This thread is for poster @TheQuestion to explain a few scriptures. Please explain them one at a time. Thank you my friend.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. —
John 20:28 Thomas responded to him, 'My Lord and my God!
Romans 9:5 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the temple service, and the promises. The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent, came the Christ, who is God over all, praised forever. Amen. — Romans 9:4-5
Titus 2:13 while we wait for the blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 9:6
For a child will be born for us,
a son will be given to us,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
He will be named
Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. —
I don’t read greek and hebrew so bear with me. The English interpretations that I read say that God made Moses “like” God but John chapter 1 said that Jesus was God. So isn’t there a difference there?
@TheQuestion Exodus chapter 7 is interesting. Are you saying that Jesus was just like Moses and only a man? Why then is Jesus called the only begotten if he was just a man like moses? Don’t you see a difference there between Moses and Jesus? Everything including Moses was created through Jesus as scripture says. How then is Jesus a mere man if he existed before mankind?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. **2 **He was in the beginning with God. **3 **All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. **4 **In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. **5 **And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [a]comprehend it.
You didn’t answer my two questions. Note that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. Moses was alive before Jesus was born and is not the only begotten. There is only one only begotten and it wasnt Moses. There is a clear difference between Moses and Jesus there. Also, Jesus, the “Word”, existed before mankind and everything was created through Jesus. Again there is a clear difference between Moses and Jesus. Please explain that, my friend
@TheQuestion Lets also talk about the Isaiah scripture. In your opinion, was Moses called the eternal father? And the wonderful counselor? Isn’t the holy spirit the counselor? Isn’t Jesus the spirit?
Isa 9:6 For a child was born to us; a son was given to us, of whom the sovereignty became upon his shoulder; and [is called his name], [of great counsel Messenger], wonderful, counselor, [God mighty], potentate, ruler of peace, father of the [about to be eon]. For I will bring peace upon the rulers, and his health.
Isa 9:7 And great is his sovereignty, and of his peace there is no end upon the throne of David, and his kingdom to set it up and to take hold in judgment; even with righteousness from the present and into the eon. The zeal of the LORD of Hosts shall do these things.
LXX.
@TheQuestion all this debate has done is made me believe in one God represented in three ways. Its mysterious and I dont claim to understand it but maybe God did that to frustrate the unbelieving Jews like he seems to have done in John chapter 6 with the eating of Jesus flesh. I dont really know for sure but Jesus spoke in parables so they wouldn’t understand. If I am understanding Matthew chapter 13 correctly.
Matthew 13:**10 **And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
**11 **He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the [a]mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. **12 **For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. **13 **Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. **14 **And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:
‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
**15 **For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I [b]should heal them.’
@TheQuestion by “name calling” i refer to you calling me a polytheist. I dont know exactly how to understand this topic but im leaning towards one God not three. One God seen three different ways. But even if thats not correct you still haven’t answered my two questions.