yes @sincereseeker, i elucidated this matter on a post, I’ll just give you a mention, so that u can see that post, and review it at your convenience. And yes bro in my post, I recognised Moltmann’s theology is flawed when you look with orthodox lens. I just introduced Moltmann’s theology as another face of this discussion. Also, yes, I have recognised that Jesus didn’t lose his divinity (kenosis topic), and katabasis, too I have elucidated more on my later posts as a reply to Joe and Who-me
Sorry, it seems a things got a bit jumbled with some posts being merged.
When Jesus cried out, “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34), He was expressing the deep anguish of bearing the full weight of humanity’s sin upon Himself. This moment is profoundly significant because it reveals both the physical and spiritual suffering Jesus endured on the cross. The words are a direct quote from Psalm 22:1, a Messianic psalm that begins in despair but ends in victory. By invoking this psalm, Jesus was not only expressing genuine agony but also pointing His hearers to the fulfillment of Scripture—that He was the suffering Messiah foretold by David.
This cry highlights the mystery of the incarnation: that God in Christ experienced real human suffering, including the feeling of separation. Not that the eternal unity of the Godhead was broken—God cannot be divided—but in His humanity, Jesus bore the judgment for sin, and sin causes separation (Isaiah 59:2). In that moment, Jesus was standing in the place of sinners, absorbing the wrath that justice demands, so we could be reconciled to God (2 Corinthians 5:21). It was not a cry of defeat, but of substitution. He was forsaken so that we might be accepted. This moment on the cross underscores the depth of Christ’s love and the cost of our redemption.
Yet Jesus cried out, Why have you forsaken me!
Jesus was not play acting, he clearly was in intense spiritual distress.
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Isaiah 49:
14 But Zion said, “The Lord has forsaken me,
the Lord has forgotten me.”
Identification with Zion. Maybe Christ was speaking for all who had felt forsaken.
Or maybe the Gospel writers were tying another connection to the prophecy in Isaiah 49.
Jesus quotes Psalm 22:1:
“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, from the words of my groaning?
Psa 22:2 O my God, I cry by day, but you do not answer, and by night, but I find no rest.
Psa 22:3 Yet you are holy, enthroned on the praises of Israel.”
Similar to David’s situation, Jesus’ enemies have gathered around him, but he resolves this questioning lament given to the Father by his later words, “Into your hands, I give my spirit,” just before he dies.
Luk_23:46 Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.
Yes he quoted the psalm, but was he play acting or was he quoting in a real anguish of spirit, expressing the real pain he felt.
Real anguish as fully human Jesus. Later, he submitted his spirit to the Father as fully God–a real mystery.
I do believe Jesus was God in flesh, so some will ask me if Jesus was talking to himself when he said this. I’d say these words were meant for us to hear, not God.
But if I’m wrong, and if Jesus was another person other than God, I still think these words were meant for us to hear, not God.
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@BobEstey, why would you say that they weren’t meant for God, when they are addressed to him, just as David’s words in Psalm 22 are meant for God? You’ve been communicating with a former English teacher–me.