I really had this question on my heart. The reason I might explain latter. I had got out of church. The preacher was old school. 89 years old. He was walking across the yard and I stopped him. My questain came to mind during his sermon. What you you think about the kingdom of god? He looked at me with fierce eyes. Paused. But eyes straight thru me. Kid you not. His words were this. In the kingdom of god he is king!!! We both looked to the ground and that answered all my questains. No more discussion no more words he started walking at the same time I did.
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He answered it correctly, and he answered it biblically, even without a sermon attached.
The kingdom of God is first and foremost about God’s rule, not our questions, preferences, or systems. Scripture defines it that way. “The LORD hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all” ~Psalm 103:19. A kingdom is meaningless without a king, and God does not share His throne.
Jesus preached the same truth. When He spoke of the kingdom, He called people to submit, not to debate. “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel” ~Mark 1:15. Repentance makes sense only if there is a King with authority.
That old preacher didn’t dodge the question. He went straight to the heart of it. In the kingdom of God, God is King. That settles who rules, who obeys, and who does not get to redefine the terms. When you see that clearly, a lot of questions fall silent, just like Scripture says, “Be still, and know that I am God” ~Psalm 46:10.
Sometimes the most biblical answer is the simplest one, spoken with the weight of truth behind it.
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It was an experience out of my understanding. when our eyes hit the ground after his words, in my mind we were both bowing down. it was like a prayer without words. like a truth spoken that carried no room for questains.
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Amazing. Something to always remember.
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Hello, greetings in Christ Jesus.
I’m a newbie. My name is Oseas (Hosea, in English). I’m from Brazil, English is not my native language. I really enjoy talking about the Holy Scriptures. I found this site through a Yahoo search. Praise be to God.
Regarding GOD’s Kingdom, in my understanding it will first be a millennial Kingdom, and is established in the seventh and last Day, the Lord’s Day, or seventh and last millennium, based in Revelation 20:1 to 6. But it will be for ever and ever.
Also, in my understanding, the Kingdom of GOD is the 3rd heavenly place→(the 1st was the Old Testament, the 2nd is the New Testament), its wonderful picture is unspeakable as Paul said in 2Corinthians 12:2-4 combined with Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on..
Revelation 11:15-18KJV
**15 **And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
**16 **And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped GOD,
**17 **Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord GOD Almighty~>JESUS→, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
2Peter 3:11-13
**11 **Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
**12 **Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of GOD→(seventh and last Day, the Lord’s Day, or seventh and last millennium), wherein the heavens being on fire shall be DISSOLVED, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
**13 **Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens(THIRD HEAVEN) and a new earth(new Israel), wherein dwelleth righteousness. →(with JESUS , in His coming).
May our Lord GOD bless us and keep us, and gie us is protection
Amen.
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Welcome @Oseas. Nice to see you hear. There are many opinions on end time prophecy and each opinion is supported by Scripture. It takes quite a bit to go through the Word putting all references in toe to discover the truth. Thankfully our salvation is not based on what we believe in this area, but on what we believe about Jesus. Your view is interesting, and in keeping an open mind, possibly right. My view is different and different is ok. Be blessed.
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All things in heaven and earth will be united in Christ. The future earthly kingdom will be united with the heavenly kingdom. Today those in the body of Christ have already been translated into the heaven;y kingdom. At the end of the millennial kingdom with the new heaven and new earth, all will be under Christ.
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But the kingdom of god is hear and us who have been baptized with fire and spirit have seen it. We are just waiting for the rightfully heir. That will pull the nations. Then the gentiles shall rest.
Good post. The Kingdom of GOD is a conquer, and will be conquered as is writen in Daniel 7:22 and 26-27:
**22 **Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. → (1Corinthians 6:2-3, take a look).
**26 **But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
**27 **And the Kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom UNDER the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.
Amen.
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I believe“the future earthly kingdom” will be like the Garden of GOD,Garden of Eden:→Acts3:18-21 and Luke 20:35-36. For “those in the body of Christ”, JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said:”John 17:22-26KJV:
**24 **Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
**25 **O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
**26 **And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. .
**22 **And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
**23 **I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in One; and that the WORLD may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Amen.
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Amen. I agree.
I’m so happy to hear from you. Thank you very much for your kind words.
However, what is your point? Just curious.
Be you also blessed.
Hi @Oseas
I didn’t think of myself as making a point. I was saying there are so many different views when it comes to future prophecy. I think that is why most churches don’t delve into it. It’s not a salvation issue and there are some things we can know and other things that are still not known. That’s all I was saying. It might have been better if I left that out. Live and learn. It’s nice to meet you and I hope you find this forum a great place for conversation!
Hi @Bestill
Thank you very much for your kind reply, brother.
Yes, you are right, “there are so many different views when it comes to future prophecy”.
In my understanding, in trying to discern the cause of this undesirable problem, the difference occurs because many interpret Scriptures by the letter, this kind of interpretation is MORTAL/deaddly, and, in the other hand , many interpret Scriptures by by the Spirit, and is Life. → John 5:24:-> Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my Word, said JESUS, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from DEATH unto LIFE. It’s wonderful. → And the angel of the Lord, John the Baptist, said: John 3:31-36: → 31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that GOD is true.
34 For he whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the WRATH of GOD abideth on him.
I agree when you say->“there are some things we can know and other things that are still not known”.
->1Corinthians 13:9-10:-> We know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. → And Matthew 25:29 says: Unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. ->(Terrible, very terrible).
As you said, " Live and learn." Yes, perfect, and walking with JESUS side by side, we can learn much more, with Him. ->Matthew 18:20, take a look, this is real here with us although you be in USA and me in Brazil. It means Immanuel.
It’s nice to meet you too, thank you for your kind words.
May our Lord GOD bless us and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen.
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Immanuel, a name beep in my thoughts. You said this means Immanuel. For you know he is the rightful heir. he was who the jews were looking for. And when some guy named jesus from where he came from, outcasts is how I took it. Nothing good came out of Nazareth. They tripped out, called it blasphemy. Killed him. So I’ve been searching trying to link jesus with Emmanuel. He was supposed to return the kingdom to the gews. Another reason they killed him, from what I understand. But what do I know I’m just a hungry fool.
Another thing that ran thru my mind while reading scripture… Emanuel is the overcomer and jesus gives him the morning star. Unless jesus was actually Emanuel. But would it not be a lie then idk. But I sure do love mystery. The bible sure does define mystery does it not.
@Oseas, just letting you know that I’m your sister. It’s so hard to tell by the handle we all use.
Isaiah 53:3-12, combined with Isaiah 9:6-7 and Revelation 11:15-19, among many other Scriptures, offers a perfect and celestial explanation for all these thoughts of yours expressed above.
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Interesting point of yours.
The children mentioned in the Word of GODod (the Word is God), mentioned in Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 9:6, are two distinct children.
Isaiah 9:6-7 speaks of Jesus, but Isaiah 7:14 refers to another person, of course.→ Jesus never needed to know to refuse evil and choose good, but the child in Isaiah 7:14 did. However, both are Emanuel. JESUS is the Word made flesh, the Word is GOD..
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So I am your brother in Chris JESUS, Oh glad to meet you. Our Lord JESUS in His prayer, said to the Father : John 17:22:-> The glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Amen.
GOD bless you and your family
My name in English language is Hosea, name of one of the minor prophets of our Lord.
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I know it’s a tough debate. I’ve read Isiah 53 so many times. And to this day am uncertain who they are referring to. Somtimes I believe it’s jesus. Somtimes I feel it’s someone else. Why would need to prolong his days. Is he not the god of time? That’s where I had to come to the conclusion he is being tought like us all. But everyone tripped out on that idea. Why would he have to see the light and be satisfied. Is he not the light. Sounds like doubt. God dont doubt. He knows everything. And why does anything have to be given to him. He owns everything he is god. Im almost certain Isiah 53 is not referring to jesus. I think it’s one of those mysteries of gods that have a time to be revealed.