Your biblical point/s was heard brother @KPuff.
Stay strong in Christ Jesus.
J.
I’m jumping in here.
I’ve been sounding alarms for almost 2 decades about the problem of Islam in predominantly Christian countries. We’ve been told to accept them. Ok. Accepted. Then, we’re told that WE have to not just accept them and their ideologies but that OUR ideologies have to be “covered”. The example I’m speaking of is this: I worked in a hospital up until 2014 when I quit. This was a hospital that originated with Catholic nuns. They built it and served the community in so many ways beyond Healthcare. Then, the Muslims started showing up and working in the hospital. The pharmacist was a lovely woman. Kind and compassionate and generous in so many ways, but she made me feel uneasy, and I was still rejecting God at this time in my life. Then, all the statues of the saints, the crosses, the artwork depicting so many biblical stories and truths, and the chapel were removed. We were told that we could not wear crosses on the outside of our scrubs. The prayer room became a non-denominational prayer room..but bibles were not allowed in the prayer room, but a mat, facing East was set up on the floor. Then, the cafeteria couldn’t serve any pork (there was nearly a riot over this so mngt said keep the pork) and everything had to be halal.
Are you kidding me? This is systematic. They are in law enforcement, education, healthcare, sitting as judges, in parliament..deciding what laws WE have to live by. Make no mistake..we’ll all be one of those men marched to the beach to have our throats slit and decapitated because we REJECT their god. Our daughters will become slaves. Our sons will be executed.
Does all of this remind no one of the kings in the Bible and those who did evil in the sight of the Lord? Islam is an abomination. Their entire ideology is an abomination to God. The true God. And what happened to Isreal (the people) when they refused to repent, worshipped idols, practiced abomination like child sacrifice (today it’s called “women’s healthcare and rights”)? Babylon ring any bells? Even moderate Muslims practice abomination. So is a moderate abomination ok? Do you think God is ok with us allowing these things to take place? For His chosen..us..followers of Christ..to stand by in wishy washy “I don’t want to offend anyone” complacency? This very complacency has created “churches” of apostasy. Same six (trying not to get flagged here) preachers? Pride flags flying at churches and the slogan “All are welcome” with the trans flag colours? I don’t think God is angry, I think He’s heartbroken.
I’m siding with Peter. He’s saying what the world is thinking but is too afraid to voice for fear of “offending” them. I’M offended! All I can do is pray for them, and I do, but I will not tolerate them. I wear my faith tshirts all the time, even when working. I’m a professional housekeeper and I clean their homes. Nice people with nice families but NOT Christian. I’m waiting for a client to be offended by my “Jesus Christ Miracles Tour” tshirt. It’s my favorite 
Islam is evil. It’s wicked. Tolerating it is tolerating evil. We rebuke every other ideology, like abortion, but we’re to tolerate, even welcome, this evil? The REAL question is how do we stop it.
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But then mercy came. I certainly did not get what I deserve, which is condemnation and eternal separation from God. So, I pray hard..for the lost, the wicked, the evil. And I pray harder for Jesus to smash my heart of stone into a billion pieces and put it back together as He created it to be.
I’m learning.
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Slow and steady. This is the goal. This is their plan. This is what they themselves have stated. We need to pray for them, against their agenda, and for our country. It was sad to hear about your hospital, but that is standard. Granted, VERY much slowed down because of Trump. But still there, waiting.
As God forgave us, all of us, for the sins we committed, He can and will forgive them. All they have to do is repent, believe, and be saved. Somehow, I really do not see them doing such on such a large scale. They serve their father well. The deeds of their father, will they do.
Peter
@PeterC I’ve read of 1000’s coming to Christ. I’ve read stories, watched reels, where the convert speaks of the evil if Islam and how grateful they are that they found Christ and can now truly live. It’s so good to watch. It lifts the heart and soul way up to see those that are trapped in this evil find the light of Christ and come to Him. This is what I want to do. I want to go to the middle east and tell everyone about Christ. Who He really is. Not some prophet in their book, but the LIVING God. The TRUE God who loves them so so much! Who loves all of us so very much! He sent Christ to die so that we could have a real relationship with the Father. I think, because I was thinking about this late into the night, that the only way to stop this is to truly show them the love of Christ and how good He is, and that He is the way. Not just to the Father, but the way to a better way..His way.
I’m going to be honest here. Islam frightens me. I don’t know what to do about it. All I can do is pray for them. But what I really want to do is just talk to them about Jesus.
It’s so easy for me to walk up to a Sikh and ask them questions about the turban, why some wear it, why others cut their hair (the answer will surprise you - convenience. It’s inconvenient to grow and keep long hair and wrap a turban. While the secular Sikhs cut their hair, not wear turbans, even though their religion focuses on the hair and turban, almost like islam focuses on women being covered, many in the religion are orthodox. But, as I ask them questions, I let them know that I’m Christian, and perhaps our beliefs have some common ground. It’s been going well. Now, to apply this ease to Muslims. Maybe turn some hearts,or at least plant seeds and let God take care of them.
I spent a lot of time thinking about this last night. Thinking of what Jesus taught about loving the enemy. But I’m having trouble reconciling this teaching with God’s justice on the wicked. Can someone help me out here? @Inmate @Johann @KPuff @Bestill @PeterC
Thank you in advance
I can share how I think of it and maybe that will help. God’s justice on the wicked is not yet. That day will come where the dead will rise and face judgement. Meanwhile the Father is drawing people to Jesus and they have their lifetime to make that decision. “Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?” [Romans 2:4] So justice will come, but the time of His justice is not yet and certainly that justice is not by us.
I don’t feel that I’m required to do anything about Islam. I agree that what they believe can be scary. I’m required to share my faith with those I come in contact with and preferably in a relationship. Since Islam believes in Jesus (just not the true Jesus) it’s a good starting point for any conversation. And that’s it. A conversation. I can’t save anyone. Only God can do that. And my words are just words unless the Holy Spirit takes my words and plants them in a willing heart. It’s God who makes it grow. He’s responsible for the outcome and we can safely leave it with Him.
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In the biblical framework, loving an enemy does not mean tolerating wrongdoing, and pursuing justice does not mean seeking revenge. Here is how the two connect, in my opinion.
The biggest hurdle to loving our enemies is our natural urge to hurt them back. The Bible addresses this directly by separating personal retaliation from divine or legal justice. In Romans 12:19, Paul writes:
“Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, ‘Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.’”
I have found that three of the most powerful words a child of God can say are “I forgive you.” By surrendering the right to personal payback, you are freed up to love and pray for the person, as in Matthew 5:44. You don’t have to carry the heavy burden of being their judge and executioner. Instead, you trust that a perfectly just God sees the wrong and will address it. You take them out of your hand and place them in God’s.
“It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” Hebrews 10:31
In modern culture, “love” is often watered down to mean unconditional validation or letting things slide. But biblical love (agape) is an active desire for another person’s ultimate good. If someone is acting as an enemy, oppressing others, lying, or causing harm, the worst thing for their own soul is to let them continue unchecked. Allowing someone to persist in wickedness is not loving. Therefore, calling for justice or holding them accountable is an act of love because it aims to interrupt their destructive behavior and lead them to repentance.
Love is never a solitary relationship between you and your enemy; it exists within a community. If an enemy is causing harm, loving your neighbor requires you to call for justice to protect the vulnerable. The Old Testament prophets consistently demanded justice (mishpat) for the oppressed, the widow, and the orphan. Seeking justice means establishing right relationships and protecting people from harm. You can absolutely love an abuser by praying for their soul while simultaneously calling the police to protect their victims.
The ultimate biblical resolution to this tension is the cross of Christ. From a biblical standpoint, the cross is the place where perfect love and perfect justice met. God did not simply excuse human wrongdoing, which would violate justice, nor did He simply destroy the wrongdoers, which would violate love. Instead, Jesus bore the weight of justice Himself so that love and reconciliation could be offered to people who were, at the time, “enemies of God.”
" For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life." Romans 5:10
Nowhere does it say we accept evil or allow evil to harm innocents. Pray for them. If needed, stand before them to protect the innocent. Jesus even told His disciples to buy swords.
Hope this helps.
Peter
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