The Glorious Security of the Children of God

Warning passages should not be made to overturn clear doctrinal passages. Paul plainly teaches elsewhere that believers are sealed until the day of redemption (Eph. 4:30), that the Spirit is the guarantee (ἀρραβών) of our inheritance (Eph. 1:13–14), and that those whom God justifies He also glorifies (Rom. 8:30). Any interpretation of a warning passage must be reconciled with those explicit affirmations, not set against them. That is simply applying the principle of letting the clearer texts illuminate the more difficult ones.

This is not a case of pitting Scripture against Scripture. It is allowing the clear and explicit passages to interpret those that are more difficult, paradoxical, and debated. The real issue is that many simply assume Paul or the author of Hebrews is teaching the loss of salvation without first proving that from the text itself. We must let the inspired author say what he actually says, not what our theological system expects him to say.

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J.

Amen J! When it says “fallen away,” it means fallen away, not from salvation but from the doctrine of salvation, which they were hypocritical about.

In the Greek text of Hebrews 6:4-6, the author describes people who have been “enlightened,” “tasted the heavenly gift,” and “shared in the Holy Spirit.” There is no linguistic way to argue these are false believers; these are descriptions of true, regenerate Christians. The text says it is impossible to restore them while they are crucifying the Son of God anew.

The “guarantee” of the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13-14) is a deposit securing our inheritance provided we remain in Christ. A guarantee or a covenant seal protects you from outside forces, but it does not lock you in a cage if you choose to break the covenant and walk away.

You asked for explicit verses showing someone who was united to Christ becoming separated or lost. Here are the clearest scriptural answers to that specific request.

John 15:2, 6 (Jesus’ Own Words):

“Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away… If anyone does not abide in me, he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.”

You cannot be " in the vine" (united to Christ) unless you are saved. Correct? You cannot be ‘severed’ from Christ unless you were first united to Him. Yet Jesus explicitly states that a branch in Him can be cut off and burned.

“You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.” Galatians 5:4

Paul uses the exact language you claim doesn’t exist. You cannot be “severed” from something you were never attached to, and you cannot “fall from grace” if you were never in it.

In Romans 11:20-22, Paul speaks of the Gentiles being grafted into the olive tree (salvation) by faith. He warns:

“Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.”

Just some food for thought.
Peter

Hi Brother! I agree that Heb 6 is describing genuine believers, but there’s nowhere that it actually demonstrates anyone falling because of the word “if” (6:4). This is just a supposition, and its intention is to demonstrate that it would be impossible to crucify the Son again, seeing it would be required again, “if” they wanted to be re-saved (an impossibility).

Since there is no Scripture that ever shows anyone being saved, then lost again, and saved again. The intention is that they could never again be saved. But the intention of verse 9 is to confirm they will continue in the “things that accompany salvation.”

Correct @NetChaplian however…

The question is not whether the people described in Hebrews 6:4–6 experienced remarkable spiritual privileges, they clearly did. The question is whether the grammar requires us to conclude that they were genuinely regenerated. I do not believe it does.

The author uses a series of aorist participles to describe this group: they had been enlightened (φωτισθέντας), had tasted the heavenly gift (γευσαμένους), had become partakers of the Holy Spirit (μετόχους γενηθέντας Πνεύματος Ἁγίου), had tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come (γευσαμένους), and then had fallen away (παραπεσόντας).

Grammatically, these participles describe one group of people, but nowhere does the author use the New Testament’s normal vocabulary for regeneration. He does not say they were “born again” (γεννάω ἄνωθεν), “born of God” (γεγέννηται ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ), “made alive together with Christ” (συνεζωοποίησεν), “justified,” “sealed,” or “adopted.” Those omissions are significant.

The strongest argument against identifying these people as genuinely regenerate comes only a few verses later. In Hebrews 6:9 the author says, “But, beloved, we are persuaded of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation.”

The Greek expression τὰ ἐχόμενα σωτηρίας (“the things accompanying salvation”) distinguishes the readers from the description in verses 4–6. If the experiences listed in verses 4–6 were themselves the unmistakable marks of regeneration, then the author’s statement in verse 9 becomes strangely redundant. Instead, he implies that there are evidences that truly accompany salvation, and he is confident his readers possess those.

The illustration in verses 7–8 confirms this interpretation. Both fields receive the same rain from heaven. Both enjoy the same external blessings. Yet one bears useful vegetation while the other produces thorns and thistles. The difference is not in the rain but in the nature of the soil. Likewise, people may experience profound covenant privileges, hear the gospel, witness the Spirit’s work, taste the blessings of the Christian community, and yet remain unregenerate. The true evidence of saving faith is not merely exposure to divine blessings but the fruit that follows.

This interpretation also harmonizes with the broader teaching of Scripture. Judas Iscariot ministered with the Twelve, witnessed Christ’s miracles, and was entrusted with apostolic responsibilities, yet Jesus called him “a devil” (John 6:70). Many in Matthew 7:22–23 prophesied, cast out demons, and performed mighty works in Christ’s name, yet He declared, “I never knew you.” Notice He did not say, “I knew you once.” He said, “I never knew you.” Their experiences were real, but they were never saving.

Therefore, I do not believe Hebrews 6:4–6 teaches that genuinely regenerated believers lose their salvation. Rather, the grammar describes people who experienced extraordinary covenant privileges and the powerful ministry of the Holy Spirit within the visible church, yet who stopped short of true saving faith. Their apostasy demonstrates not the loss of regeneration but the absence of the “things that accompany salvation,” which the author expressly distinguishes in verse 9.

Just my 2 cents.

J.

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I like the way you put this, but not many commentators interpret these passages as those who were saved then could become lost. I just see the possibility of them becoming lost as an “impossible” presumption because of the word “if.” It’s not assuming the possibility that they could become lost, nor is it presenting they were not saved.

I would take a look at what Albert Barnes (1789-1870) commentates!

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Brother, I’ve changed my position on Hebrews 6. I now believe the passage is describing genuine, born-again believers.

  1. καλὸν γευσαμένους θεοῦ ῥῆμα. “That the word of God is good.” The verb “taste,” which in the previous verse is constructed with the genitive (as in the classical Greek), is here followed by an accusative, as is more common in Hellenistic Greek. It is difficult to establish any difference in meaning between the constructions, though the latter may imply something which is more habitual—“feeding on.”

But possibly the accusative is only used to avoid any entanglement with the genitive “of God” which follows it. There is however no excuse for the attempt of Calvin and others, in the interests of their dogmatic bias, to make “taste of” mean only “have an inkling of” without any deep or real participation; and to make the beauty (καλόν) of the “utterance of God” in this place only imply its contrast to the rigour of the Mosaic Law. The metaphor means “to partake of,” and “enjoy,” as in Philo, who speaks of one “who has quaffed much pure wine of God’s benevolent power, and banqueted upon sacred words and doctrines” (De proem. et poen. Opp. I. 428). Philo also speaks of the utterance (ῥῆμα) of God, and of its nourishing the soul like manna (Opp. I. 120, 564). The references to Philo are always to Mangey’s edition. The names of the special tracts and chapters may be found in my Early Days of Christianity, II. 541–543, and passim.

δυνάμεις τε μέλλοντος αἰῶνος. Here again it is not easy to see what is exactly intended by “the powers of the Future Age.” If the Future Age be the Olam habba of the Jews, i.e. the Messianic age, then its “powers” may be as St Chrysostom said, “the earnest of the Spirit,” or the powers mentioned in Heb_2:4; Gal_3:5. If on the other hand it mean “the world to come” its “powers” bring the foretaste of its glorious fruition.

It will, then, be seen that we cannot attach a definitely certain or exact meaning to the separate expressions; on the other hand nothing can be clearer than the fact that, but for dogmatic prepossessions, no one would have dreamed of explaining them to mean anything less than full conversion.

That they are such as properly denote a renewed state. They obviously describe the condition of a Christian; and though it may be not certain that any one of them if taken by itself would prove that the person to whom it was applied was truly converted, yet taken together it is clear that they are designed to describe such a state. If they are not, it would be difficult to find any language which would be properly descriptive of the character of a sincere Christian. I regard the description here, therefore, as what is clearly designed to denote the state of those who were born again, and were the true children of God; and it seems plain to me that no other interpretation would have ever been thought of if this view had not seemed to conflict with the doctrine of the “perseverance of the saints.”

(2) There is a regular gradation here from the first elements of piety in the soul to its highest developments; and, whether the apostle so designed it or not, the language describes the successive steps by which a true Christian advances to the highest stage of Christian experience. The mind is:
(a) Enlightened; then.
(b) Tastes the gift of heaven, or has some experience of it; then.
(c) It is made to partake of the influences of the Holy Spirit; then.
(d) There is experience of the excellence and loveliness of the Word of God; and,
(e) Finally there is a participation of the full “powers” of the new dispensation; of the extraordinary energy which God puts forth in the gospel to sanctify and save the soul.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

It is impossible to renew them again (adunaton palin anakainizein). The adunaton (impossible) comes first in Heb_6:4 without estin (is) and there is no “them” in the Greek. There are three other instances of adunaton in Hebrews (Heb_6:18; Heb_10:4; Heb_11:6). The present active infinitive of anakainizō (late verb, ana, kainos, here only in the N.T., but anakainoō, 2Co_4:16; Col_3:10) with adunaton bluntly denies the possibility of renewal for apostates from Christ (cf. 3:12-4:2). It is a terrible picture and cannot be toned down. The one ray of light comes in Heb_6:8-12, not here.
Seeing they crucify to themselves afresh (anastraurountas heautois). Present active participle (accusative plural agreeing with tous … parapesontas) of anastauroō, the usual verb for crucify in the old Greek so that ana- here does not mean “again” or “afresh,” but “up,” sursum, not rursum (Vulgate). This is the reason why renewal for such apostates is impossible. They crucify Christ.
And put him to an open shame (kai paradeigmatizontas). Present active participle of paradeigmatizō, late verb from paradeigma (example), to make an example of, and in bad sense to expose to disgrace. Simplex verb deigmatisai in this sense in Mat_1:19.
RWP

The difficulty here, as I see it, is that the Greek text does not introduce the warning with the conditional particle εἰ (“if”). @NetChaplian

Cambridge & Lange.

J.

Your list is perfect, but may I know who the “true children of God” are?

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I think you place a massive amount of weight on the word “if” in verse 4 (“if they fall away”), arguing that it’s just a supposition. Here is the problem with his argument: In the original Greek text, the word “if” isn’t actually there. Hebrews uses a string of ongoing Greek participles to describe these people. A literal translation of Hebrews 6:4-6 reads more like this:

“For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit… and have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance…”

Many translations (like the KJV or NIV) added the word “if” to make the English flow better, but newer, more literal translations (like the ESV or NASB) correctly render it as " and then have fallen away." The writer isn’t posing a hypothetical; he is describing a real, tragic path a genuine believer can take.

You said, “There is no Scripture that ever shows anyone being saved, then lost again, and saved again.”

Although you are technically right about that, you seem to be arguing against a point I didn’t make. My point was that a person can break the covenant and walk away (permanently). I didn’t argue that salvation is a spiritual rubber band where you lose it on Monday, get it back on Tuesday, and lose it again on Wednesday. The text says that if someone completely apostatizes (falls away) after knowing Christ, it is impossible to restore them. It’s a one-way door out, not a revolving door.
Peter

Amen!

If the “Future Age” refers to what the first-century Jews called the Olam Habba (the Messianic Age), then we are living in it right now. The “powers” are the everyday miracles, spiritual gifts, and the “earnest” (deposit/guarantee) of the Holy Spirit active in the Church today, referencing Hebrews 2:4 and Galatians 3:5.

If this is what the text means, it aligns with what we are discussing. It means these people had genuinely experienced the authentic, supernatural power of the Holy Spirit in the current church age before they fell away.

“If they are not, it would be difficult to find any language which would be properly descriptive of the character of a sincere Christian.”

Yes. If being “enlightened,” “tasting the heavenly gift,” and “sharing in the Holy Spirit” doesn’t mean someone is saved, then none of us can be sure we are saved based on the language of the New Testament. Taken together, these words can only describe a born-again child of God.
Peter

Ah! That is the question, the very crux of the matter. A thought-provoking question indeed, @NetChaplian.

Mat 13:1 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat beside the sea.
Mat 13:2 And great crowds gathered about him, so that he got into a boat and sat down. And the whole crowd stood on the beach.
Mat 13:3 And he told them many things in parables, saying: “A sower went out to sow.
Mat 13:4 And as he sowed, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them.
Mat 13:5 Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and immediately they sprang up, since they had no depth of soil,
Mat 13:6 but when the sun rose they were scorched. And since they had no root, they withered away.
Mat 13:7 Other seeds fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked them.
Mat 13:8 Other seeds fell on good soil and produced grain, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Mat 13:9 He who has ears, let him hear.”

2Ti 2:14 Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness,
2Ti 2:17 and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,
2Ti 2:18 who have swerved from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already happened. They are upsetting the faith of some.
2Ti 2:19 But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”

Paul’s exhortation is beautifully balanced. We are not to engage in fruitless quarrels or empty speculation, yet neither are we to neglect the faithful handling of God’s Word. The Lord knows those who are His, but that sovereign truth is immediately coupled with a clear imperative: “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.” Doctrine and holy living are never divorced in Scripture.

J.

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I know the "If’ is not in any copies of manuscripts, but the KJV translators often insert inferences for assisting understanding. The supposition concerns the idea that Christians could become non-Christian, which is the crux of the passage that intends this is “impossible.”

It’s ok if we continue this debate but it usually doesn’t assist in understanding it; like many passages that Scripture describes which are difficult to understand.

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