What is born again and saved?

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“God consigned all to disobedience in order that He might have mercy on all” (Romans 11:32).

Born again from the living waters of Baptism from the New Eve, God of Mercy saved through the Holy Spirit and Life in the New Adam becoming The Christ in all mankind becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Peace to all,

To me we choose the Holy Spirit Family power to manifest through the soul to manifest by th ePower fo The Holy Spirit Family to become the image of our own Personal Christ in all mankind to become again In One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, logically, really from the Faith of Abraham.

Who would argue to the logic? To become like God in two natures, logically, faithfully verified and truly God.

Surly, We all know we are saved by Faith in Jesus.

To me logically, born again and saved is through two natures in one Body, rationally.

From the failed created spirit and life natures through Adam and Eve The Family of God’s Mercy is returned through the Three Powers of The Universe from the Father through the Mother for the Son becoming The Christ in all mankind, immortality now becoming divine from the God of Mercy becoming the New Eve in all from Baptism into the Church of Christ becoming Holy Spirit Incorruption from Jesus, God of Justice in the New Adam through the Christ from Sacrifice through Penance, forgiven in all mankind becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, logically.

Never before has undefiled logical infallible intelligence been explained rationally and logically to creation until Logic, from Stephen by the Power of the Holy Spirit Family One God in being. Delivered not by preaching or proselytizing, and only through generalization do we become to know, “The Mind of God.”

Peace always,
Stephen

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Hi, unfortunately you have not proved it but added your own ideals.

I’m pretty open to accepting correction but you can’t add your own Ideal and present them as truth where the Bible is silent.

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I view the Creed as the line drawn in the sand. We must draw a line in the sand somewhere. Throughout history there have been a multitude of ways people have answered the ancient question posed by Jesus, “Who do you say I am?”. Without the historic and ancient foundation and guiding light which the Creed affords for the whole and universal Christian Church then all alternative answers become acceptable answers.

If a Jehovah’s Witness echoes the old words of Arius, that Jesus is “a god” but not “the God”, a creature and not the Creator. Ought I call them brother or sister simply because they say “Jesus” or speak of their love of the Bible? What of our Mormon friends and neighbors who say that Jesus is the literal offspring of an apotheosized man and one of his spirit wives? A line must be drawn somewhere.

The line in the sand which the Christian Church has made is the line drawn in the words of the Nicene Creed: There is one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and one Lord Jesus Christ, only begotten Son, begotten and not made, eternally begotten and of the same Essence as the Father. And the Holy Spirit, the Life-Giving Lord who with Father and Son is worshiped and glorified. One God Three Persons.

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Hey folks,

I really don’t want this thread turned into a oneness discussion because we already have a very lengthy topic for that here:

I’ve moved a bunch of posts over to that thread but I can’t keep doing that all the time… I need y’all to pay attention to what you’re posting and if it is oneness, put it in that thread.

Thanks!

Fritz

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It’s something I’m not willing to compromise on.

Johann.

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Thank you for your sincerity and willingness to engage thoughtfully. I truly respect your openness to correction, and I want to assure you that my response wasn’t meant to insert personal ideals into Scripture, but to honor the full counsel of God’s Word as revealed through the apostles and the unfolding narrative of the New Testament. The beauty of God’s Word is that it interprets itself when we allow Scripture to speak in harmony with Scripture. When I referenced Acts 2:38 as a pattern, it wasn’t based on private interpretation—it was because we see that same pattern echoed throughout the book of Acts: repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost. That’s not just Peter’s opinion—it’s the Spirit-filled response to the birth of the Church, confirmed again in Acts 8, 10, 19, and beyond.

I understand the concern about going beyond where the Bible speaks, and I agree—we must be cautious not to add to or take away from what is written. But I also believe that when Scripture consistently affirms a truth, even across different scenarios and people groups, we are responsible to uphold that pattern as doctrine, not dismiss it as cultural or circumstantial. Peter wasn’t innovating—he was delivering God’s revealed plan. And Paul reinforced it when he re-baptized the disciples at Ephesus in Jesus’ name (Acts 19), not because they were rebellious, but because their previous baptism lacked the full revelation of Christ.

This isn’t about dogma for dogma’s sake—it’s about loving God enough to follow Him in obedience, not just belief. We are not saved by works, but faith has always had a voice, a step, a response. Noah built, Abraham journeyed, Israel applied the blood, and the early Church was baptized in Jesus’ name and filled with His Spirit. That’s not my ideal—it’s the apostolic pattern, and I hold to it not to argue, but because it changed my life.

I speak from both study and personal experience. I’ve seen what happens when someone repents, goes down in Jesus’ name, and rises to walk in newness of life with the Spirit filling their heart—it’s not ritual, it’s resurrection power. I share this not to win a debate, but because I want you and anyone else reading to know the fullness of what Scripture offers. If there’s more God wants to do in us—why not receive it all?

With all respect and love, I encourage you to re-read the pattern with fresh eyes. Not through the lens of denominational tradition or suspicion of excess, but with a heart that says, “Lord, if this is You—show me.” And I believe He will.

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10 posts were merged into an existing topic: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: How Do You Understand the Godhead?

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A young guy woos the ladies he wants. Finally it pays off and a young lady responds. He says, “Will you marry me”? She responds and states she loves him and cannot live without him. She has faith that he will be one with her and always take care of her. He loves her and seals the deal with an oath and ring. Jesus said this was the way the Father set it up from the beginning. The Holy Ghost of Jesus woos those to be his bride; we accept by faith the words and testimonies of his love and promises to us. We realize the truth in his words and that Jesus does love us according to the gospel and the truth in his words. We realize Jesus does love us and will protect us from evil to our souls. Jesus then seals us for eternal life with him in heaven by the indwelling of his Holy Ghost. We first accepted this born again feeling by faith, but as time goes by in unison with Jesus and the word of God, the truth of our salvation is almost like a guarantee in gold that it is the real thing. A person can lose their faith in following God and his only begotten son, but once he is satisfied by his faith and the word of God in his life, he cannot lose the salvation that faith and God’s promise provides. God proves himself to us daily through Jesus.

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Peace to all,

Thanks, Johann

and what was the purpose of the bosom of Abraham?

Peace always,
Stephen

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Brother–

The “bosom of Abraham” was a place of rest and comfort for the righteous dead, awaiting the redemptive work of Christ. After Christ’s death and resurrection, the way to the Father was opened (Heb_10:20), and this intermediate state ceased in function for the saints. Now, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (2Co_5:8).

No “purgatory”

God bless.

Johann.

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They waited for resurrection in the flesh nature through the Christ, becoming again one body from the spirit nature through the flesh nature one God

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@StephenAndrew, why are you having a “tough time with the Trinity”? Is it because you can’t reason it out? Is it because your mind can’t wrap itself around it? Well, join the crowd. I’m almost 83 years old, and I’ve never figured it out, even though it’s clear to me that the Bible teaches it, especially in the Gospel of John.

A long time ago, I decided that my mind can’t fully understand God and that I had to submit myself to his inspired Word. After all, who am I to figure God out completely?

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