It’s because that is how GOD Himself addressed them, as “ten tribes”. (1 Kings 11:30-38).
And the fact that He said He gave “ten tribes” to Jeroboam and made Jeroboam “king over Israel” means Jeroboam, whose capital city was in the north at Samaria, would reign over 10 tribes located… where? In the south below Judah, or among Judah which Solomon’s son Rehoboam was king over? NO, that just doesn’t make sense.
So we have to… realize that all 10 tribes dwelt in the northern part of the holy land, and even the fact that the kings of Assyria replaced the ten tribes with foreigners from five provinces of Babylon who became the Samaritans, also proves all 10 were in the north under Jeroboam. For the Jews of the southern “kingdom of Judah” at Jerusalem-Judea would have nothing to do with the Samaritans in the north. Even Christ’s disciples questioned Lord Jesus speaking to the Samaritan woman at the well (John 4).
@DavyP
I appreciate your lengthy defense of Biblical references. You have studied long and hard, no doubt. Most of the things you are defending I already told you I am not questioning. I believe the bible, just like you do.
I don’t think we can discuss all the various biblical references you reference until you answer my original question.
I tried very hard to be plain with my question; I tried to ask plainly, I put it in quotes, I made the text bold, and I even underlined it. I even offered multiple other translations of the verse in question.
I’m asking did you add the words “over the ten northern tribes” when you referenced 1 K 15:9, or do you have some translation that has those words in that verse? If so, can you point me to it?
This is important to me.
Let’s get past this before we move on, please.
Sorry KP, but you simply are straining at a gnat. Apparently you don’t understand what moving any… of the ten tribes south under Judah’s reign would be calling God a liar.
We have many Old Testament Scriptures that describe the ten tribes with Ephraim as its head tribe, and involving its capital city in the north at Samaria, and various separations between the two kingdoms made by God Himself in Scripture. So I do not see any problem with the idea of northern ten tribes.
And if you still want to claim that the tribe of Simeon was ally with the “house of Judah”, then you just DELETED what God promised Jeroboam down to NINE tribes. So at times in God’s Word, it’s also about using common sense instead of being stuck on phrases like a broken record.
Also see this link, though I totally disagree with them on the lost ten tribes NOT losing their heritage as Israel. They did lose it, as the majority of the ten tribes still today do not know who they are; they think they are Gentiles.
These 10 tribes obviously included Simeon. No problem, no one is calling God a liar. I’m not questioning any of that. I never “claimed that the tribe of Simeon was ally with the “house of Judah”. That’s nonsense. Your words, not mine.
I still want to know, in your post #13 when you referenced 1 K 15:9, did you add the words “over the ten northern tribes”, or do you have some translation that has those words in that verse?
Even if you consider my question “straining at a gnat”, please don’t try to explain anything else to me until you answer this one question. Then we can proceed.
1 Kings 11:35 35 But I will take the kingdom out of his son’s hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes. KJV
1 Kings 11:37
37 And I will take thee, and thou shalt reign according to all that thy soul desireth, and shalt be king over Israel.
KJV
At some point in the history of Simeon, it had to have had a northern migration among the northern tribes in order to be counted taken with them captive by the kings of Assyria.
Per the Joshua 19 list, Judah is mentioned as possessors of the southern territory where maps say the tribe of Simeon was. Thus Simeon’s original inheritance was inside the territory of Judah. But after the captivities, the tribe of Simeon drops out of history, until it is shown added back in final per Ezekiel 48.
2 Chron 15:9
9 And he gathered all Judah and Benjamin, and the strangers with them out of Ephraim and Manasseh, and out of Simeon: for they fell to him out of Israel in abundance, when they saw that the LORD his God was with him.
KJV
I understand that is your conclusion from the text, and I am not disagreeing with your conlusion. But you have not answered my question about when you referenced 1 K 15:9, your post #13. Did you add the words “over the ten northern tribes”, or do you have some translation that has those words in that verse?
In my post 13, I referred to Asa regarding 1 Kings 15, and then I posted Scripture from 2 Chronicles 15. So I think you are confusing that.
We don’t find the name Jesus written in The Old Testament either, but that does not mean He is not spoken of there. Likewise, we are not told exactly where Jeremiah went with the “king’s daughters” to “build and to plant” per Jeremiah 1:10. Some things based on what is written are obvious; other things are not. And Simeon being counted among the northern tribes to make up 10 northern tribes taken captive by the kings of Assyria, automatically assumes Simeon at some point involving God’s split of old Israel migrated north with the other tribes of Israel under Jeroboam. And that’s the end of it. If you got complaints still about it, I suggest you pray to our Heavenly Father in the Name of Lord Jesus Christ.