There you go assuming too much again. I don’t struggle with Romans 14, I simply disagree with your private interpretation of it.
And yeah, when reading God’s Word, you are… required to remain on the topic at hand written in the Scripture instead of straying away from it like you did, and then adding your own doctrines into it that are not there.
And once again, you wrongly try to plant FALSENESS into my mouth claiming things I never said. That brands you as an UNTRUSTWORTHY individual, not a brother in Christ Jesus. It shows a lack of honesty in The Word of God because it shows you will make up or say anything and try to present it as the truth. Lord Jesus is watching… you, in case you don’t know.
I NEVER SAID ALL OF JERUSALEM IS DESTROYED WITH CHRIST’S 2ND COMING ON THE LAST 7TH VIAL OF REVELATION 16.
So how many more times are you going to FALSELY CLAIM that I did say such a thing, when that is an idea that CAME UP IN YOUR OWN MIND?
Do Not Pass Judgment on One Another
Rom 14:1 Accept anyone who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of arguing over differences of opinion.
Rom 14:2 One person believes that he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.
Rom 14:3 The person who eats any kind of food must not ridicule the person who does not eat them, and the person who does not eat certain foods must not criticize the person who eats them, for God has accepted him.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to criticize someone else’s servant? He stands or falls before his own Lord—and stand he will, because the Lord makes him stand.
Rom 14:5 One person decides in favor of one day over another, while another person decides that all days are the same. Let each one be fully convinced in his own mind:
Rom 14:6 The one who observes a special day, observes it to honor the Lord. The one who eats, eats to honor the Lord, since he gives thanks to God. And the one who does not eat, refrains from eating to honor the Lord; yet he, too, gives thanks to God.
Rom 14:7 For none of us lives for himself, and no one dies for himself.
Rom 14:8 If we live, we live to honor the Lord; and if we die, we die to honor the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
Rom 14:9 For this reason the Messiah died and returned to life, so that he might become the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Rom 14:10 Why, then, do you criticize your brother? Or why do you despise your brother? For all of us will stand before the judgment seat of God.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, “As certainly as I live, declares the Lord, every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will praise God.”
Rom 14:12 Consequently, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Do Not Cause Another to Stumble
Rom 14:13 Therefore, let’s no longer criticize each other. Instead, make up your mind not to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.
Rom 14:14 I know—and have been persuaded by the Lord Jesus—that nothing is unclean in and of itself, but it is unclean to a person who thinks it is unclean.
Rom 14:15 For if your brother is being hurt by what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not destroy the person for whom the Messiah died by what you eat.
Rom 14:16 Do not allow what seems good to you to be spoken of as evil.
Rom 14:17 For God’s kingdom does not consist of food and drink, but of righteousness, peace, and joy produced by the Holy Spirit.
Rom 14:18 For the person who serves the Messiah in this way is pleasing to God and approved by people.
Rom 14:19 Therefore, let’s keep on pursuing those things that bring peace and that lead to building up one another.
Rom 14:20 Do not destroy God’s action for the sake of food. Everything is clean, but it is wrong to make another person stumble because of what you eat.
Rom 14:21 The right thing to do is to avoid eating meat, drinking wine, or doing anything else that makes your brother stumble, upset, or weak.
Rom 14:22 As for the faith you do have, have it as your own conviction before God. How blessed is the person who has no reason to condemn himself because of what he approves!
Rom 14:23 But the person who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not act in faith; and anything that is not done in faith is sin.
For the sake of the readers.
J.
You are just all over the place, showing a major lack of accurate Bible study. Interesting enough, I run into that kind of mindset often with those deceived into the false pre-trib rapture theory. They don’t really study God’s Word accurately for themselves, which is how they are so easily duped by false preachers they heed instead.
There is only 2 comings by Lord Jesus Christ prophesied in The Old Testament (See Zechariah 9:9-10).
Christ’s 1st coming was meek as a lamb to die on the cross for the remission of sins of those who believe. His 2nd coming will be when He ‘literally’… will take rule over the whole earth over all peoples and over all nations, including the wicked.
His Kingdom from the time of the cross up to His future 2nd coming is about His Kingdom established on earth VIA THE HOLY SPIRIT. It does not represent His future ‘literal’ physical Kingdom that will be established here on earth over all nation when He returns. The true Church today is His Church by The Holy Spirit. And it is FAITH on Jesus Christ, his death and resurrection, that is directly linked to giving of The Holy Spirit to those who believe (Galatians 3:13-14).
There will be only ONE APPEARING by Lord Jesus at His future 2nd coming, because that is all that is written about. Your false belief that He raptures the Church prior to His 2nd coming return is a DOCTRINE OF MEN, and is not written in God’s Word.
On the “day of the Lord”, which is the last day of this present world, that is when Jesus will appear coming in the clouds and the unbelieving Jews will see Him, and then those of true Israel that rejected Him will then mourn for Him. On that “day of the Lord”, when Paul’s “last trump”, the 7th trumpet sounds, and God’s cup of wrath with the 7th Vial is poured out upon the earth, all that COINCIDES with Jesus’ appearing in the clouds with ONLY His saints that He brings with Him FROM HEAVEN (1 Thess.4:13-16). Then the saints still alive on earth are “caught up” to Him in the “air”, with His resurrected saints, and they all GO WITH JESUS TO THE MOUNT OF OLIVES EAST OF JERUSALEM, ON EARTH (See 1 Thess.4:17 and Zech.14).
And I do not pass judgment on others. That is Lord Jesus’ Power only given Him by The Father.
But I can… WARN… brethren of their error, IF… they are in error. And trying to use Romans 14 so the children of darkness can push ANY DOCTRINE OF MEN THEY WANT is deserving of MAJOR REBUKE. If Apostle Paul were alive and heard the junk you and TCC are trying to pass off about Romans 14, Paul would have a fit!
Oh, maybe some here need reminding of what else Paul said…
1 Tim 1:8-11
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
KJV
OH NO!!! You and TCC, what Paul said there in 1 Timothy 1 just won’t do! Because one would have to JUDGE the ungodly and sinner for what Paul said there to apply. And I love Paul for saying that 11th verse, “According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.”
I hate to bring this up brethren in Christ here on this Forum, but it appears it is needed.
World Communism is still very active and alive today. In case brethren are not aware, one of Soviet Communism’s long-range strategies against the Christian West is to infiltrate the Churches and preach pacifist dogma and disarmament. Moscow even holds religious summits for Christian pastors from time to time. This is where they try to use the ‘judge not lest ye be judged’ quote by Lord Jesus to get Christians to just lay down to their anti-Christian communist policies.
In Luke 22, when Jesus was sending out His disciples on the road in final, to preach The Gospel, He told them that whoever had extra clothing or money, to go buy a sword if they didn’t have one. That means a SWORD FOR SELF DEFENSE. Because He commanded them to do that, means His saying to love thine enemy and turn the other cheek involves a different situation than self-defense from a murderer or soldier in war. The turn the other cheek idea resulted from having preached The Gospel, and the enemies of Christ slap you on the cheek for doing so, a major mark of disgrace in the era of Lord Jesus’ 1st coming. Offer them the other cheek also in that case. A slap is not the same idea as a thief or murderer coming at you with a weapon to try and kill you.
Paul in 1 Timothy 1 and 1 Corinthians 6 reiterates things in God’s law that are STILL IN EFFECT IN CHRISTIAN SOCIETY. It is stll against the law today to do murder, thefts, perjury, those things that Paul listed. And the sinner doing those things can put them in jail or prison. This is why Paul in the previous ROMANS 13 CHAPTER preached that we still have to be subject to the HIGHER POWERS, because God is Who has put them in power. God GAVE THEM THE POWER TO JUDGE, EVEN ‘DEATH PENALTY’ JUDGMENTS FOR MURDER.
What is there is charity toward our brother. Charity in consideration of their viewing differences. That principle is there. The ones famous for getting eschatology “right” are pretty much cults. But since you are the one looking at the word, being overly certain of your own views cannot happen to you. How is that assuming you do not have charity towards brothers and sisters in their differing views on eschatology?
Here is the comment I am referring to.
Brother I did not say you said. I said you cannot conceive how I see that. That is not putting words in your mouth. Please don’t use it conveniently in the temporal flesh by not staying with the argument.
AGAIN – ON THAT ISSUE:
You have stated that earthly Jerusalem is the great city. I asked you how is it that God judges the great city in the final vial judgement while inviting them into the Millennial kingdom setting up rulership from Jerusalem.
If I had your argument, trying to put myself honestly in your shoes, I would likely say: "The great city is Jerusalem. And it does get judged by God for being that wicked city. And God does destroy it. And then He sets up a new one He rules from during the thousand year reign. – That is what I would understand the answer to likely be. And if so, its not an entirely bad argument.
Rev 16
**19 **The great city [i]was split into three parts, and the cities of the [j]nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered in the sight of God, to give her the cup of the wine of [k]His fierce wrath.
Rev 19
3 then shows the heavenly chorus praising God, noting that Babylon’s smoke will rise “forever and ever,” emphasizing the permanence of her judgment
So what I am asking is if you see Jerusalem as the great city synonymous with Babylon the Great “great city” then it is in judgement on display forever. And I am asking that because those would be the implications. So I am not sure why we are not talking about the same thing. So what is difference then what I am presenting according to your view then?
Understanding the deeper things of prophecy yet to come is not “the law.” Why are you confusing law with future to yet be fulfilled prophecy? Paul also wrote 1 Cor 13. He warned against having all knowledge and not having love.
I can’t speak for Johann (whom by the way on other threads are often in pretty stern disagreements brother), but do I see different views of eschatology as a problem in the church? Yes. I do. But the bigger problem i see is groups having your attitude with differing views than yours. Views that would call you demonic for not accepting the pretrib rapture. Views that would call Christians weak and fleshy if they did not see end times as they do. That is pretty ripe today. And a different version of the same commercial vehicle you are driving in. You just happen to be post trib rapture if i understand correctly.
But the problem i see is it is very fleshy and immature for Christians to run around all over the place pointing fingers at those who are wrong about eschatology. So I will use Jesus own words to demonstrate my point:
John 15:12-17
12 “This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. **13 **Greater love has no one than this, that a person will lay down his life for his friends. **14 **You are My friends if you do what I command you. **15 **No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, because all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. **16 **You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. **17 **This I command you, that you love one another.
In other words, it would appear that those that hear the Father tend to love the brethren. You may say “warning” is love. As the church today has adopted “tough love” stances too. But what was the context in which Jesus said that about love? After He rebuked them for being incorrect? No. It was after the passover meal and foot washing. And that He will lay down His life.
In 1970, as a brand-new Jesus Freak, I fell prey to Hal Lindsey and a variety of other folks who taught that the end was nigh. Dropped out of school, and eventually quit my job to do “full-time ministry.” After all, since Jesus was coming back “at any moment,” that made total sense. To justify my “living by faith,” I banged on the “last days” message all the louder, alienating my family so severely that most of them turned their backs on the Lord. I awoke after five years, and began the painful process of resuming my life, after a prolonged season away from responsible living. A wise friend told me that I got off easy. Apocalyptic hysteria cost many people far more than just five years off task.
I remember the frantic desperation of those days when things just did not seem to make sense. I “knew” that we were almost out of time. I “knew” that the routine duties of life were irrelevant, given the urgency of the hour. I “knew” that I was in the know – but why was no one who knew me impressed by my desperate assertions? Why could I not get any traction with my life? The less effective I became at normal human obligations and interactions, the more desperately I banged on the “time is short” drum, trying to convince myself that I wasn’t barking up the wrong tree.
Psalm 110 is the most frequently quoted or cited OT chapter in the NT – and it speaks of a reigning Lord Who will continue reigning until all but one of His enemies have been defeated. THEN, not before, He will return in person to defeat the one remaining enemy, death. Well, at this point in history, I see a lot of butts that still need to be kicked.
The prevalence of scatalogical ends argues for the remoteness of the eschatological End.
The intrepretation of Psalm 110 that you share here caught my eye, and I confess, this it the first time I’m hearing it put this way. I think I understand your personal poetic conclusion…
…but I’m not sure how you arrived at your conclusion from this Psalm.
Psalm 110:1-7 (NKJV)
The LORD [ YHWH, yehōwāh] said to my Lord [ādôn],
"Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool. The LORD shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion. Rule in the midst of Your enemies! Your people shall be volunteers In the day of Your power; In the beauties of holiness, from the womb of the morning, You have the dew of Your youth. The LORD has sworn And will not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”The Lord [ʾad̠ōnāy] is at Your right hand; He shall execute kings in the day of His wrath.
He shall judge among the nations, He shall fill the places with dead bodies, He shall execute the heads of many countries.
He shall drink of the brook by the wayside; Therefore He shall lift up the head.
If you have time and inclination, and are still willing to “kick my butt” for The Kingdom, I’d sure like to hear you more on this.
Thanx
KP
Psalm 110:1 has.
נְאֻם יְהוָה לַאדֹנִי
neʾum YHWH laʾădōnî
“An oracle of YHWH to my lord.”
This is אֲדֹנִי (adoni), not אֲדֹנָי (Adonai).
That distinction is grammatically significant when comparing Psalm 110:1 with Psalm 110:5.
The OJB reads thus…
Sit at My Right Hand
Psa 110:1
Of Dovid
Mizmor
Hashem said unto Adoni [i.e., Moshiach Adoneinu; Malachi 3:1], Sit thou at My right hand, until I make thine enemies a footstool for thy feet.
Psa 110:2 [3] Hashem shall stretch forth the rod of thy might out of Tziyon; rule thou in the midst of thine [Moshiach’s] enemies [i.e., anti-Moshiachs].
Psa 110:3 [4] Thy [Moshiach’s Messianic] people, willing in the Day of thy [Moshiach’s called up] Army, will be arrayed in the splendor of kodesh (holiness); from the womb of the dawn, cometh to thee [Moshiach] thy young men [cf Isa 53:10] as the tal (dew) [Rv 19:14].
Psa 110:4 [5] Hashem hath sworn, and will not relent, Thou [Moshiach] art a kohen l’olam al divrati Malki-Tzedek (kohen forever in respect to the order of Malki-Tzedek; [see Bereshis 14:18; note it is the kohen who makes kapporah for sin—see Leviticus 4:20; Isa 53:8).
Psa 110:5 [6] Adonoi at thy right hand shall dash melachim (kings) in pieces in the Yom Afo (Day of His Wrath).
Psa 110:6 [7] He [Adonoi acting through Moshiach] shall judge among the Goyim, He shall heap up geviyyot (corpses); He shall dash in pieces Rosh (Head; Gn 3:15] al Eretz Rabbah (over Great, Whole Earth, cf 2Th 2:8).
Psa 110:7 [8] Of the brook in the Derech shall he [Moshiach] drink; therefore shall he lift up [as victor] the Rosh [Moshiach’s head; PP 2:8-10; Ep 4:15].
Shalom KP.
J.
Yes, thank you Johann
I was hoping @Dr_S would explain how he intreprets Psalm 110 to say:
He seems to draw the conclusion (I could be wrong) that God will systematically pick off His enemies, one-by-one, slowly reducing the number of them until there is only the enemy of Death left remaining. His concluding remark being intrepreted, since there is still so much “bad” in the world, His coming to end it all must still be very far off. It’s an interesting supposition that I’m hoping he explains better for a simpleton like myself.
Thanx for your input. I’m anxiously waiting to hear from the good @Dr_S.
KP
A simply parable clarifies what each eschatological position expects and celebrates and encourages.
Postmillennial Christians play to win, filled with confidence in the Coach and the Playbook.
Amillennial Christians really don’t expect to move the ball too far past the 50-yard line, but they love the Coach, and will play their hearts out for Him, hoping for a tie at best.
Premillennial Christians have already conceded the game, but can’t get out of it, since it’s the only game in town. They are accustomed to letting the other team run all over them.
Dispensational Christians add a wrinkle to the premillennial commitment to personal and corporate defeat. They huddle in their own end-zones, and eagerly chat about an anticipated helicopter ride out of the game, at which point they can sit back and watch the other team and the fans in the stadium engage in a riot.
Faithful Christians are in no hurry to clock out of their assigned jobs. We share our Creator’s love for His injured creation (John 3:16 – note the direct object of the first verb!). It is our delight to grow in faithfulness and competence at our tasks. And to raise children who get a head start in life, then go on to surpass us in a variety of ways. We honor Him Who called us by paying attention to our personal and family callings.
Yes, it’s nice to know that we will temporarily park our souls in heaven while waiting for the resurrection of our bodies. But every moment we’re alive in THIS world, we can make things better for our heirs and followers.
If we are neglecting our callings, no quantity of pious vaporings will satisfy the deeply embedded drive for significance. We are hard-wired to DO STUFF. See Eph. 2:10.
Did I… actually state that earthly Jerusalem is the great city, or did GOD’S WORD state it?
Rev 11:8
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV
You can tell when I am quoting from God’s Word, can’t you?
Rev 11:13
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
KJV
Where was Lord Jesus pointing to when He said there would not be one stone left atop another in association with the day of His coming per His Olivet discourse? Where is the stone structure standing in Jerusalem called the Dome of The Rock?
The Ezekiel 40 through 47 Chapters do show Christ’s future Millennial temple, along with Jerusalem. But that still is not God’s new heavens and a new earth timing, even though His River will return to earth during Christ’s “thousand years” reign, along with the Tree of Life. I know it is difficult for some to understand, but the New Jerusalem has to do with the realm of Spirit manifested in the same space and time as the material earth. God once dwelt here, literally, upon this earth, and He has promised to return, and Jerusalem is His most favorite place in His whole creation.
The Babylon “great city” is put for Jerusalem in a fallen worship state, don’t you realize the false-Messiah is coming there to sit in a new temple to play our Lord Jesus Christ? I think it apparent that you have yet to understand just how Lucifer first rebelled against God in that old world prior to Adam and Eve. Lucifer created a beast kingdom on the earth like the one being finished today for the end of this world. Revelation 12:3-4 showed it to you, and it had only “seven crowns” while the final beast kingdom at the end of today’s world is shown in Revelation 13:1 to have “ten crowns.” Lucifer was over all “great nations” at the time of his original rebellion, and TRAFFIC of commerce was one of the things he rebelled with (See God’s parable about this in Ezekiel 28 using the “king of Tyrus” as a type for Lucifer in the old world). Lucifer is coming to our world at the end to try and play GOD once more. And Jerusalem is where he covets, because it is where God said He will dwell forever. So when that covering cherub shows up here on earth with his angels, at earthly Jerusalem, that is how Jerusalem will be SPIRITUALLY deemed as Mystery Babylon, and Babylon the “great city”. It is all about Satan coming in disguise as the “another Jesus” like Apostle Paul hinted at in 2 Corinthians 11.
I see what kind evil thinking you are pushing, and it shows your heart is not right with God. We’ve over this territory you speak of before, and you well know it is not… simply about people’s views, but instead what God’s Word AS WRITTEN says, and then letting the chips fall where they may. And it that offends those who instead listen to men and heed men’s doctrines which you try to call other people’s views, then so bet it. God’s written Word is The MEASURE, and not your nor I can change that. So what do we do?
We get into God’s WRITTEN WORD with discipline, asking Him for understanding in it in the Name of Jesus Christ. And by that, only once that is done, are those in Christ able to verify for themselves in God’s Word what their preachers are preaching. And there are a LOT… of preachers out there today that are NOT preaching God’s written Word, but instead their own words, or the word of some religious organization that Jesus did not ordain. So you need to get over your crying act; and stand up like a child of God.
How did I confuse God’s laws with future prophecy? Are you not able to separate in your mind those 3 items I listed as separate problems in today’s Church?
People like you actually are the ‘bigger problem’, because your false attitude is apparently that every believer on Christ Jesus should have their ‘own’ view, when Apostle Paul said those in Christ should be saying the same thing! But you are actually pushing chaos with your viewpoint, because a multitude of different Bible interpretations is the actually meaning the word ‘Babylon’ (i.e. confusion). There are those us who stick with what God’s WRITTEN WORD says, and then those who do not. I will NEVER agree with brethren that seek to LEAVE God’s actual WRITTEN WORD to embrace doctrines of men instead.
You can dream all kinds of fantasies that you want, and your above statement certainly is a big fantasy. IF… you had actually studied your Bible like you are supposed to, then you would have known that Lord Jesus REBUKED those who pushed the DOCTRINES AND TRADITIONS OF MEN AMONG THE JEWS. In John 8, Jesus even called the blind Pharisees sons of the devil!
Jim Baker of the PTL Club program that preached a pre-trib rapture changed his tune too, after he wound up in prison for fraud. He said prison gave him time to get into God’s written Word more, and that is when he discovered that God’s Word actually shows Jesus returns after… the tribulation, not prior to it. So when he got out of prison he started preaching a post-trib coming of our Lord Jesus, which is what is actually revealed by Lord Jesus in His Olivet discourse.
Now if brethren in Christ would only catch up to the fact in Bible Scripture about the coming of a false-Messiah to Jerusalem for the “great tribulation” and that he will play our Lord Jesus Christ with the power to work great signs, wonders, and miracles to deceive the whole world (except Christ’s elect).
Just to throw my Buck Fifty in here. I think we all miss the mark when discussing this. While believers throughout history have held differing views on the timing of the Rapture relative to the Tribulation, aka whether Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, or Post-Trib, Scripture places its strongest emphasis not on solving the timeline, but on spiritual vigilance, discernment, and active faithfulness.
I believe “Occupy till I come” in Luke 19:13 cuts through the friction of eschatological debate by shifting the focus from predicting the timeline to faithfully fulfilling the mission. First, no one truly knows.
“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” Matthew 24:36
Attempting to pin down every detail can lead to spiritual overconfidence or unnecessary strife among brethren. Admitting that finite human minds cannot fully unpack every mystery of prophecy reflects a healthy, biblical humility.
In the Parable of the Ten Pounds (Minas), the servants were given resources and a clear directive while their master was away:
“And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.” Luke 19:13
The Greek word translated “occupy” (pragmateuomai) means to do business, stay active, and carry out the Master’s work. Regardless of which Tribulation view turns out to be correct. If Christ comes Pre-Trib, we must be found faithfully working when He arrives. If believers go through part or all of the Tribulation, we must be spiritually prepared, grounded in the Word, and actively sharing the Gospel in hard times. In both cases, the daily duty of the Christian remains identical: preach the Gospel, love others, and live righteously.
Jesus Himself warned that the greatest danger of the end times would not merely be persecution, but deception:
“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” Matthew 24:24
Paul’s Warning in 2 Thessalonians 2:3–4, 8–10: The “man of sin” will exalt himself, presenting himself as God, accompanied by “all power and signs and lying wonders.”
"Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. …
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved."
If believers spend all their energy arguing over timeline charts while ignoring personal holiness, sound doctrine, and spiritual vigilance, they risk being caught off guard by spiritual deception. Just something to think about.
Peter
Enough with the condescending tone toward the members here. We can disagree without speaking down to one another. And/or calling their salvation in question @DavyP!
J.