Why Is God’s Growth in Our Lives Often Slower Than We Expect?

Thanx @Johann
I appreciate your comments.

As i said, I was already familiar with the Keil and Delitzsch understanding, so I was really looking for how the verse (or “jussive” as K&D see it) presented itself to your keen (sharpened) mind. I appreciate your personal weighing-in on the subject.

You mentioned

Ecclesiastes 10:10

If the ax is dull, And one does not sharpen the edge, Then he must use more strength; But wisdom brings success.

Ezekiel 21:9)

'A sword, a sword is sharpened And also polished!

Psalm 64:3

Who sharpen their tongue like a sword, And bend their bows to shoot their arrows–bitter words, That they may shoot in secret at the blameless; Suddenly they shoot at him and do not fear. They encourage themselves in an evil matter; They talk of laying snares secretly; They say, “Who will see them?”

But you didn’t comment (as I had hoped) on the other verse I shared, where the Hebrew verb behind ‘sharpens’ (ḥādad, hadah) is rendered “fierce”.

Habakkuk 1:8

Their horses also are swifter than leopards, And more fierce than evening wolves. Their chargers charge ahead; Their cavalry comes from afar; They fly as the eagle that hastens to eat.

Where “Horses sharper than evening wolves” doesn’t make as much sense. Maybe “keener than evening wolves” does however.

I sure don’t doubt, or challenge the idea that fellowship generally benefits both parties, and that we are encouraged to encourage one another daily. I regularly hear this proverb used metaphorically for the admonition towards that sort of mutual benefit, and I was not sure we were using the right “jussive” for the admonition.

I sure appreciate your understanding. You have surely “sharpened” me in your sense of the word, and have not, my friend, “hardened my face” in any way.

Thanx
KP

Glad to hear you are already familiar with Keil and Delitzsch, @Kpuff. Are there any other secondary sources you would recommend?

ḥāḏaḏ, חָדָה
ḥāḏāh: I. A verb meaning to be keen; to slash, to sharpen, be quick, be fierce. It describes the horses of the Babylonian cavalry in the evening as more quick, keen, or fierce than wolves (Hab_1:8). It depicts a sharpened sword as both literal and symbolic of the Lord’s “sword” of imminent judgment on Israel (Ezk_21:9-11 [14-16], Ezk_21:16 [21]).
II. A verb meaning to sharpen. It is used of iron sharpening iron from which comes the simile of one person sharpening another (Pro_27:17).

H2300. chadad
[חָדַד] verb be sharp, keen (Aramaic חֲדַד; Late Hebrew חִדֵּד sharpen; Arabic be sharp and sharpen; Assyrian Piel uddudu, sharpen, DlPr 174, W 121) — Qal Perfect עֶרֶב מִזְּאֵבֵי וְחַדּ֫וּ consecutive Hab_1:8 are keener than evening wolves (of impetuous Chaldean horses). Hiphil הֵחֵד (Che Or Brd) or יַחֵד (Näg compare Dr§ 123 a, R), insert Isa_44:12 after ᵑ6 ᵐ5: the smith sharpeneth an axe.
Hophal Perfect3feminine singular הוּחַדָּה Ezk_21:14; Ezk_21:15; Ezk_21:16 be sharpened (in all, subject חֶרֶב). — See also 1. חדה. I. [חָדָה] verb be or grow sharp; — Qal grow sharp, Imperfect with apocope = jussive יָ֑חַד Pro_27:17 a; Hiphil sharpen (figurative), Imperfect apoc. יַ֫חַד Pro_27:17 b; מְּנֵירֵֿעֵהוּ יַחְד וְאִישׁ יָ֑חַד בְּבֶרְזֶל בַּרְזֶל let iron by means of iron grow sharp, and let a man sharpen the countenance (presence, bearing) of his friend; — so KiMichl. 126 a De Now KöLgb i, 373 f., compare Str. (who however makes both forms Hiph`il)

If you go to the Septuagint you will find this

Pro 27:17 IronG4604 [2ironG4604 1sharpens];G3690.3 and a manG435 G1161 sharpensG3947 the faceG4383 of his companion.G2083

Total Occurrences: 2
παροξύνεται paroxýnetai (1) V-PPI-3S
easily provoked 1Co_13:5
παρωξύνετο parôxýneto (1) V-IPI-3S
was stirred Act_17:16
English to Strong’s
provoked G2042, G3947
stirred G1892, G3947, G3951, G4531, G4787, G4797

paroxúnō; fut. paroxunṓ, from pará (G3844), at the point of, unto, implying movement toward a certain point, and oxúnō (G3691), to sharpen, incite, irritate. To sharpen or whet (Sept.: Deu_32:41). Metaphorically, to sharpen the mind, temper, or courage of someone, to incite, to impel. In the NT, it means to provoke or rouse to anger or indignation; only in the mid. / pass. paroxúnomai (Act_17:16; 1Co_13:5; Sept.: Deu_1:34; Deu_9:18-19).
Deriv.: paroxusmós (G3948), incitement, provocation, paroxysm.
Syn.: erethízō (G2042), to excite, stir up; parorgízō (G3949), to provoke to wrath or anger; parazēlóō (G3863), to provoke to jealousy.

so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend; by conversation with him; thus learned men sharpen one another’s minds, and excite each other to learned studies; Christians sharpen one another’s graces, or stir up each other to the exercise of them, and the gifts which are bestowed on them, and to love and to good works. So Jarchi and Gersom understand it of the sharpening of men’s minds to the learning of doctrine; but Aben Ezra, takes it in an ill sense, that as iron strikes iron and sharpens it, so a wrathful man irritates and provokes wrath in another. Some render the words, “as iron delighteth in iron, so a man rejoiceth the countenance of his friend”, (i): by his company and conversation.
Gill.

So with all the evidence on the table, and seeing how commentators differ on this verse, the real question is who has the stronger case, and whether this is truly an issue that touches salvation?

How dost thou answer? Let’s “whisper” to each other Achi.

Thanx @Johann.
I’m going to trust your understanding, even though Jarchi and Gersom may have read as “provoking”, sort of like I was asking about. Thanks for the thorough investigation. I appreciate you.

KP

As I appreciate you @KPuff and your knowledge of Scripture.

J.

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@Johann, I think what you were saying is "God’s growth in our lives is often slower than we expect" because even iron sharpening iron is a process that takes time, maybe more than we expect.

(How’d I do @Fritzpw_Admin)?

Affectionately
KP

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@KPuff
A slooowww process, growth wise, and appreciate your chochmah and etza.

J.

Greetings in the Lord Fritzpw_Admin

Why does God allow growth to happen in such gradual steps? Because God has to deal with the heart,will,mnd,and emotions.

God gave human beings Free Will and HE would like for us to give HIM back our Free Will for HIS Perfect Will to take place in our heart,will,mind,emotions and body which is HIS Word to be perfected in us by HIS Holy Spirit as we willingly yield to HIM in love and faith in Jesus name.

Being renewed in our thinking is the biggest part of spiritual growth. Being led by the Holy Spirit needs our commitment to listen,trust,and obey by faith in Jesus name. Believing what the Lord has said is another factor and most people are to grown up to simply have childlike faith in God.

Obedience out of love and faith in God is what He desires from our heart. It takes a willing heart to say YES to the Lord and even a Yes requires HIS grace.

Remember Galatians 5:17, Romans 12:1-3,Ephesians 4:23,1 Samuel 15:22,
Deut.28:1-14, Deut.8:1-20,Romans 5:5, Gal.5:22-23,Mark 11:22,
Mark 11:24-26, 2 Corinthians 8:12,2 Corinth.10:5-6,John 14:17,
Romans 8:25

God teaches us in little things but even in little things HE requires our obedience through love,faith,grace and His mercies that are New every day. Most people won’t pass the test of little things before God can allow new growth in spiritual things.

Blessings to you and your household in Jesus name

Our carnal inclinations slows our Spiritual progress.

An orthodox priest explains it perfectly: