Saturday April 18.
J.
@Johann and all
Brothers and sisters in Christ JESUS
All nations are sinful, some more than others, and those who have sinned more will suffer greater and harsher punishments, while those who have sinned less will suffer lesser punishments. North America and present-day Israel are at the top of the list among the most sinful nations, therefore they will suffer harsher punishments, according to the Revelation 6:14-17 and Deuteronomy 28:15-68, combined with Matthew 24:15-25, among many other biblical references. These both will be cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant will be slain with the sword of him that sits upon the white horse, which sword proceeds out of his mouth.
Be you prepared, otherwise get ready. → Revelation 16:13-15.
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Brother @Oseas
Your conclusion goes well beyond what the cited texts actually teach and blends categories the Bible keeps distinct. In passages like Book of Deuteronomy 28:15–68, the covenant curses are addressed specifically to Israel under the Mosaic covenant, not to all modern nation-states.
Likewise, the imagery in Book of Revelation 6:14–17 and elsewhere is apocalyptic and symbolic, portraying the final judgment of the wicked in general rather than naming particular contemporary countries such as North America or Israel. When Jesus Christ speaks in Gospel of Matthew 24:15–25, He is addressing events tied to the first-century destruction of Jerusalem and typological patterns of tribulation, not offering a direct map of modern geopolitics. Scripture does affirm that all nations are accountable to God and that judgment is just, but it does not provide a framework for ranking present-day nations by sinfulness or declaring that specific modern states will be uniquely cast into the lake of fire.
The consistent biblical emphasis is that final judgment falls on the unrepentant across all peoples, while salvation and deliverance are found in Christ, not in national identity.
Who is Steven Avery on that forum?
Regards.
J.
@Johann
Greetings in Christ JESUS
Thank you or your reply,
Johann,what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD,the Word is GOD-John 1:1.The Word is from everlasting to everlasting, understand?
2Corinthians 5:10->For we must ALL appear before the Judgment seat of Christ;that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done,whether it be good or bad.
Romans 2:5-11
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the Day of WRATH and REVELATION of the righteous Judgment of GOD; ->(Isaiah 26:19-21 combined with 1Corinthians 6:2-3 and Revelation 11:15-18, The Trumpet shall sound).
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and IMMORTALITY,ETERNAL LIFE:->(This will fulfil from now on)
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, INDIGNATION AND WRATH,->(From now on)
9 TRIBULATION and ANGUISH, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the JEW first, and also of the GENTILE;->(From now on)
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the JEW first, and also to the GENTILE:->(From now on)
11 For there is no respect of persons with GOD.
1Corinthians 6:2-3 (combined with Daniel 2:44-45, take a look):
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the WORLD shall be Judged by you, are ye unworthy to Judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall Judge angels?(including angels of the Churches) how much more things that pertain to this life?
Matthew 24:1-2 - Destruction of the Temple and Israel in literal fulfillment of JESUS’s prophecy and literal fulfillment of Deuteronomy 28:15-68. Year 70AD;
Luke 21:20-24-Days of vengeance->DIÁSPORA from 70AD to 1948. 1878 years of severe and strong punishments against Israel.
24->Israel shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into ALL NATIONS(Diáspora-Year 70AD): and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.->Hebrews 1:1-3:->
1 GOD,who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2Hath in these last days->(LAST TWO DAYS or 2000 YEARS)spoken unto us by His Son,whom He hath appointed heir of all things,by whom also He made the worlds;
3Who being the brightness of His glory,and the EXPRESS IMAGE of GOD’s Person->(EXPRESSED LITERALLY IN THE SCRIPTURES,the Bible), and upholding all things by the Word of His Power,when He had by Himself purged our sins,sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
The fullness of Gentiles ->from 1948 ahead.-Matthew 24:3-8: Signs of JESUS’ coming,and the END of this current world of Devil:
3And as JESUS sat upon the mount of Olives,the disciples came unto Him privately,saying,Tell us, … what shall be the sign of thy coming,and of the END of the world?
PERIOD OF SORROWS-PRE´TRIBULATION PERIOD
4And JESUS answered and said unto them,Take heed that no man deceive you.
5For many shall come in my name, saying,I am Christ;->(John 5:43-47 combined with Revelation 13:11,a false Messiah,AN IMPOSTOR,take a look), and shall DECEIVE many.->2Thessalonians 2:3-13,take a look).
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars:see that ye be not troubled:for all these things must come to pass,but the END is not yet.->(this prophecy is fulfilling LITERALLY in these current days).
7For nation shall rise against nation,and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines,and pestilences,and earthquakes,in divers places.(this prophecy is fulfilling LITERALLY in these current days).
8All these are the BEGINNING of sorrows.->(the current Pre-Tribulation period).
Luke 21:25-31:
25And there shall be signs in the sun,and in the moon,and in the stars->(Revelation 12:1-2&5, great mystery);and upon the earth distress of nations,with perplexity;the sea(Gentile peoples)and the waves roaring;
26Men’s hearts failing them for fear,and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:3-10and so on)shall be shaken->(Hebrews 8:13 combined with 2Peters 3:7,and so on).
27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
29And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
30When they now shoot forth,ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31So likewise when ye see these things come to pass,know ye that the kingdom of GOD is nigh at hand.
ACTS 3:19-21:
19…the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20And he shall send JESUS Christ,which before was preached unto you:
21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things,which GOD hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.
With regard to Steve Avery, he is a brother in Christ.
There’s a lot being shared here, and it definitely goes deep into Scripture.
At the same time, I sometimes find it helpful to come back to something simpler: that truth isn’t just something we understand, but something we live out day by day.
For me, it’s less about having everything fully figured out and more about staying grounded in faith, even in small, everyday ways.
Greetings in Christ JESUS
What does the Word of GOD say?
Hebrews 11:1 - Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Romans 10:17 - Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of GOD. ->(The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, Self-executing, Self-executable->John 1:1.->Around 2000 years ago(about 4000 years after Adam), the Word was made flesh(it was still the fourth Day-Genesis 1:16), and He said:->John 5:17: My Father worketh hitherto, and I work).
I believe you know Him. He said:-João 5:39-40: → 39 Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. → 40 And will not ye come to me, that ye might have life?). And John 7:38-> He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.->Revelation 21:6-7-> 6-> He said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Again: Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of GOD.-Romans 10:17.
Our Lord JESUS warned us, saying:->Luke 18:8:-> Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? ->1Timothy 4:1-2:-> The Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; → 2Timothy 4:1-4: → 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the Truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
1 - I charge thee therefore before GOD, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom;
2 - Preach the Word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
Amen.
How do you understand this brother @Oseas? I’ve heard some wild, outrageous eisegesis on your quoted verse?
Thanks. Good post.
J.
Greetings in Christ JESUS
Dear brother Johann, actually there are many many biblical literatures interpreting Scriptures, but for me Scripture interprets Scripture. So, in my view what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. By the way, I highlighted this my understanding unto Ellenvera in my previous post above.
Regarding John 5:39, you said :->“I have heard some wild, outrageous eisegesis”, and you asked me:->"How do you understand this brother @Oseas?
Well, what does the Word of GOD reveals? 1Corinthians 15:51-55: → 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
Philippians 3:20-21->(combined with Thessalonians 4:17)->
20 For our conversation is in heaven->(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-10 and so on); from WHENCE also we look for the Saviour, the Lord JDESUS Christ:
21 Who shall CHANGE our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.->(LUKE 20:35-36).
JESUS said to the Jews: John 6:49-51:->49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This(JESUS Himself) is the bread which cometh down from heaven(from the 3rd heaven to the 2nd heaven->2Corinthians 12:2-4. We are linving in the environment of the 2nd heaven**(Ephesians 1:3-10 and so on), that a man may eat thereof(the bread of the angels-Luke 20:35-36), and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh(yes, the Word-GOD-was made flesh), which I will give for the life of the world.->(GOD is the life, the tree of Life-> (Genesis 2: 8-9 and 16-17 combined with 3:22 and 3:1-11 about the man of sin, whose mouth and language/speech was and still is a serpent, and his throat is an open sepulchre(Romans 3:13); his followers->(2Corinthians 11;13-15)** with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:(14) Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness. GOD forbid.
JESUS said to the Devil:->Matthew 4:5->Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of GOD.->(every Word of GOD’s Mouth is expessed in the Scripture,in the Bible).
On the other hand, JESUS said:->Revelation 16:13-15 :->13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon->(Revelation 13:11 combined with Revelation 12:9-17), and out of the mouth of the Beast->(Revelation 13:1-9), and out of the mouth of the false prophet.->(John 5:43-47, take a look)
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great Day of GOD Almighty. → (the Lord’s Day, the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium).
JESUS warned: verse 15:-> Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked->(as exactly happened in Genesis 3:8-11), and they see his shame.
Be prepared and careful, or else, get ready. → Matthew 25:6-10.
GOD BLESS
Dear Lord, and here I thought I was bad…
J.