith exemplified by Dogmum and many, many others.

THIS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. Dogmum demands to know who made ME her judge, huh??? I’m just a “self-righteous” troublemaker! Dogmum is DONE with me, so there!

Because Dogmum is one them there Real Christians, she can sit in judgment as to where I’ve gone astray and whether I even know God. Flip the script, however, and Dogmum rapidly comes unglued.

Do I view a well-informed faith as “superior” to an uninformed one? Yes, I suppose I do for the same reason that I view any well-informed position or decision as superior to an uninformed one. Does God care? Probably not. (On the other hand, I doubt God cares about 47 things Dogmum thinks are important either.)

Contrary to what Dogmum suggested about me, I did not suggest Dogmum wasn’t a perfectly fine Christian with a deep and authentic faith in God, I simply attempted to EXPLAIN to Dogmum why I don’t, and never could, operate at the same simple-minded level of faith at which she chooses to operate. It’s as alien to me as people who actually believe in Scientology.

Like all Christians who operate at this level, Dogmum can’t handle an actual discussion. It’s why all Christian forums are what I described in my initial post in the thread Isn’t this the problem with all Christian forums? - General Faith - Christian Forums at Crosswalk. Those with Dogmum’s sort of faith want nothing but Christian “happy talk” that doesn’t challenge their thinking. And that’s fine if this is how a forum wishes to operate - but it does make for a rather dull forum, don’t you think?

Christian belief exists along a very broad and diverse spectrum and always has. Those who occupy the Sunday School La-La Land niche can’t accept this. In their theology, a simple-minded. unquestioning, literalist, doesn’t-matter-if-it-makes-sense sort of “faith” is the only Real Christianity and the only variety pleasing to God. Well, I’m guessing probably not. I’m inclined to think God gave us minds for a reason.