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Peace to all,
What is the best understanding today, of born again saved?
Peace always,
Stephen
Great question—it’s one of the most important ones anyone can ask.
Being “born again” isn’t about turning over a new leaf or trying to be a better person. It’s a complete spiritual rebirth—Jesus said in John 3:3, “Unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” That rebirth happens when we repent, believe in Christ, and receive new life through the Holy Spirit.
This article unpacks it really well and goes straight to the heart of what Jesus meant:
What Does It Really Mean to Be Born Again?
Curious—how do you personally define the difference between being “saved” and being “born again”? Are they the same—or do they happen at different points?
StephenAndrew, peace to you—but buckle your theological seatbelt, because the question you asked isn’t just some soft-serve Sunday School query. It’s spiritual ground zero. What does it mean to be “born again” and “saved”? Let’s torch the fluff and get to the fire.
Born again? That’s not spiritual poetry. That’s a divine demand.
“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” – John 3:3
Not might not, not will struggle to—cannot. You don’t get to heaven on baptism certificates, denominational loyalty, or being “a good person.” Nicodemus was a religious expert, and Jesus still told him he needed a new birth. If that Pharisee needed to be reborn, you better believe your yoga-practicing, crystal-wearing neighbor does too—and maybe you do as well.
Saved? That’s not “I prayed a prayer once when I was six and now I’m chillin’ till heaven.” That’s rescue from the wrath of God by the blood of Christ.
“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” – Romans 3:23
“The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” – Romans 6:23
Salvation isn’t a vibe. It’s a verdict overturned. It’s the gavel of heaven slamming down and saying, “Not guilty—not because you’re innocent, but because Jesus took your sentence.” You’re not saved by effort. You’re saved by substitution. Christ in your place.
Now let me stir the pot a little: if your “born again” experience didn’t involve repentance, it wasn’t new birth—it was just a religious rebrand. And if your idea of “saved” lets you live like hell while claiming heaven, that’s not salvation. That’s self-deception with a choir playlist.
So, to put it plain:
Jesus didn’t say, “Try your best.” He said, “Follow Me.” That means death to self and life in Him.
So, Stephen… best understanding today? Same as the first century:
Die to sin. Rise in Christ. Be born again. Be saved. Or be lost.
Choose wisely. Eternity isn’t impressed with your peace sign. It’s moved by the cross.
Not only did Jesus say “You Must Be Born Again” (John 3:3)
He also told us:
John 3:5
Authorized (King James) Version
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
To approach to God has always been Blood / Water/ and Spirit
Death /Burial/ Resurrection We did with Him in REPENTANCE, We are BURIED with Him in BAPTISM, and we arise to the newness of life through the resurrecting power of the Holy Ghost.
Peter’s first message to Jesus’ new Testament Church was not- Just accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior after traveling down the man-made Roman Road method and followed by the sinner’s prayer…It was this: Acts 2:38
Authorized (King James) Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We can surely trust this because 3,000 souls were added after this was preached !!
Acts 2:41
Authorized (King James) Version
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
To be born again and saved is to undergo a supernatural transformation by the power of God—a rebirth that delivers a person from the dominion of sin and death into the kingdom of life and righteousness through Jesus Christ. This is not merely a symbolic experience or a mental shift; it is a spiritual regeneration in which the Spirit of God indwells the believer, empowering them to walk in newness of life (John 3:3–5; Titus 3:5). The clearest apostolic explanation of how this rebirth occurs is found in Acts 2:37–38, which is the direct response to the question, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” asked by those whose hearts were pricked by the convicting power of the Holy Ghost after Peter’s sermon on the Day of Pentecost.
Acts 2:38 contains the divine blueprint for salvation in the New Covenant: “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” This is not a suggestion, nor a ritualistic formula—it is the Spirit-inspired answer to the soul’s cry for redemption. The phrase “repent” (Greek: metanoeó) means more than feeling sorry; it is a complete turning away from sin, a death to the old nature, a renunciation of self-rule. Repentance corresponds to our participation in Christ’s death—where the old man is crucified (Romans 6:6).
Next, “be baptized…in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins” connects to burial with Christ (Romans 6:3–4). This is not just a symbolic act; baptism in Jesus’ name is the moment God applies His covenant blood to the believer’s life. “For the remission of sins” makes clear that this baptism is not optional—it is for the washing away of sins (see also Acts 22:16). The name of Jesus must be invoked because it is the revealed name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19 fulfilled in Acts 2:38), and there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved (Acts 4:12).
Finally, “ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost” is the promised Spirit that raises the believer into new life—completing the born-again experience as a spiritual resurrection (Romans 8:9–11). This is the baptism of the Spirit that Jesus promised in John 3:5 when He said, “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” Receiving the Holy Ghost is not merely a quiet inward assurance—it is often accompanied by supernatural evidence, as seen repeatedly in Acts (e.g., Acts 2:4, 10:44–46, 19:6), particularly speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.
Thus, to be born again is to obey Acts 2:38: to die with Christ in repentance, be buried with Him in water baptism in His name, and be raised with Him by the infilling of the Holy Ghost. This is how we are saved—not by man’s tradition, but by God’s revealed plan. It is not a three-step formula—it is a unified new birth experience that ushers us into covenant relationship with the Living God, clothing us in Christ (Galatians 3:27), and sealing us for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30). This is the message of the apostles. This is salvation by faith through obedience. This is how the New Testament Church was born—and how it must still be born today.
Peace to all,
So true, we read from His words, through your words in The_Omega, Baptism and Penance are Sacraments from Death through Life created by The Father from the Spirit in the New Adam through the flesh in The New Eve becoming The Transformed Christ in all mankind through Jesus becoming again immortally glorified and incorruptibly transfigured One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
“Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Baptized becoming flesh immortality from the New Eve Confirmed from Holy Spirit incorruption through the New Adam in The Christ in all mankind from Sacrifice and Penance becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
In all genaralization, is Failed Creation from The Father through the Power of The Holy Spirit Family in both Natures spirit and life becoming flesh immortality from The Mother, Mary, God of Mercy transforming all mankind becoming flesh immortality from the Powers of The Holy Spirit Family Holy Spirit Family One God in being Holy Spirit incorruptibility from the Powers of The Holy Spirit Family One God in being Jesus becoming From the Immaculate Conception through the Virgin Birth of The Christ becoming in all mankind From The Powers of the Holy Spirit through the Immaculate Flesh for the Christ in all mankind from Holy Spirit Incorruption through flesh immortality in both natures spirit and life in One Body of our own Christ from the cross from where the blood and water flowed for all becoming again reborn from New Eve, Mary becoming immortality through Holy Spirit incorruption through the New Adam, Jesus in the Christ in all mankind becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
To me, the incorruptible Mind of God becomes to creation from the failed spirit nature through the power of Creation from The Father through His Powers in the Holy Spirit Family One God in being as God of Creation.
Born Corrupt in Creation From The Father flesh nature corruption becomes from the living waters of Baptism through the New Eve becoming flesh nature immortality from the Power of The Holy Spirit Family of One God in being through the God of Mercy Mary for immaculate flesh immortality in the New Eve in all mankind.
From Adam and Eve created failed from the corrupt spirit through their created souls for their mortal flesh in the body becoming transformed flesh nature immortality from the New Eve transformed from the living waters of Baptism through the souls of all for the Body becoming from death to life in the flesh becoming Holy Spirit incorruption from the Power of Holy Spirit through the Virgin Birth for the New Eve in Jesus becoming The Christ in all mankind from Sacrifice through Penance Absolution through Confession through Penance forgiven for all mankind to become through both New Eve flesh nature and New Adam Holy Spirit incorruption Nature through New Eve immortally becoming One Body glorified and New Adam incorruptibility Holy Spirit transfigured becoming again One Holy Spirit Family of God One God in being.
Peace always,
Stephen
Omega, now that’s a post that brought some theological fire to the altar—but let’s test the flame and see if it’s holy or just heated.
You came out strong: rebirth isn’t symbolic. Amen to that. It’s not moral improvement—it’s divine invasion. Dead men don’t “turn over a new leaf”; they need resurrection. So far, so solid.
But then you took a sharp detour into the Oneness Pentecostal lane and tried to merge Acts 2:38 into a salvation formula that overrides the full counsel of God’s Word. And now we’ve got to pull over and check your theology before someone crashes into eternal confusion.
Let’s go point-by-point:
YES: We must be born again (John 3:3–5). YES: Regeneration is a supernatural act of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5). YES: Repentance is real and radical (Romans 6:6). YES: The Holy Spirit indwelling the believer is essential (Romans 8:9).But here’s where you go off the rails:
ERROR #1: “Baptism in Jesus’ name is when God applies His covenant blood.”Hold up. Scripture doesn’t teach that water baptism applies the blood of Christ. Faith does.
“Having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.” — Romans 5:1
Baptism follows justification—it doesn’t cause it. Baptism is a sign, a seal, a sacred act of obedience—but if you turn it into the mechanism of salvation, you’ve just added works to grace and traded Ephesians 2:8–9 for a dunk tank gospel.
ERROR #2: “Baptism is required for the remission of sins.”Let’s look at Acts 2:38 like Bereans, not parrots.
The Greek phrase “for the remission of sins” uses “eis”, which can mean “because of” or “in view of”—just like when we say, “He was arrested for murder” (not to commit it, but because he already did it).
Scripture never pits baptism as a prerequisite for forgiveness. Consider Cornelius in Acts 10:44–48: he received the Holy Spirit before baptism. That means he was born again before he ever hit the water.
ERROR #3: “The name of Jesus must be invoked in baptism or it’s invalid.”Now we’re just splitting hairs and missing heads.
Matthew 28:19 is Jesus’ own command: “baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38 isn’t a replacement; it’s an apostolic application. You want to argue formulas? I’ll take obedience over incantation any day. Baptism isn’t a magic spell—it’s an act of faith.
ERROR #4: “Speaking in tongues is the confirming evidence of the Holy Spirit.”That’s the Pentecostal party line, but it’s not the biblical requirement.
“Not all speak in tongues, do they?” — 1 Corinthians 12:30
Paul literally asks this rhetorical question because the answer is no. The fruit of the Spirit—not tongues—is the mark of the Spirit-filled life (Galatians 5:22–23). Tongues may accompany, but they don’t authenticate salvation.
You’ve got passion. You’ve got scripture. But you’re cherry-picking Acts while ignoring Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians. That’s like building a doctrine on Legos and calling it a cornerstone.
The Gospel isn’t:
The Gospel is:
“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved…” — Acts 16:31
“…everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.” — Acts 10:43
“By grace you have been saved through faith…” — Ephesians 2:8
Faith that saves is never alone—it produces repentance, obedience, and public declaration like baptism. But those are the fruits, not the root.
Don’t build your theology on one verse shouted at Pentecost. Build it on the whole canon of God’s Word.
Salvation isn’t a formula. It’s a miracle.
Stephen—
Brother, I say this in truth and trembling: you are stacking theological spaghetti so high it’s collapsing under its own weight. You’re not building doctrine—you’re building a tower of Babel with sacramental glitter.
Let’s slice through the glitter-gloss and get to the Gospel.
“Baptism and Penance are Sacraments from Death through Life created by The Father from the Spirit in the New Adam through the flesh in The New Eve…”
That’s not Scripture. That’s spiritual fan fiction.
Baptism and repentance are not mystical transformers merging Mary into divinity and Jesus into a cosmic fusion of “One Holy Spirit Family.” They are acts of obedience rooted in Christ alone, not sacralized symbology draped in metaphysical poetry.
You keep merging Mary into the salvific equation like she’s the co-redeemer, co-priest, co-resurrector. But here’s the blazing, Bible-forged truth:
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” — 1 Timothy 2:5
Not Mary. Not mysticism. One Mediator. Period.
Now let’s untangle the theological yarn:
You speak of “flesh immortality,” “Holy Spirit incorruption,” “the New Eve,” “sacramental powers,” and “becoming again One Holy Spirit Family”—but Stephen, none of that language is how the apostles preached the Gospel.
Peter didn’t preach “incorruptible flesh from the Virgin womb via Penance through the New Eve.” He preached this:
“Repent, therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.” — Acts 3:19
And Paul didn’t wax poetic about a “One God Family in Being.” He declared:
“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.” — Acts 16:31
Let me make this painfully plain:
It is faith in Christ, repentance of sin, and the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit—not the “Holy Spirit Family” (which, by the way, is never mentioned in Scripture once).
Brother, your heart may be sincere, but your doctrine is drowning in a flood of self-created metaphors.
You need the Sword of the Spirit—not the scroll of abstraction.
If you want to become “One with God,” it starts with dying to self, not diving into esoteric loops.
Drop the mysticism. Pick up the Cross. Follow the risen Christ.
God bless you sincereseeker. I’m having a tough time With a with The Trinity and I appreciate you being there brother you are my salvation through him.
Peace always,
Stephen
Friends,
Not to put too fine a point on a phrase that I have read several times in this thread,
“Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3.
Actually the word we read as “again” in our English translations was not actually spoken by Jesus or by Nicodemus in this interaction. What Nicodemus heard was
“unless a man be born from above (Gk.anothen) he cannot see the kingdom of heaven.
Both nuanced meanings are technically acceptable since He is speaking of a new birth from God, and that is from above. In John 3:4, Nicodemus clearly takes “being born from above” to mean to be “born a second time” (Gk.deuteron) I think our brother translators used the English word “again” rather than “from above” to better support Nicodemus’s rhetorical question “Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”. Jesus’s clarifies His statement of “being born from above” by saying :
“ Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ (from above, Gk.anothen) The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” John 3:7-8.
To Jesus (and to John) being “born “anothen” (being born from above) equates to being born of The Spirit. If Jesus, or John, wanted to say “again” as in “another occurance”, or a “recurrence” they would most likely have used the word “Gk palin”, as in
“Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, (Gk palin) but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.” John 4:13-14
Peter further reinforces the idea of being both born from above, and being reborn by using the word “anagennáō”. The “ana” (not ano) portion speaks of again, and the gennao portion speaks of generation, so actually he is saying “regenerated” when he says:
…having been born again (regenerated), not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 1:23.
I only point out this nuance because I believe it provides clarity, and renewed appreciation for the term “born again”; a term that is too often tossed around in conversations a bit flippantly, and too often incorrectly (in my personal experience). I am hoping to reclaim the power of the dialogue Jesus had with this sincere seeker, the Pharisee Nicodemus. The weight of the message to Nicodemus, in that clandestine meeting, was Unless God Himself gives you life, you cannot experience His Kingdom.
“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” John 3:6,
there is no alternative route.
Peace
KP
Peace to all,
The logical co redemption comes from the New Eve through the new Adam, becoming the Christ in all mankind becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Peace always,
Stephen
This objection stems from a misunderstanding of both the role of faith and the biblical function of baptism. Oneness theology does not teach that water baptism is a work that earns salvation, but rather that it is the God-ordained moment of covenant application—where the blood of Jesus is applied through obedient faith. Romans 5:1 rightly declares that we are justified by faith, but true biblical faith is never passive or abstract; it is obedient (Romans 1:5; Hebrews 11). Scripture repeatedly ties faith and baptism together—not as separate stages—but as a unified response to the gospel. In Acts 2:38, Peter commands repentance and baptism for the remission of sins—not as a symbolic act following forgiveness, but as the means by which the name and blood of Jesus are invoked (Acts 22:16; Romans 6:3–4).
To say baptism is merely a sign after justification imposes a Reformation-era lens that’s foreign to the apostolic witness. Ephesians 2:8–9 teaches that salvation is by grace through faith—not by works of the law—but baptism in Jesus’ name is not a human work; it is God’s operation (Colossians 2:12), the point at which we are buried with Christ and rise to walk in newness of life (Romans 6:4). Even Paul, after encountering Jesus personally, was told to “arise and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord” (Acts 22:16). Scripture never separates salvation from water and Spirit (John 3:5), nor does it elevate faith apart from obedience. In the New Testament, no one was ever considered saved without baptism in Jesus’ name. To obey Acts 2:38 is not to add to grace—it is to receive grace the biblical way.
This objection misrepresents both the Greek grammar of Acts 2:38 and the broader context of Scripture. The claim that “eis” in “for the remission of sins” can mean “because of” is grammatically and contextually flawed. In Koine Greek, the preposition eis overwhelmingly means “into,” “unto,” or “for the purpose of,” indicating a forward-looking result, not a backward explanation. In Acts 2:38, Peter says, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for [eis] the remission of sins.” The parallel construction connects both repentance and baptism as prerequisites to receiving remission. If eis merely meant “because of,” then repentance would also be “because sins were already forgiven,” which makes no sense in the context of their convicted plea, “What shall we do?” (Acts 2:37).
Furthermore, the example of Cornelius in Acts 10 does not contradict this. The outpouring of the Holy Ghost before baptism did not complete the new birth—it signaled God’s acceptance of Gentiles into the covenant. Peter still commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 10:48), showing that baptism was not optional or symbolic. If receiving the Spirit alone were sufficient, Peter would not have insisted on water baptism immediately afterward. The Spirit fell upon them as confirmation, not completion.
The apostolic pattern throughout Acts shows a unified process: belief, repentance, baptism in Jesus’ name, and receiving the Holy Ghost. Nowhere in Scripture are people declared saved before baptism—not even Cornelius. Rather than undermining Acts 2:38, his story affirms it: the Spirit and water work together in God’s redemptive plan (John 3:5). To be baptized “for the remission of sins” is not adding works to grace; it is obeying the means by which grace is received. This is not parroting—it is apostolic doctrine.
This response misunderstands the core issue—not one of mere formula, but of revelation and obedience. Oneness theology does not treat baptism in Jesus’ name as an “incantation,” but rather as the biblically revealed name by which God has chosen to manifest Himself in redemption. Matthew 28:19 instructs the apostles to baptize “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”—not names plural, but name singular—indicating one revealed identity. The apostles, filled with the Holy Ghost and entrusted with Christ’s teaching, obeyed that command by consistently baptizing in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5), because Jesus is the name of the Father (John 5:43), the Son (Matthew 1:21), and the Holy Spirit (John 14:26).
To say this is “splitting hairs” is to ignore the vital importance Scripture places on the name of Jesus. Acts 4:12 declares that there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved. Colossians 3:17 commands that whatever we do in word or deed—which includes baptism—must be done in the name of the Lord Jesus. This is not a debate over semantics or rituals, but about whether we are obeying the revelation of God’s name or reducing His commands to generalized titles.
Faith and obedience are never at odds in Scripture. True faith submits to the Word of God as it was preached by the apostles. Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is not a magic spell—it is an act of faith-filled obedience that invokes the saving name, applies the blood (Acts 22:16; Romans 6:3), and identifies the believer with the crucified and risen Lord. To dismiss that as legalistic misses the very heart of the New Testament message: that salvation is in the name of Jesus, and obedience to that name is not optional—it is essential.
This objection fails to distinguish between the initial sign of receiving the Holy Ghost and the ongoing gifts of the Spirit within the body of Christ. Oneness Pentecostal theology affirms that speaking in tongues is the initial evidence that someone has received the baptism of the Holy Ghost, as consistently demonstrated in the book of Acts—not that everyone will continually operate in the gift of tongues. Acts 2:4, 10:44–46, and 19:6 all show people speaking in tongues at the moment the Holy Spirit was poured out upon them. This was not a rare or optional occurrence—it was the normative pattern of the early Church.
When Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 12:30, “Do all speak with tongues?” he is not referring to the initial infilling of the Spirit, but to the gift of tongues for edification within the Church. This gift, like others listed in that chapter, is given selectively for the health and order of the body. But that is categorically different from the sign of Spirit baptism. The confusion arises when readers conflate the gift of tongues (used with interpretation for corporate edification) with the sign of tongues at the moment of Spirit infilling, which is a personal spiritual experience.
Furthermore, pointing to the fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22–23 as the “mark” of the Spirit-filled life does not contradict the Pentecostal view. The fruit of the Spirit reflects the mature character that grows as a result of walking in the Spirit—but it is not presented as the initial evidence of receiving the Spirit. A tree must first be planted before it can bear fruit. Tongues, in the biblical record, consistently accompany the moment of receiving the Holy Ghost—whereas fruit is the result of ongoing submission and spiritual growth.
In summary, speaking in tongues is not a denominational novelty—it is the clear, repeated sign given in Scripture to confirm that someone has received the Holy Spirit. It does not negate faith, repentance, or fruit-bearing—it marks the entry point of Spirit empowerment, just as it did on the Day of Pentecost.
This final critique presents a common but flawed dichotomy: that faith alone saves, while repentance, baptism, and receiving the Holy Ghost are merely fruits of that faith rather than integral parts of the salvation process. The truth is, the entire canon of Scripture speaks with one voice—not in contradiction—but in harmony. Acts is not a side note or a passion project of Pentecostals; it is the historical record of the gospel being preached and obeyed by real people under apostolic authority. To dismiss Acts 2:38 as “one verse shouted at Pentecost” is to ignore the divinely inspired beginning of the Church and the Spirit-led blueprint given through Peter, to whom Jesus gave the keys of the kingdom (Matthew 16:18–19).
Yes, Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians speak powerfully about faith and grace—but Paul wrote these letters to believers who had already obeyed Acts 2:38. The Philippian jailer in Acts 16:31 believed—but just a few verses later (v. 33), he and his household were baptized the same night, showing belief is the beginning, not the entirety, of salvation. Cornelius believed (Acts 10:43), yet Peter commanded him to be baptized in the name of Jesus (Acts 10:48), and the Spirit fell upon him before baptism not as an exception, but as a sign to the Jews that Gentiles were accepted (Acts 11:15–17). Even in Ephesians 2:8, Paul writes to those who had already been baptized in Jesus’ name and filled with the Spirit (Acts 19:1–6), so “saved by grace through faith” includes their obedience to the full New Birth message.
The idea that salvation is “not a formula” but “a miracle” is true—but that miracle has a God-ordained pattern. Throughout Acts, salvation always included repentance, baptism in the name of Jesus, and receiving the Holy Ghost. That is not a man-made equation—it is the Spirit’s consistent pattern. Obedience to Acts 2:38 is not legalism—it is the response of faith to the gospel. The root and the fruit are inseparable in Scripture. When faith is real, it leads to full obedience—not partial acceptance. To build doctrine on isolated verses about belief while ignoring the full implementation of that belief in Acts is not building on the “whole canon”—it’s selectively interpreting it.
The miracle of salvation follows the message of the apostles, and that message—then and now—is still: Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38). That is not just Pentecostal passion. That is the cornerstone of the New Testament Church.
Peace to all,
Logically the two Sacraments from death to life are Baptism and Penance through the Immaculate Flesh of the New Eve from the Incorruptible Holy Spirit for Jesus, The New Adam becoming The Christ in all mankind becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Logic helps the faithful see God with New OMNI Eyes, for all in One Body through both natures, spirit and life, becoming again through The Christ in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Blood and Water transform becoming immotality becoming incorruptibility
becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
The Living waters of Baotisn transform from the Holy Spirit through the souls of all mankind for the blesh in the Body to become from death resurrected glorified and transfigured One Holy Spirit Family One God in being through the Christ.
Faith is Baptism brings from the living waters through the soul into the Church becoming transformed immortalized through the flesh and from Sacrifice through the blood of God through Penance work proven sorrow becomes forgiveness becoming again through The Christ in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogicaly.
We all know the Christ saves, and I am not speaking in tongues, just logical tongues for all to see more faithfully with new OMNILogical Eyes.
Thanks for listening to all and I keep telling some over and over so, I guess in all logic, all the others can understand the Mind of God,
Some things can never be seen logically by eyes in minds that cannot see and ears that are deaf.
We are born again and saved from created failed from the spirit through the souls of all for the flesh The Body of Chrsit in all mankind becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
With contact by all or even any of the senses of The Host, the New Living Sacrifice we become and become again One Holy Family One God in being.
Spirit and Life, both natures, from created become immortal and become again incorruptible.
Logically we can see Water Baptism transforms the Body from the The Holy Spirit
Nature through the created souls of all becoming in the flesh nature immortality from the New Eve.
And from the sacrifice through the blood in The New Adam in The Christ we are saved glorified and incorruptibly transfigured One Holy Spirit One God in being.
Peace always,
Stephen
Our faith is placed in Christ alone. Everything we do is in His name (baptism, repentance, and receiving the Holy Ghost.)
Colossians 3:17 : “And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.” This verse emphasizes that all our actions and words should be done in a way that honors Christ and gives thanks to God.
Our Acts of obedient faith are not works to earn grace, ever. They are a free gift from God including Faith itself that are received not earned.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV):
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
Grace is the source, and faith is the channel. Grace is God’s unmerited, divine favor—His willingness to act on your behalf even when you deserved wrath. And faith isn’t a work—it’s a response. It’s the open hand that receives what grace freely gives.
Peace to all,
The angels were told of the becoming power of flesh, mankind in Heaven and the angels served us well, allowing us becoming again, and now we almost forget about ourselves from saving them through our own personal Christ in us, in all mankind becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogically, to me.
Grace is freely given and nothing expected in return for the Penance and good works of the flesh to save mankind and the angels. Flesh and good works saves not only mankind but also the angels. We forget about us and eternal life for we love the angels even more than ourselves and work as hard saving them as they did saving us. So what is good works saved us and secondarily, but primarily good works of the flesh saves the angels. We get less selfish knowing there is no greater work possible than for the salvation of souls through good works of the flesh becoming again in all even the angels. Forget about us not havin to do anything for salvation for that kind of thinking looses angels entirely, to me. When we hear One saved always saved the angels remind us who we really are, to me.
Heaven is going to be like no one can even imagine, to me, when we know to logically and faithfully get to work.
Penance of Old Covenant salvation is work proven sorrow for forgiveness, and resurrection life becoming again glorified and transfigured, and only for the spirits in the souls awaiting The Christ.
No more fig leaves, no more animal sacrifices, only the blood and water from the cross becomes the New Living Sacrifice, the Host, the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Entire Wisdom, the “Sophia” of The One Holy Spirit Family One God in being through The Soul of Jesus becoming The Christ in all mankind that transforms immortalizes flesh glorifies and transfigures from the Holy Spirit incorruptibly for the souls of all created in the flesh becoming again in One Body One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, to me.
Jesus did not come to remove the feature/ benefits from Old Covenant Salvation, He came to fulfill rebirth and Salvation through Two Natures, spirit and life Baptism from immaculate flesh immortality Penance through The New Living Sacrifice and Penance, work proven sorrow for friendship restored to be able to “Hide Properly forgiven” from the real two nature blood of God Becoming again in Holy Spirit incorruptiblity in One Holy Spirit Family Body One God in being, OMNILogically, to me.
Peace always,
Stephen
The statement appears to be a poetic but theologically convoluted reflection on humanity’s restoration, the ministry of angels, and the concept of divine unity. However, from a biblically grounded standpoint, it’s important to clarify key points. Scripture does teach that angels are “ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation” (Hebrews 1:14). They serve God by assisting humanity in His redemptive plan—not the other way around. While Christ in us (Colossians 1:27) is indeed our hope of glory and leads to our spiritual transformation, it is Jesus Christ who saves, not we ourselves saving angels or becoming gods. The idea that mankind is “saving” angels through our own personal Christ blurs the biblical roles established in salvation history. Christ came to redeem humanity, and while all creation benefits from His victory (Romans 8:21–22), humans are not co-saviors with Him. The merging of concepts like “One Holy Spirit Family One God in being” may allude to spiritual unity, but it must not be conflated with pantheism or universalism. Unity in the Spirit (Ephesians 4:3–6) does not erase the distinction between Creator and creation, nor the exclusive saving work of Christ. In short, while the language used is emotive and mystical, it lacks theological clarity and should be brought back to the foundation of Scripture and the finished work of Jesus Christ alone.
This statement, while passionate, presents a number of theological inaccuracies that must be lovingly but firmly addressed through Scripture. First and foremost, the claim that “good works of the flesh” save mankind—and even more startlingly, angels—is fundamentally opposed to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Scripture is clear: “By grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9). Salvation is not the reward of penance or good deeds—it is the result of Christ’s finished work on the cross. No amount of good works can earn or extend salvation, let alone transfer salvific power to angelic beings.
The idea that humans can save angels is entirely foreign to the Bible. Angels are not fallen in the same redemptive sense that humanity is—only the rebellious angels, now demons, have fallen, and Scripture gives no indication that they are redeemable (2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6). Righteous angels do not require salvation—they remain obedient servants of God. They rejoice over one sinner who repents (Luke 15:10), but they themselves are not recipients of redemption.
The statement confuses love, humility, and spiritual unity with salvific power. While believers are called to good works (Ephesians 2:10), these works are the fruit of salvation, not the root of it. The concept that “once saved always saved” undermines angelic purpose is speculative and unsupported by Scripture. Angels serve God, not man’s doctrinal interpretations. In summary, while the desire to honor angels and promote selflessness may be noble, salvation belongs to the Lord (Psalm 3:8), and is secured solely through faith in Jesus Christ—not by human effort, and certainly not by saving angels.
This statement blends biblical language with mystical philosophy but requires careful theological clarification to remain aligned with Scripture. It rightly recognizes that the era of fig leaves (Genesis 3:7) and animal sacrifices (Hebrews 10:1–4) has ended with the final, all-sufficient sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross. Indeed, only the blood and water that flowed from His pierced side (John 19:34) signifies the redemptive power that births the Church and sanctifies the believer. However, the rest of the statement introduces unbiblical and speculative elements that must be examined critically.
The reference to the “Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity” reflects language traditionally used in Roman Catholic theology concerning the Eucharist. While believers affirm Christ’s full offering of Himself, Scripture does not teach that His soul becomes the soul of all mankind, nor that Jesus “becoming The Christ in all mankind” is a universal or automatic transformation. The Bible teaches that transformation and glorification only occur in those who believe and obey the gospel (Romans 8:29–30; 2 Corinthians 3:18). There is no scriptural support for a mystical or universal indwelling of Christ in all people regardless of faith.
Invoking “Sophia” as the personification of wisdom—though present in some early church thought and apocryphal writings—blurs the lines between scriptural revelation and later mystical traditions. In the Bible, Christ is the power and wisdom of God (1 Corinthians 1:24), but Scripture does not elevate “Sophia” as a separate divine entity. Lastly, while it is true that the Church is one Body (1 Corinthians 12:12–13), that unity is spiritual and conditional upon being born again of water and Spirit (John 3:5; Acts 2:38).
The aspiration for unity and glorification must be rooted in the truth that salvation, transformation, and ultimate glorification come only through faith in Jesus Christ, obedience to His gospel, and the indwelling of the Holy Ghost—not through a universal, abstract becoming.
This statement attempts to merge concepts from Old Covenant practices, New Testament theology, and mystical terminology, but it results in theological confusion that requires careful correction. The idea that Jesus did not remove but retained the “features/benefits” of Old Covenant salvation misunderstands the biblical transition from shadow to substance. The Old Covenant—including animal sacrifices, ritual penance, and temple ordinances—was never intended to provide final salvation but to point toward Christ (Hebrews 10:1; Colossians 2:17). Jesus did not come to preserve the old system, but to fulfill it completely (Matthew 5:17) and then replace it with the New Covenant in His blood (Luke 22:20), not by retaining its external forms, but by internalizing its purpose in the hearts of believers (Jeremiah 31:31–34; Hebrews 8:6–13).
The mention of “Two Natures”—spirit and life, or possibly divine and human—is orthodox when rightly understood. Jesus Christ is indeed fully God and fully man (Colossians 2:9; John 1:14). However, tying salvation to a mystical concept of “immaculate flesh immortality” and “Penance through The New Living Sacrifice” distorts the gospel. Salvation is not achieved through human sorrow or works of penance; it is the result of grace through faith in the finished work of Christ (Romans 3:24–26; Titus 3:5). While godly sorrow leads to repentance (2 Corinthians 7:10), it is not meritorious in itself—it is the response, not the cause, of God’s mercy.
The phrase “hide properly forgiven” is confusing and not biblically grounded. Forgiveness is not about hiding but about being washed clean, justified openly, and transformed into the image of Christ (1 John 1:7–9; Romans 8:29). Finally, the attempt to frame redemption in terms of “OMNILogical” or abstract metaphysical unity in a “One Holy Spirit Family Body One God in being” dangerously skirts the edge of universalism and panentheism, which are contrary to the exclusive and covenantal nature of salvation through Jesus Christ alone.
The truth of the gospel is that Jesus came not to reinforce Old Covenant rituals, but to complete their purpose in Himself, offering eternal life to those who believe, repent, are baptized in His Name, and receive the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38; John 3:5). Anything beyond this, however mystical or poetic, must be tested and corrected by the clear teaching of Scripture.
StephenAndrew… brother, I’m gonna say this with peace, but not with passivity: what you just served up isn’t theology—it’s spiritual trail mix. A few true-sounding words tossed in with some mystical granola and a sprinkle of poetic confusion. Let’s untangle this, shall we?
“The logical co-redemption comes from the New Eve through the new Adam…”
Hold up. Co-redemption? That’s not in the Bible—that’s in the footnotes of a theology that puts Mary on a pedestal she never asked for and Scripture never built. Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior” (Luke 1:46–47). Savior. As in, she needed saving—just like the rest of us. She is not a co-redeemer; she’s a recipient of redemption.
Jesus alone is Redeemer.
“There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” – 1 Timothy 2:5
Now let’s talk about your next line:
“…becoming the Christ in all mankind becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.”
That’s not Christian doctrine—that’s spiritual soup with a pantheistic aftertaste. We don’t become the Christ. We are made new in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). There’s a Grand Canyon of difference between being united to Christ and becoming Christ Himself.
There is one Christ. One Anointed One. One Lamb who was slain. We don’t morph into Him—we are conformed to His image (Romans 8:29), not absorbed into some cosmic Christ collective.
And that “One God in being” line? If you’re hinting at some divine essence fusion—brother, that’s not unity, that’s heresy. The Body of Christ is united in the Spirit, not dissolved into the Godhead.
So here’s your theological weather report: 100% chance of fog when Scripture isn’t your map. Let the Word clarify:
“He [Christ] is the head of the body, the church… that in everything He might be preeminent.” – Colossians 1:18
Preeminent. Not shared. Not co-anything.
Stephen, I appreciate the peace. But don’t let poetic mysticism fog up what Scripture has made crystal clear:
Christ alone saves. Christ alone reigns. And we are not Christ—we are His.
Let the Word speak louder than the wordplay.
The_Omega, you came armed to the teeth with Acts 2:38 like it’s the only sword in the armory—and I respect the zeal, but you’re swinging it like a machete in a library. Let’s cut clean with Scripture and context before this turns into a doctrinal demolition derby.
Let’s Start with the Blood:Yes, the blood of Jesus washes sin.
Yes, it cleanses.
Yes, it purges.
We agree.
But here’s the theological mic drop: Scripture never says baptism applies the blood. Faith does.
“To him who does not work but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.” — Romans 4:5
Baptism is not where grace is earned or released. It’s where grace is declared. It’s obedience because of salvation—not to manufacture it.
Justification Isn’t Co-Signed by WaterYou quote Colossians 2:12 and Romans 6:4 to tie baptism to burial and resurrection—great! But you skip over Romans 3–5, which lays out how we’re justified before that ever happens: faith apart from works.
“We maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.” — Romans 3:28
You can’t backdoor justification into baptism without trampling the entire argument of Galatians.
Acts Is the Blueprint? Then Use the Whole PlanCornelius got the Spirit before baptism. That’s not a theological curveball—it’s proof that baptism follows salvation, not causes it. Peter didn’t say, “Oops! The Spirit jumped the gun.” He said, “Can anyone forbid water?”—because God had already sealed the deal (Acts 10:44–48).
And Acts 2:38? It’s powerful. But it doesn’t cancel the rest of the canon. You don’t get to turn one verse into a gospel gatekeeper and ignore Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians—the very epistles that clarify salvation by grace through faith.
Formula or Faith?The “in Jesus’ name” baptism argument isn’t about reverence—it’s about rigidity. You’re arguing semantics over substance.
“Baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” — Matthew 28:19
The apostles didn’t reinterpret that command—they fulfilled it. Jesus isn’t a formula. He’s the fullness of God bodily. Whether someone’s baptized with “Father, Son, Spirit” or “in Jesus’ name,” what matters is faith in the real Christ, not the ritual incantation.
About Those Tongues…Acts shows tongues at Spirit-baptism moments. True. But it also shows:
Tongues may confirm. They don’t define. The Spirit blows where He will (John 3:8), not where you script it.
Final WordThe Gospel is not a math equation:
Faith + Repentance + Baptism + Tongues = Salvation.
That’s sacramental arithmetic, not saving faith.
Salvation is a miracle—yes. But it’s God’s miracle, on His terms, and He says:
“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.” — Acts 16:31
“By grace you have been saved through faith…” — Ephesians 2:8
“Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” — Romans 10:13
That’s not watered-down grace. That’s blood-bought reality.
So let’s not build our theology on one chapter and call it the full Gospel. The whole counsel of God doesn’t need a revision—it needs reverence.
Repent. Believe. Obey. But never confuse the root with the fruit.
Because if you need baptism to finish what the cross didn’t—
you’re not preaching Gospel. You’re preaching gap insurance.
StephenAndrew… peace to you, but brother, this isn’t OMNILogical—it’s OMNIbewildering. You’ve turned the Gospel into a metaphysical word salad with “One Holy Spirit Family” as the dressing, and I don’t know whether to say amen or call a translator.
Let’s cut through the poetic fog with a scalpel of Scripture:
The Gospel Ain’t That ComplicatedYou don’t need a mystical decoder ring to understand salvation. You don’t need OMNILogic. You need the cross. Paul didn’t say, “I determined to know nothing among you except metaphysical fusion through sacramental matrices.” He said:
“I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.” — 1 Cor. 2:2
All this talk of the New Eve, OMNI Eyes, incarnate logic, and metaphysical transformation? Sounds profound. But it’s spiritually confusing, not scripturally clarifying. And God is not the author of confusion (1 Cor. 14:33).
Baptism and Penance Don’t Apply the Blood—Christ DoesYes, baptism is a command. Yes, repentance is essential. But let’s get this straight: you’re not saved by sacraments—you’re saved by a Savior.
“Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.” — Hebrews 9:22
“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us…” — Titus 3:5
Sacraments are signs. Christ is the substance. When you start saying things like “flesh becoming incorruptibility through contact with the Host,” we’re one incense cloud away from turning Jesus into a theological potion.
Logical Tongues?You say you’re not speaking in tongues, just “logical tongues.” Friend, I’ve read the prophets. I’ve read Paul. But this? This ain’t edification—it’s a theological Rubik’s Cube. If you have to read it four times and still need a nap, it’s not light, it’s noise.
Clarity isn’t carnal. It’s biblical.
“Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how to answer every man.” — Col. 4:6
The Word Doesn’t Need Dressing UpGod didn’t call us to OMNILogical revelation—He called us to preach Christ crucified, risen, and returning. You’re not “opening eyes” with poetic spirals. You’re muddying the waters of living truth with a blender full of symbols.
“The entrance of Your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple.” — Psalm 119:130
Final WordStephen, if people “with eyes can’t see” what you’re saying, maybe it’s not because they’re blind—maybe it’s because your message isn’t the Gospel. Christ didn’t come to make us logical. He came to make us alive.
So let’s trade OMNILogic for obedience. Let’s drop the mystical fog and preach the rugged, bloody, resurrected truth:
Jesus Christ died for sinners. Repent. Believe. Be born again. And walk in Him—clear-eyed, cross-centered, and eternally secure.
Not mystical. Not metaphorical.
Biblical. And bold.
Please re-read carefully my statements and your response here. There is a lot you are saying I disagree with that I clearly don’t in my statements. I do use other scriptures there other than Acts. So please read carefully and edit your response in this thread. Example here [quote=“The_Omega, post:14, topic:8666”]
Our Acts of obedient faith are not works to earn grace, ever. They are a free gift from God including Faith itself that are received not earned.
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