What do you guys think? Politics 100% aside…Did his post cross a line?
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What’s really interesting to me (again, politics aside) is that since this image was posted, searches about the antichrist, false prophets, and end times have been trending. Here’s a really popular article from Christianity.com that keeps resurfacing:
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He made a very inappropriate post. Politics should be aside from Faith.
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All of his AI generated posts cross lines. from the AI video of him dropping feces on protestors, to michelle and barack Obama as monkeys, and now this. he’s nothing but a chronically online wannabe.
A lot of liberals have no sense of humor. I would suspect that he saw the image and thought it was clever and posted it. People who do have a sense of humor do not generally scrutinize everything they run across to see if it is pure.
Trump has unabashedly done things like this before. It is part of the openness of his personality.
People suggest he should be more circumspect. However, his personality (with it’s flaws) is nothing if not consistent.
i didnt look at his post, im the type of person who thinks its all a dog and pony show, whether you agree with me or not. so the very little experience i have with this latest “charade” in my mind, i will tell you:
i was sitting in a mexican restaurant the other day when the TV there was silently showing a liberal newscast about this. i rolled my eyes at seeing trump’s name and looked away. but some people who definitely take all this seriously, and were clearly on “the other side” from trump-supporting, sounded pretty dumb to me. a table of 4 people, older adults, discussed it, as they had already heard about it. they asked each other for their take on it. they spoke as talking heads for “the other side”- saying things like, “is it fake news?” “he’s so stupid” “he just wants attention”
i cant quote them exactly, i forget specifics. but the way they talked about it, fully giving in to this bizarre and irrelevant “news” story, i thought to myself, “y’all sound as dumb as the people who support him.” thats my opinrin.
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Nope. Our Founding Fathers thought differently.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." It includes protections for freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and the right to petition the government.
Now this is important. It is the freedom OF religion. Not the freedom FROM religion. The phrase “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” means exactly that. The government cannot establish a national religion as we had in Europe. That we have the God-given right to have God in all aspects of Government and public life.
Those who hate God twisted this around to include this line from a private letter from Thomas Jefferson, “Wall of Separation of Church and State.” They say that this means we cannot have God in schools or any public places. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” Stop. This does not say, “Putting one religion over another.” It does not say, “You cannot have religion in public.” “You cannot teach God in Schools, nor have Prayer in Schools.” This is simply and clearly not true. Christianity is a part of our country’s heritage.
In John Quincy Adams’ 4th of July address, Adams is speaking to the fact that the United States is the only nation in history established by mostly Christian people, founded upon Biblical principles.
“Is it not that in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? – that it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth? – that it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity?”
So what about that “Wall”? Thomas Jefferson was a big supporter of religious liberty. Because of this, he made sure that church and state stayed separate in American politics. He said this.
“And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated, but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.”
He argued that the “Wall” would protect the church from the federal government, rather than the other way around. In Thomas Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptist Association, he wrote this now-famous line.
“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ʺmake no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,ʺ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation on behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.”
The main purpose of this “Wall” was to stop the Federal Government from creating or taking over religion and forcing the people of this country to follow what the “religion" or “church” says. What we fled from to come here. This is why we founded this country in the first place. Religious freedom!
How do you change the future? Start in the schools. Remember this wisdom from President Abraham Lincoln, who said this.
“The philosophy of the schoolroom in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next.”
God was always meant to be part of Government and this country. Not what we have today.
Peter.
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Touché.
Also, touché.
Good points.
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As you said, politics aside, one thing that comes to my mind with this post and other similar incendiary ones he’s made is that people on both sides of the aisle always seem to assume he is being sincere and apparently doesn’t realize how provoking or wrong such posts are.
I actually think he totally realizes how controversial and potentially offensive these kinds of posts are, and that’s why he makes them. I think he is unafraid of criticism (obviously), and even enjoys the backlash and outrage. Is that a good quality? No, but I think it’s human nature to want to provoke people who disagree with you. Again, is it Christ-like? No, but I think when people are outraged they actually play right into his hand. He’s going to keep posting things like this proportionate to peoples’ outrage against them, in my opinion.
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The saying “All press is good press” comes to mind.
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No I do not think Mr President Trump has ever acted like he was Jesus; as a matter of fact; he stated for All you to know he actually brought God & Jesus into his speech No he never said he was Jesus what he said was to be a Christian you need to accept God’s son Jesus! 1 Miracke Child
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Correct.
Rom 13:1 Let every person R16be subject to the governing authorities. For R17there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
Rom 13:2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you R18will receive his approval,
Rom 13:4 for R19he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, R20an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.
Rom 13:5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also R21for the sake of conscience.
This grounds authority ultimately in God’s sovereignty, shaping prayer into submission to His ordering of society.
1Ti 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people,
1Ti 2:2 R22for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and R23dignified in every way.
1Ti 2:3 This is good, and R24it is pleasing in the sight of R25God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires R26all people to be saved and R1to come to R2the knowledge of the truth.
This explicitly commands intercessory prayer for leaders, linking it to peaceful and godly living.
Tit 3:1 Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,
Tit 3:2 to speak evil of no man, not to be fighting, gentle, showing all mildness toward all men.
Tit 3:3 For we also once were foolish, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another.
This directly addresses speech, prohibiting slander and urging a gentle disposition.
1Pe 2:13 Subject yourselves to every human authority for the sake of the Lord, whether to a king as having supreme authority,
1Pe 2:14 or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do good.
1Pe 2:15 For so the will of God is, that by doing good you may silence the ignorance of foolish men.
1Pe 2:16 Live as free men, yet without using your freedom as a cover for evil but live as slaves of God.
1Pe 2:17 Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
1Pe 2:18 Let servants be in subjection to their masters with all due fear, not only to the good and reasonable but also to those hard to please.N10
1Pe 2:19 For this is an agreeable thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly.
This establishes a general ethic of honour that extends even to governing figures.
Acts 23:5
“I did not know, brothers, that he was the high priest, for it is written, ‘You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people’”
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Paul appeals to the law as a basis for restraining verbal contempt toward authorities.**
Jude 1:8 to 9 (contrast principle)
Even Michael the archangel does not bring a reviling judgment against a higher authority but says, “The Lord rebuke you”
This highlights restraint in speech even in spiritual conflict contexts.
J.
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Welcome @miraclechild53
I believe you to be 100 percent correct. The Press hates President Trump and is looking for anything. The fact that he is bold in His faith makes even more people angry.
Peter
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I just do not think it was very professional let’s put it that way.
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while I don’t agree that the president, or anyone should portray themself as Christ, because nobody can be as pure and holy.
I can’t help but think it would make a hilarious t-shirt.
thats probably the joker in me as I love making people laugh,
I would definitely wear it.
On that, we definitely agree.
Peter