StephenAndrew, I appreciate your sincerity in grappling with deep spiritual truths, but I want to speak plainly from my understanding of Scripture and the Spirit’s illumination. The new birth from death to life begins with faith in Jesus Christ, is sealed through repentance, water baptism in Jesus’ name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost—not through abstract sacramental language but through the clear, revealed plan of salvation (Acts 2:38).
When I was baptized in Jesus’ name, it wasn’t just a symbol—it was a burial of the old man (Romans 6:4), and when I received the Holy Ghost, with evidence of speaking in tongues, it wasn’t just an emotional moment—it was resurrection power dwelling in me (Romans 8:11). That’s not poetic theology—it’s the living gospel.
The flesh doesn’t save me, but God sanctifies it by His Spirit so that I can live righteously, holy, and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11–12). Forgiveness doesn’t come from human penance but from God’s mercy when I humbly submit to His Word and walk in obedience. I become part of the Church, the Bride of Christ—not through a mystical return to Eve, but through union with the second Adam, Jesus, the Lord from Heaven (1 Corinthians 15:45).
So yes, we are made alive again—but only through the gospel’s power rightly applied. Not mysticism, but manifestation—God revealed in Christ, and Christ formed in us. That’s what gives life.
I really love logic. The power is to be able to place God in front of someone and have Him be seen as the family of God. Talk about superpowers and walking around with it. What a day is every day. Praise God one more day just like yesterday. Omni Groundhog Day I call it.
To me, Everyone knows we are saved through faith that is faithful to the message Jesus preaches to those who believe.
Faithfully, we know not to preach but logically in generalization, we can prove God exists.
Logic is not a proof of faith. Logic proves God to the those searching salvation and not finding it.
So true, The_Omega. if you could see just from the beginning through your faith, you could see God logically just behind you, pushing you us all to follow him we know.
We logically become from created through the body of the new eve for the soul in the new adam becoming again one Holy Spirit family one God in being.
The God from the faith of Abraham is a two nature, God to me.
I see between omega and sincere seeker differences in faith, but it’s the same logic.
Logic doesn’t bring faith to the faithful logic brings faith to the ones searching salvation not really understanding itand not finding it.
To me, the truth is in the story that never changes and the greatest story ever told to me is the logic of the Christ.
And to me, this is the Same God from the father of the faith of Abraham and I call Omni.
One doesn’t have to have faith to know that the intelligence of fulfilled logical infallible creation can become to man in the flesh from a creator and from Trial and error can be manifested to become the image of the undefiled intelligence and able to become again to the infallible disciplines unknown to man as one Family in being.
In how it is when you try to reach someone that doesn’t have any faith there’s no way to really help them understand the mind of God without the love of logic.
We know we’re not arguing Faith. We’re arguing logic for the ones searching for faith. Some people don’t even know why they need faith. To become again. Is the free gift one body and two natures that’ll never die and live forever in the flesh eternal life.
Friend, here is where you are going wrong – and why Scripture doesn’t back up what you’re saying. Let’s walk through this slowly, with a Bible in hand instead of poetic mysticism.
You said: “In all generations we become into the church…”
Here’s where you’re going wrong: No one is born into the Church across generations like it’s a family reunion or genetic lineage. You don’t become the Church by existing – you enter the Church by faith in Christ and being born again by the Spirit.
John 1:12–13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God… not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body…
Church membership isn’t a birthright. It’s a rebirth-right.
You said: “…into the new Eve through the new Eve…”
Here’s where you’re going wrong: This sounds like something from a Marian devotional, not from the Bible. Yes, some early writers like Irenaeus used “new Eve” as a metaphor for Mary — but even they never said we enter the Church through Mary. That’s theology on stilts. Scripture says we come to the Father through Christ – not Mary, not Eve 2.0, not anyone else.
John 14:6 “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
1 Timothy 2:5 There is one God, and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.
Trying to squeeze Mary into a salvific role is like adding water to wine after the miracle – unnecessary and misleading.
You said: “…baptized becoming immortality from death through resurrection…” Here’s where you’re going wrong: Baptism is a sign, not the switch that flips you from mortal to immortal. You don’t become immortal in the water. Baptism points to the death and resurrection of Christ, but the power is in the Spirit and faith, not in the ritual.
Romans 6:4–5 Buried with Him through baptism into death… united with Him in resurrection.
2 Timothy 1:10 …Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.
Water doesn’t make you immortal. The gospel does.
You said: “…by the living waters from the spirit…” Here’s where you’re almost right-- but here’s the issue: Jesus said living water means the Holy Spirit – but not for everyone, only “those who believe.” This isn’t some universal spiritual mist floating through humanity.
John 7:38–39 He who believes in Me… from his innermost being will flow rivers of living water. This He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive.
John 4:14 The water I give will become in him a well…
So yes, the Spirit is living water – but no, it doesn’t splash onto you just because you’re human.
You said: “…through the souls of all created…”
Here’s where you’re going wrong: Now you’re drifting into universalism. That’s not biblical. Not all souls receive life or the Spirit. Jesus Himself said, “You must be born again.” That implies you’re not spiritually alive just by being born the first time.
John 3:5–6 Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Romans 8:9 If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
Just because a soul is created doesn’t mean it’s saved. Otherwise, why preach the gospel at all?
You said: “…for the flesh in the body to be able to become from death to life.” Here’s where you’re wrong again: Yes, we will be raised bodily – if we belong to Christ. This isn’t automatic. And it’s not the body making this happen. It’s the Spirit of God working in those who are His.
Romans 8:11 He who raised Christ… will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Philippians 3:21 He will transform the body of our lowly condition into conformity with His glorious body.
God raises His own. The rest go to judgment, not immortality.
You’ve stitched together poetic-sounding phrases and called it theology. But the Bible isn’t a riddle book. It’s clear: life comes through Christ alone, by faith, through the Spirit, for those who believe – not through Eve, water, or cosmic unity.
Don’t let mysticism do the talking where Scripture already speaks plainly.
Galatians 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
Stick with the Word. That’s where the real living water is.
Shalom.
I love that you’re chasing the divine with a philosopher’s fire—really, I do. But let me season this with some sanctified spice: God didn’t send His Son wrapped in footnotes and flowcharts. He came wrapped in flesh and blood, in swaddling clothes, not syllogisms.
You say logic brings faith to those who don’t understand it. But brother, logic can point to a throne—it can’t reveal the Lamb who was slain. Logic may whisper “design,” but only revelation shouts “Redeemer.” Faith comes by hearing, not hypothesizing (Romans 10:17). God didn’t say, “Figure Me out.” He said, “Follow Me.”
Let’s be real: this OMNILogic you’re preaching? It’s poetic, it’s passionate—but it’s also dancing mighty close to a gospel remix. And newsflash: the gospel doesn’t need a remix. It’s not missing verses or divine math formulas. It needs to be believed, not rebranded.
Christ didn’t die to make us logic machines. He died to make us children of God. Not calculators of mystery, but co-heirs of mercy. If the gospel needs a user manual, you’ve missed the cross and landed in a cosmic TED Talk.
So yes, bring your mind. But bow your knee. Because at the end of all human logic, there’s still one burning truth left standing: Jesus Christ and Him crucified. No logic can replace that. No “becoming again One God in being” can outshine the raw, rugged, blood-drenched cross.
To me you just listening between John sincere seeker and Omega, you all have different views of the family of God and Trinity and the logic of becoming again, and the family of God existed before creation and the intelligence logic that never fails becoming again in all mankind.
This is the story that never changes to me the logic that makes anyone understand the mind of God that perhaps whom never knew before how the mind of God exists.
If for example, you teach the logic of the mind of God to a parishioner, and he goes into a church and listens to the pastor he now recognizes the faithful people yet logically understanding the mind of God to become more faithful.
I know every day I tell my story it never changes and
directly correlates logically to the mind of God, although through finite disciplines, we can never understand, but through the logic we can.
Faith, gives us from 10 different people 10 different bosom of Abrahams. Logically the bosom of Abraham is where the circumcision of the spiritspirit and the souls awaited from the ark of the old covenant sacrifice for salvation through penance
Peace to you—and now, a little precision with that peace.
Yes, you’re right about one thing: you’re hearing different voices. But brother, don’t confuse diversity of expression with division of truth. The truth is not fluid, and the gospel doesn’t shape-shift depending on who’s holding the mic. If we’re not anchored to the revelation God actually gave, then all we’ve got is celestial fan fiction.
You talk of the “logic of the mind of God,” but what you’re presenting isn’t logic—it’s abstraction dressed in poetic robes. And the gospel is not a parable of metaphysical recycling. It’s a bloody cross, an empty tomb, and a returning King. You keep circling this idea that “becoming again” somehow unlocks divine understanding. But Scripture doesn’t say “understand God to be saved”—it says “repent and believe” (Mark 1:15). That’s not logic, that’s lordship.
You want to teach someone “the logic of the mind of God”? Start at Golgotha. Start where divine justice kissed mercy on a Roman cross. That’s where the heart of God is revealed. Not in riddles about “pre-creation triune femininity” or layered cosmologies. Those might tickle the brain, but they don’t convict the soul.
The Bosom of Abraham isn’t a theological jigsaw puzzle—it was a holding place, a grace-filled pause before the gates of Heaven were thrown open by the blood of Christ. Hebrews 9:12 makes it plain: He entered once for all into the holy places… by means of His own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.
So if your “OMNILogic” doesn’t bow the knee at the cross, it’s just philosophical perfume sprayed on spiritual confusion. God’s mind is not a code to crack. It’s a mystery revealed through a Person. And His name is Jesus.
True SincereSeeker, opening the Gates, empyying the Chasm of The Bosom of Abraham and closing death’s chasm through the flesh from the life in the spirit for the souls of all, even the angels awaited.
@StephenAndrew, you are reading into Scripture meaning that isn’t there, apparently to try to justify Catholic beliefs. I submit that you need to admit that the Popes have added a tradition to the Bible that is separate from it, an action that is far from acceptable to us Protestants.
If you haven’t done that, what do you mean by your claim? It’s not clear, but the following words from Jesus are clear about God with “name” being singular and the three Persons of God in baptism:
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”