MrE,
“There’s no wiggle room in your premise above.”
Of course not, there isn’t meant to be.
re: “How do YOU account for that third night?”
That is irrelevant to this topic. But if you were to ask in a different topic, I would say with a 5th day of the week crucifixion.
re: “It seems like you are insisting it never happened.”
I don’t see how it could have happened with the idea of a Friday crucifixion, and with the count of the 3 days and the 3 nights starting at the moment the Messiah was placed in the tomb.
Then Jesus was mistaken, misspoken, or both. Or, maybe this whole thread was intended to suggest as you now say-- a 5th day crucifixion, on Thursday rather than the traditional Friday.
What evidence to you bring to support that premise?
The Bible explicitly states, in all four Gospels, that Jesus was crucified on preparation day-
Matthew 27:62
Mark 15:42
Luke 23:54
John 19:14
Perhaps you are alluding to the possibility of a special sabbath that week and hence two separate days of sabbath preparation. Some in this camp advocate for a Wednesday crucifixion.
All
I see these several points of view, but I am having a difficult time understanding how this discussion, or even our settling on a unified conclusion can positively affect our commission to be The Light to a lost world of darkness. I‘m not criticizing the discussion, I’m actually enjoying it. So much so that I have read treatises by men far more educated on this subject than I am, and yet even among the Christian illuminati, the issue remains unsettled. From your point of view (POV of the reader), does something more important hang on settling this issue?
That notwithstanding, I also wonder how we became so sure of what Jesus was inferring when he used the metaphor “heart of the earth”. He did use a metaphor, and didn’t say …”As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, so The Son of Man will be three days and three nights dead.” Jonah wasn’t dead in the belly of the fish (although I assume he wished for it). What is the commonality between Jonah and Jesus with regard to three days and three nights. Are we married to the idea that “in the heart of the earth” can ONLY mean dead in the tomb? I can imagine other meanings.
Confidential to rstrats:
I understand, by your several admonishments, that your OP was not to try to get at a conclusion, but rather to ask someone to defend the idea that the “3 days and 3 nights” mentioned by Jesus was just a common figure of speech. (I hope I got that right) I get it; I know that what I have posted, most recently, and previously, is irrelevant to this topic, and for that I apologize.
re: “Then Jesus was mistaken, misspoken, or both. Or, maybe this whole thread was intended to suggest as you now say-- a 5th day crucifixion, on Thursday rather than the traditional Friday.”
No, not for the purpose of this topic.
re: "What evidence to you bring to support that premise? The Bible explicitly states, in all four Gospels, that Jesus was crucified on preparation day-
Matthew 27:62
Mark 15:42
Luke 23:54
John 19:14
Perhaps you are alluding to the possibility of a special sabbath that week and hence two separate days of sabbath preparation. Some in this camp advocate for a Wednesday crucifixion."
KPuff,
re: “I see these several points of view, but I am having a difficult time understanding how this discussion, or even our settling on a unified conclusion can positively affect our commission to be The Light to a lost world of darkness.”
For the purpose of this topic, it wasn’t really intended to be. I’m simply curious if it was common in the Messiah’s time to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be.
KPuff,
re: “I understand, by your several admonishments…”
I wouldn’t call them admonishments, but simply a notification that the comments have been for a different issue.
re: “…that your OP was not to try to get at a conclusion…”
Actually, it kinda is, i.e., coming to a conclusion regarding the commonality of saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be.
re: “I know that what I have posted, most recently, and previously, is irrelevant to this topic, and for that I apologize.”
No need to apologize. It’s apparently on me that the topic was not sufficiently clear as to its issue.
rstrats
No one has mentioned this verse, so I thought it might enter into your thinking on this subject, i.e. was The Apostle Paul also using a common figure of speech when said to the Corinthians:
For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.
1 Corinthians 15:3-5
Thoughts?
Rats! For once I thought I was actually staying within the parameters of the narrow topic you have proffered. I guess I’m still too blind to see the fences. Sorry.
I just don’t see where 1 Corinthians 15:3-5 shows examples of where a daytime or a night time were said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be.
Joe,
re: "1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: KJV "
As I said to KPuff, I don’t see where 1 Corinthians 15:3-5 shows examples of where a daytime or a night time were said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be. What do you have in mind?
re: Paul said Jesus rose again on ‘the third day.’ That should pretty much settle it."
