The Abomination Of Desolation

Edward429451 · March 29, 2026, 12:05am

Matthew 24:15

**¹⁵**When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)…/KJV

Everybody has always said they will build a 3rd Temple in Israel and indeed they are getting ready and already have made all the golden furniture and are only waiting for the go signal. Then the anti-christ will go in the temple and declare him self God, right? Were you taught that too? I was.

I’m starting to question it now. Doesn’t scripture say that We are the Temple now? What if most people misunderstood a literal brick temple and it is actually something symbolic? And literal, the Word of God is truth so we ARE the Temple now.

What do you think?

Nadala · March 29, 2026, 2:31am

Yes it seems to me Temple is our brain, thoughts, spirit.Yes what you say seems corrrect. is nothing to do but faith and pray. After much forced contemplation there is no choice only horrifying knowing. To me I was advised personally to heed and to study Ark of the Covenant and Noah’s Ark . You will see the reality of the disappearing box and what it really is and related and how you are to deal with such devastation. I swear that I even seen a mockery of furniture the Lord wanted at the opening of the door I was horrorified when I realized as I contemplated buying it and then realized it’s a mockery and I was shocked and I was shaken that we can be taken so easily it’s not a joke and it’s the Lords battle is my thought and I would never want to be in the battle against the Lord or those who mocked its frightening it’s the one thing I’m frightened. I had dreams 30 years ago of a community and no one was there and I couldn’t believe it when recently after all these years one community completely torn everything down and rebuilt and there was that exact community. I don’t know it’s scary. And you wouldn’t believe or maybe you would but across the street from the community I sort of thought it’s a violence trap and stated the military should get involved and then we live near a base and my husband said he heard their booms that day and they were wondering because it shakes the ground they doing their doing and again later these realizations and it’s scary to me also someone was with me and no one else their was no one their in my dream it was deserted and the person I was with in the dream went their and I never told him about this dream and he said it’s deserted and creepy and I was amazed he went their oh yea it looks amazing but we had to check it out but it’s deserted and creepy But I lived their in my dream and it was and is scary it looks like cartoon town. Anyways may the Lord bless you keep you and the mystery of the good Lord be with you. If you would like to discuss more I would be happy to and also to hear anything you have in this b cause it’s a big one. I even feel the Lord maybe delayed posting this it’s very serious the covenant and protection of the temple yet also so is gathering the twos and those who need to hear this it is of vital importance cause I tell you it’s over 30 years of praying and contemplation. I just recently seen a very specific door and I’m wondering if I go their I will see it it was like a duality that night where I live now the door and their it was unbelievable and hard to explain and scary . The shadow and its meaning the shadow of that town and scripture and when the Lord speaks to you you know it speaks in unimaginable 100 s of ways and I wonder if that door is also at an important religious location I’ve never been to before but I tell you what I do feel curious and I want to know just everything it’s alot of speaking and a important topic and theirs more it started this topic. When I was a child and it’s coming more and more into focus and being . I cannot even begin to tell you everything the topic is defineately a lot and I wonder if the community area across the street will be destroyed in a catastrophic flood their is a difference in elevation and it is a violence trap it should never be and their is a river that will possible have unbelievable flooding near their it has flooding but I have a feeling it will be giant

PeterC · March 29, 2026, 9:58am

The phrase “(whoso readeth, let him understand)” is a direct plea for discernment. It suggests that the “abomination” isn’t just a physical event, but a spiritual signpost that requires a deep understanding of scripture to recognize when it actually manifests.

The gravity of this moment in the text is marked by the immediate urgency that follows: the instruction to leave everything behind and flee without looking back.

Daniel 9:27

“In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice… to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate.”

This occurs during the “70th Week.” It links the cessation of Jewish temple sacrifices directly to the arrival of the “abomination.”

Daniel 11:31

“They shall pollute the sanctuary of strength… and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.”

This describes a military or political force (“arms”) that actively defiles the Temple fortress.

Daniel 12:11

" From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination… set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

This provides a specific mathematical timeline ($1,290$ days), linking the event to a period of intense testing or “tribulation.”

In Daniel’s visions, the “Holy Place” is the Sanctuary or the Temple in Jerusalem. The “Abomination” is something that essentially “evicts” the presence of God from His own house by replacing holy worship with something detestable, idolatry, or a false ruler.

When Jesus quotes this in Matthew, He is giving a “trigger” for action. For those listening in the 1st Century, “standing in the holy place” was a visual cue. The instruction to “flee to the mountains” suggests that once this “Abomination” is visible, the window for safety is closing rapidly. It represents the point of no return where religious desecration meets physical destruction.

Are we the temple of the Holy Spirit? Yes. However, this is talking about the actual two different things.
Peter

Nadala · March 29, 2026, 11:17am

Yes I believe it’s Gods only battle no matter my beliefs and experiences that teach it. I’m not into biblical psychosis and the Lord mentions about adding to the book so I am not Ruth and I am not the Bible but Iam god willing his own plan for me and I’m not to take up the Lords battles as I see it. It’s interesting to see you have such an interest in this area as do I and something about the twos. And the flood. People are destroyed all the time in floods. I also hot swept away in my car in a freak flash flood so to me it’s all about God plan and we don’t say and we think we know we don’t . But I do think the Lord wants good . The mind the temple can be destroyed via God man and otherwise and we again leave it to God and perhaps drink water and get an animal friend I don’t know just something about it . I’ve worked with people who lost everything including their family and have nothing something about providing quiet, an animal, and water and a clean simple environment without much thought s life giving . And desolation is not ours to define even if we want to and will define but if you cause someone’s desolation deliberately with evil intention as in you follow them around take their mind take their life you will deal with accident . I don’t know how to say it any other way then the analogy if you follow to close to the person next to you in a car your ridiculous you are messing with destruction now we cannot look at someone and say if they followed to closely because God destroys minds but we know inside and that’s what matters and The battle is the Lords that kind of harm is not easy or simply designed. The more I use the phone the more I find it a destruction of the temple and distance is good even though I like chatting community isn’t everything. And in my own forces of life simple was the most healing, no community, an animal the Lord provided, clean living , anything else it’s destructive and I’m shocked at what the Lord wants sometimes and even forcing it on you simple quiet and clean living until. Thank you friend you really can’t know how deep and certain fellowship can trigger a real knowing and peace even when talking about abomination and when it comes to destruction we don’t owe anyone even one word that is another takeaway from the Noah and it’s more upsetting to others outside of course and some stocking up and hunkering down is necessary. Don’t owe anyone a explanation and the battle is the Lords as that’s just to big and to much and it’s a abomination and a desolation it’s the worst if the worst. People go thru genocides and atrocities and no they don’t need community ever that’s harming them after such and nor is it their fight it’s to much yes it can be to much so we are to be simple and the lord will be too much. And the lord is the ultimate shaman if the lord decides we need Desolation to heal he will remove everyone and woe to stupid who interfer because this I seen to if the person is not able to because the resolution is very serious we should provide comfort and not communicate again I cannot stress enough you do not mess in Gods battles. Some of us have this and outsider is not going to tell you anything. And sometimes you can see hypocrites or people posing as someone when you’ve been thru such and it’s beyond ridiculous for them to tell you need to talk and community. I went to see a very smart Dr at one time he spoke to me for about 5 minutes and understood quickly then it’s no more talk and trust me he knows the Lord interferes he was inundated even when I’m their with serious emergencies and it’s almost impossible to speak it’s not joke and a disability and the Lird test takes it up and has much to say and can be to much and it can scare others who have not been to yet also most will experience some form of this yet some are sooner rather then later and to different degrees of severity its end of life stuff too it’s part of life

PeterC · March 29, 2026, 12:01pm

This seems like a deeply personal, stream-of-consciousness reflection that blends biblical theology with a traumatic lived experience (the flash flood). You seem to be processing a “survival theology,” or a way of understanding God’s power and human suffering after having lost control in a literal disaster?

If you are emphasizing that humans should not try to “play God” or fight battles that belong to the Divine. The ultimate justice and the “big” movements of history are out of human hands.

Thanks for sharing this. Having been swept away in a car, you have a visceral understanding that human will is nothing compared to the forces of nature/God. We think we know, but we don’t.

Are you warning that if someone deliberately causes another person’s mental or spiritual desolation, such as harassment, “taking their mind”, that person will face a “divine accident” or consequences they didn’t see coming? Just trying to understand your point.

Peter

Nadala · March 29, 2026, 1:56pm

I can’t say for sure but I do believe I’ve seen it. And I do believe modern psychiatry knows these truths too.And some wonder why they can get no help yet it’s defineately Lord is the shaman so take up your Ark and you may be a victim and don’t understand but just know The Lord takes up end of life I do believe it’s not discussed and folks don’t want to believe but yes Psychiatrist know who can I talk and when not to and if they do they will be harmed and I do believe the Vatican knows this and other religions Muslim clerics certain rabbis yet what matters is if they do what rights only certain folks can it’s not a joke and as a fellow friend in the Lord we should not want others to stumble that’s why this serious subject I’m suggesting take up your Ark and your covenant if you. Go within as much as you can and the lord give and take away and don’t interfere I’m not saying don’t worry I’m saying don’t interefere in the Lords battle if you work quit talking if you go in the community for food quit talking it’s awful but necessary and others will not understand but it’s necessary . That’s what I can help with, as I know many who experience awful things oh my I can’t get help and relief and in my opinion their is no choice but to take up your Ark and covenant, and you will see you go to the Dr it will be impossible or need shelter services and can’t get it whatever it’s awful you should shelter in place and take up your Ark this is not light things these are the most serious if you do not take up your covenant or run to a different country and invoke a destruction of your covenant sometimes what seems right is a evil just because we can eat fruit and vegetables does not mean we should eat it until we are 1000 pds you might be destroyed even if you did nothing wrong you do not interfere in the Lords battle if your not told anything it’s only take up your Ark and your covenant and if in a middle of a genocide you get up and comb your hair and apply lipstick it’s ok no one should tell you how to act truly the Lord will take it up it’s to much nor should shame happen or folks say that person with the lipstick didn’t suffer as the Lord may bring that desolation on that mocker as that was the Lords covenant I’ve seen that too their certainly can be a terrible sense of this isn’t real but it is but the message is always take up your covenant and stick to your own covenant for me

Edward429451 · March 30, 2026, 12:25pm

This thread is taking off I see. Good. Sorry I wasn’t around yesterday but I’m here today.

To answer your post, I think there’s more to it than that. Not that you’re wrong, just that there’s more to it. I’m not being dogmatic either, I’m wondering about deception. Like for sure they are not going to trot out the anti-christ and say, meet your anti-christ. No, they want him accepted in a way that everyone is deceived and invites him into their heart. How can a bunch of spirit filled Christians believe him and invite him to reside in their beliefs.

…that even the elect would be deceived if possible. I think the anti-christ will be an Alien. They will soon make full contact and land and be on the news. They will be humanoid and beautiful in that right. He will be soft spoken and speak much about love and helping the earth to solve it’s problems and at some point they will start doing miracles. Real miracles. What if your decrepid old grandmother is full of arthritis and cancer and they totally heal her and restore her vitality of life to her. WOuld you not be impressed? And people will believe him because they can see him. Oh btw, we seeded the earth a long time ago and Jesus was only a prophet or messenger and all paths really lead to God.

So people will invite him into their Temple that they are and we are and there is your abomination my Brother, which cause (spiritual) desolation.

Only those who know the Lord’s voice and have spent much time in His presence to learn these things and have the discernment to see the lie and back off…the remnant.

I’m not saying a 3rd literal temple wont be built in Israel. Don’t underestimate human stupidity! But this reality(?) could easily be literal and spiritual at the same time. Right? When I read I often try to read it 3 times. 1st for the textual message, 2nd time for the underlying spiritual message and the 3rd time for the spiritual principle which is showing. So it could be the same way here, literal and spiritual. Or so it seems to me.

Edward429451 · March 30, 2026, 12:29pm

Nadala:

Yes I believe it’s Gods only battle no matter my beliefs and experiences that teach it. I’m not into biblical psychosis and the Lord mentions about adding to the book so I am not Ruth and I am not the Bible but Iam god willing his own plan for me and I’m not to take up the Lords battles as I see it. It’s interesting to see you have such an interest in this area as do I and something about the twos. And the flood. People are destroyed all the time in floods . I also hot swept away in my car in a freak flash flood so to me it’s all about God plan and we don’t say and we think we know we don’t . But I do think the Lord wants good . The mind the temple can be destroyed via God man and otherwise and we again leave it to God and perhaps drink water and get an animal friend I don’t know just something about it . I’ve worked with people who lost everything including their family and have nothing something about providing quiet, an animal, and water and a clean simple environment without much thought s life giving . And desolation is not ours to define even if we want to and will define but if you cause someone’s desolation deliberately with evil intention as in you follow them around take their mind take their life you will deal with accident . I don’t know how to say it any other way then the analogy if you follow to close to the person next to you in a car your ridiculous you are messing with destruction now we cannot look at someone and say if they followed to closely because God destroys minds but we know inside and that’s what matters and The battle is the Lords that kind of harm is not easy or simply designed. The more I use the phone the more I find it a destruction of the temple and distance is good even though I like chatting community isn’t everything. And in my own forces of life simple was the most healing, no community, an animal the Lord provided, clean living , anything else it’s destructive and I’m shocked at what the Lord wants sometimes and even forcing it on you simple quiet and clean living until. Thank you friend you really can’t know how deep and certain fellowship can trigger a real knowing and peace even when talking about abomination and when it comes to destruction we don’t owe anyone even one word that is another takeaway from the Noah and it’s more upsetting to others outside of course and some stocking up and hunkering down is necessary. Don’t owe anyone a explanation and the battle is the Lords as that’s just to big and to much and it’s a abomination and a desolation it’s the worst if the worst. People go thru genocides and atrocities and no they don’t need community ever that’s harming them after such and nor is it their fight it’s to much yes it can be to much so we are to be simple and the lord will be too much. And the lord is the ultimate shaman if the lord decides we need Desolation to heal he will remove everyone and woe to stupid who interfer because this I seen to if the person is not able to because the resolution is very serious we should provide comfort and not communicate again I cannot stress enough you do not mess in Gods battles. Some of us have this and outsider is not going to tell you anything. And sometimes you can see hypocrites or people posing as someone when you’ve been thru such and it’s beyond ridiculous for them to tell you need to talk and community. I went to see a very smart Dr at one time he spoke to me for about 5 minutes and understood quickly then it’s no more talk and trust me he knows the Lord interferes he was inundated even when I’m their with serious emergencies and it’s almost impossible to speak it’s not joke and a disability and the Lird test takes it up and has much to say and can be to much and it can scare others who have not been to yet also most will experience some form of this yet some are sooner rather then later and to different degrees of severity its end of life stuff too it’s part of life

I can agree with quite a bit of what you said. I can say one thing at this time…Paragraphs Brother !!

PeterC · March 30, 2026, 1:19pm

I’m thinking that you use a lot of metaphorical and biblical language, like the terms “taking up your Ark” or “covenant,” to describe a way of surviving overwhelming or “awful” circumstances?

You seem to suggest that when the world feels impossible to navigate, one should focus entirely on their internal spiritual connection and “shelter in place” rather than seeking external validation or help that might feel unavailable or even harmful.

When someone feels that the usual systems of support (doctors, communities, or even religious institutions) are unable to help or are “in on” a hidden truth, it can be a very lonely and distressing experience.

I think I picked up on three main points. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

1: The advice to “quit talking” when getting food or working suggests a belief that safety is found in silence and internal focus during a perceived “spiritual battle.”

2: The emphasis on sticking to one’s “own covenant” regardless of how others act (the example of the lipstick during a crisis) highlights the idea that every person’s burden and way of coping is unique and should not be judged by others.

3: There is a clear sense of mistrust toward organized systems, suggesting they may be bound by rules or “truths” they cannot speak of.

Processing these kinds of intense spiritual or existential thoughts can be a lot to handle on your own. While you suggest “sheltering in place,” it can sometimes be helpful to ground those feelings by focusing on simple, everyday routines or connecting with people who provide a sense of calm and safety.

If these themes of “spiritual battles” or feeling unable to get help from doctors are something you or someone you know is personally struggling with right now, it might be worth finding a trusted, neutral space to talk through those feelings, perhaps a counselor who specializes in spiritual themes or a supportive friend who can listen without judgment.
Peter

PeterC · March 30, 2026, 1:42pm

Two thoughts here. Actually, it will be pretty obvious.

"And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

Also, it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe, and people, and language and nation, and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain." Revelation 13:1-8

The Word tells us that,

“Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

We are not going to miss it. “How can a bunch of spirit-filled Christians believe him and invite him to reside in their beliefs?” Sadly, the failure to actually pick this up (Holding up the Bible) and read it. Have a solid foundation. Know the truth.

Interesting. Guess we will see. There has indeed been an increase in sightings and stories.

Well, the Bible said that Israel would come back as a nation one day. That happened in 1948. So I believe that if it is written in the Bible, it basically has already happened. We just have not gotten there yet.
Peter

Bobbyq · April 4, 2026, 2:58pm

If you are a pre-tribber as I am, the Holy Spirit is removed(the One who prevents is taken away) when the Church is raptured at the start of the Tribulation(Daniel’s 70th week,7 years). Then the Antichrist is revealed and makes a false peace with the Jews and agrees to build the Temple. In the middle of the Tribulation he, the Antichrist, goes into the Holy of Holies and declares himself god. That’s when the Jews realize they have been double crossed and they run for their lives as Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew. Then the 7 bowls of wrath are poured out resulting in the Great Tribulation.

TheologyNerd · April 5, 2026, 3:19am

This prophecy was fulfilled in 70 AD. Jesus accurately prophesied the desecration and destruction of the Temple during His earthly ministry, and that is what the Olivet Discourse is talking about.

PeterC · April 5, 2026, 8:01am

Not true. Sorry. Too many things have NOT taken place to prove that this is a future event. You’re missing the forest for the trees. The details are important, but they’re blocking your view of the whole. Truth becomes distorted when examined only through fragments.

Let’s look at some.

The Four Horsemen: Representing conquest, civil war, famine, and widespread death.

The Sixth Seal: A massive global earthquake and cosmic disturbances where the “sun becomes black” and “the moon becomes like blood.”

Following the seals, the Seven Trumpets (Chapters 8–9) describe ecological and supernatural disasters:

Destruction of one-third of the Earth’s vegetation and trees.
One-third of the oceans is turning to blood.
The release of “locusts” from the bottomless pit to torment inhabitants of the earth.

The mobilization of a 200-million-man army.
Revelation 13 describes the emergence of a global political and religious system.

The Sea Beast (The Antichrist): A world leader who receives a “fatal wound” that is healed and governs the earth for 42 months.

The Earth Beast (The False Prophet): A figure who performs signs and enforces the Mark of the Beast, a requirement for buying or selling

Considered the “final” outpouring of divine wrath (Chapter 16), these include:

Malignant sores on those with the Mark.
The complete turning of the sea and rivers into blood (not just one-third).
Scorching heat from the sun.

The Second Coming and the Millennium
The Marriage Supper of the Lamb: The celebration of Christ and his followers.

The return of Christ: Described in Chapter 19 as a rider on a white horse who defeats the Beast and the False Prophet.

The Millennial Reign: A 1,000-year period (Chapter 20) where Satan is bound, and Christ reigns on Earth.

The Great White Throne Judgment: The final judgment of all humanity.
The New Heavens and New Earth: The total renewal of creation, where “death shall be no more.”

The New Jerusalem: A massive, jewel-encrusted city descending from heaven.

Since none of this has happened, we are still waiting for His Return.
Peter

PeterC · April 5, 2026, 8:22am

Hey @Bobbyq, the truth is, I am not sure about the timing. I used to believe as you. I also believed that the Church would be “caught up” (the Rapture) to meet Christ in the air before the seven-year Tribulation begins.

The Church is not appointed to wrath.

" For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ," 1 Thessalonians 5:9

Did you know that the word “Church” does not appear in Revelation between chapters 4 and 19?
So does that mean the Church is preserved from the entire period of global judgment?

What about Midtribulationism? This view holds that the Church will endure the first half of the Tribulation (3.5 years), which is characterized by human-led conflict and political upheaval, but will be raptured before the “Great Tribulation.”

Some believe that it distinguishes between the “sorrows” of the first half and the “wrath of God” in the second half. This often aligns with the “Seventh Trumpet” mentioned in Revelation 11.

> “Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, 'The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.” Revelation 11:15

The Church experiences the rise of the Antichrist but avoids the final Bowl Judgments.

Then you have the Posttribulationism. This perspective suggests that the Rapture and the Second Coming are part of the same event occurring at the end of the seven-year Tribulation.

Some passages could very well line up with this. Passages where Christ tells believers they will face “tribulation” and look for the “elect” to be gathered after the sun is darkened, Matthew 24:29-31.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. " Matthew 24:29-31

The Church remains on Earth throughout the entire seven years, protected by God’s grace while witnessing to the world, and meets Christ as He descends to establish His kingdom.

As I said, I used to believe in the Pre-Trib. However, after closer examination of the Word? I’m not sure. But this I do know, without Jesus, it will be a bad time. With Jesus, we will be protected either way, and in the end, we will be with Him.
Peter

Bobbyq · April 5, 2026, 12:14pm

All certainly possible and debated by people much smarter than me. I used to be a mid-tribber because of the wrath issue you pointed out. However, I now believe that the last 7 years are the 70th week of Daniel fulfillment and has nothing to do with the church but of God’s promises to Israel. If the plan of salvation is to be carried out by the church it seems inconceivable that we are not mentioned at all during the tribulation. The evangelizing of the world during that time will be up to the 144,000 Jews what are marked at the beginning of the tribulation, the Two Witnesses, and the angel flying through the air proclaiming the gospel ie “the end will not vome until the gospel is preached to the whole world”. These efforts will result in millions of “tribulation saints. These are the elect He gathers that you spoke of.

Another. Indication of pre-trib is 4:1. Sounds like the passage in Thessalonians about the “caught up”. Other reasons of my position on the Rapture but running out of time. Got to go to church

You mentioned all three Rapture theories but you forgot one. Pan-trib. Whatever pans out

Corlove13 · April 5, 2026, 12:54pm

Key Interpretations of the Abomination of Desolation:

Historical Fulfillment (Antiochus IV): Many scholars view this as a reference to 167 BC, when Antiochus IV Epiphanes polluted the Jewish temple by offering pig’s blood, a symbolic act of idolatry that led to intense persecution.
Historical Fulfillment (AD 70): It is often interpreted as the Roman armies (the “abomination”) destroying the Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70, causing “desolation”.
Symbolic/Future Interpretation: It is often seen as a foreshadowing of the Antichrist or “satan’s little season,” representing a spiritual attack on the church or a final, ultimate desecration of God’s people in the last days.
Spiritualized/Typological View: Some interpretations focus on the phrase as representing false, idolatrous worship that defiles the spiritual temple of the church.

TheologyNerd · April 5, 2026, 6:45pm

Even if I were to agree that all the things mentioned coming from the Revelation were still yet future (I don’t agree with that, but for the sake of argument), the Olivet Discourse describes what happened to the Temple in 70 AD–that’s where the abomination that causes desolation is relevant.

The Olivet Discourse doesn’t exclusively deal with the destruction of the Temple. When Jesus said the Temple would be destroyed, this prompted His disciples to ask, when that would happen, when the end would come, and about His coming.

Jesus answers all three questions, in different ways.

Jesus tells them that when they see things like wars and natural disasters, that these are not the signs of the end, but are birth pains. Jesus says that His followers would be persecuted and suffer, and then speaks of the destruction of the Temple. Then Jesus talks about His return, saying no one except God the Father knows when He will return, and that His return and the Day of Judgment will be like the flood in Noah’s time. People will be going about their daily routines when suddenly destruction happens–He emphasizes that the servants do not know when the master will return, the virgins need to bring enough oil to wait out the night until the bridegroom comes.

The only specific signs Jesus gives is about the destruction of the Temple. Concerning the end of the age and His coming in glory He doesn’t provide us with signs to look for, but tells us these things come without warning, and so His followers must always be faithful and watchful.

As for the Revelation. I’m Amil, so I believe the Millennium is right now, and has been for the last two thousand years. Christ is enthroned at the right hand of the Father. Christ is King and Lord over His Messianic Kingdom, He rules as King of kings and Lord of lords in the heavens and through His Church. The day will come when, all things being made subject to Him, He returns and that is the conclusion of history as we know it, God will make all things new.

I don’t believe Revelation 13 speaks of a global political and religious system. It speaks of the Beast, most directly Nero whose name is 666 (or 616 as per some ancient variant manuscript readings). But is intended more as a larger condemnation of the oppressive Roman power structure of the time which, is drunk on the blood of holy martyrs. From Nero to Diocletian Rome claimed the lives of countless holy saints of God. And even after the political reforms under Constantine and his successors, the Church has never gone without suffering somewhere in the world under cruel and intolerant tyrants. Even today in many places Christians still suffer for the sake of Jesus.

As for the seals, trumpets, bowls, etc–these describe God’s judgments on the wickedness of the earth. I don’t know that any of them should be taken literally. Apocalyptic literature being what it is means we should read it contextually. Apocalypses aren’t meant to be taken literally. There isn’t literally a monster that comes out of the sea, there isn’t literally a harlot who rides a beast, there isn’t literally a bottomless pit with chimeric locusts. Jesus doesn’t literally return on a white horse with a literal sword.

What the Apocalypse tells us is that the victory of God is secured, not through the might and power of the world, but through the Crucified and Risen Lamb who is seated at the right hand of God on His throne, and who will come again on the Last Day, and that God will set all things to rights.

PeterC · April 6, 2026, 9:45am

Well, here lies the problem. Along with this.

That is an easy way to wave off what the Revelations says.