maybe but angels are not in 3-D physics
Yes, @m801, I do support you in whatever decisions you make. I do hope, though, that you can seek and find a Bible-believing church like mine, Chapel Pointe in Hudsonville, Michigan, that will subordinate the leaders’ personalities to the Scriptures and the truth. You’re on my prayer list, at any rate!
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so… my physics knowledge came from the shows Big Bang Theory, episodes of Because Science and Veritasium. explain 3-D physics. im intriged
ok sirr, if you want be to delve deeper, im happy.
Basic: x axis=linear motion, x and y axis we see projectile motion etc, its 2D, and say if I include
x, y and z axis its 3D,
r vector = x i-cap + y j-cap + z k-cap in simple terms….
So we haven’t gone beyond 3D at least some exceptions like
In relativity, we take time as 4th dimension like 3 space + 1 time
String theory goes up to 10 or 11 dimensions but idk much about it
One thing which I loved when studying quantum mechanics was hibert space and phase space, oh boyy i need to revise them.
(if you are interested, in Hilbert space its a potentially infinite-dimensional space where quantum states live out, and phase space uses dimensions for each position and momentus coordinate of particles.)
But mostly, we can settle problems out in 3D. In simple terms 3D means 3 axis, x, y and z, we can do a looot it with 
and it has given me nightmares a day before exams (both in maths and physics)
Sound, biblical advice @Bruce_Leiter
J.
im a fan of Veritasium, I have been watching him for a long timee…
Interesting.
Imagine standing at the center of a vast, invisible grid that stretches in every direction, x, y, and z, length, width, and height. Every object you see, the falling leaf, the orbiting planet, the flowing river, moves along vectors that point somewhere in this three-dimensional framework, and every motion, every force, every collision obeys the rules God ordained when He said let there be and set the stars in their courses. Physics is the language of God’s order, the way He choreographs the universe, and the laws we discover are echoes of His mind.
Now Paul steps in and says there is a fourth dimension, unseen but no less real. It is the axis of eternity, where Christ’s love and sustaining power stretch beyond what the eye can perceive. In Ephesians 3:18–19, Paul maps breadth, length, height, and depth, three of which you can measure, the fourth of which is God Himself, His relational, eternal reality touching all creation. Every vector in the universe moves within God’s hands, but time, purpose, and redemption exist along this fourth axis. Colossians 1:16–17 makes it clear, everything visible and invisible is held together by Christ, all motion, all space, all energy, everything obeys Him.
Three-dimensional physics is real, tangible, measurable, and breathtaking, but when we add Paul’s fourth dimension, we see that motion, force, and space are not just mechanics, they are windows into God’s eternal wisdom and love, a divine framework where obedience, worship, and awe are vectors that point toward Him. Studying physics, understanding vectors, calculating trajectories, and predicting motion is not merely science, it is glimpsing God’s handiwork, tracing the paths He laid out, and recognizing that behind every axis, every force, every particle, is the Creator who sustains and redeems all things.
Shalom.
J.
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Amen @Johann very true brother
I use the K.I.S.S. principle @Samuel_23 always with this in my mind-
In 1 Corinthians 1:18, the Greek word for “foolishness” is mōria (μωρία), which carries the sense of absurdity, senselessness, or utter lack of wisdom in human terms. It is the same root used in verse 20 when Paul asks rhetorically, “Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?” (mōros, μωρός, foolish).
This emphasizes that what appears nonsensical to human reasoning is precisely where God demonstrates His power.
The word for “power” is dunamis (δύναμις), indicating inherent strength, ability, or miraculous efficacy. Paul’s contrast is striking: the cross is seen as mōria to the perishing, yet it is dunamis to the saved, revealing that divine strength operates outside human expectations, beyond human philosophy or intellectual systems.
The recipients were the Corinthian believers, a mixed community of Greeks, Jews, and God-fearing Gentiles, living in a cosmopolitan city famed for rhetorical skill and philosophical debate. Paul addresses their pride in worldly wisdom, reminding them that God’s plan subverts human expectations and criteria for success. The simplicity of the gospel, Christ crucified, is not naive but supremely strategic: it confounds the wise, humbles the proud, and manifests the power of God for salvation.
This interplay of mōria and dunamis also sets up Paul’s larger theme in 1 Corinthians 1–2, where he contrasts human wisdom with God’s wisdom revealed through the Spirit, culminating in 1 Corinthians 2:7–8, where God’s “secret wisdom” is hidden from rulers and the wise of this age, so that the gospel cannot be claimed as a product of human intellect.
Shalom
J.
@Johann
Just as Paul emphasises that divine wisdom often appears foolish to human reasoning, the natural world presents patterns, laws, and dimensions that are intelligible yet point beyond human comprehension. Physics, with its measurable constants, three-dimensional space, and even the theoretical higher dimensions, reflects a sustaining order that no human intellect could invent. Colossians 1:16–17 reminds us that all things, visible and invisible, are held together in Christ — the source of both the patterns we can observe and the deeper truths that surpass our understanding.
This perspective is echoed at Cambridge’s Cavendish Laboratory, where above the entrance is an inscription from Psalm 111:2: “The works of the Lord are great; sought out of all them that have pleasure therein.” What seems natural or mechanical is, in fact, a glimpse into the divine handiwork, humbling us and pointing us toward awe, worship, and deeper understanding of the Creator.
In this sense, studying the cosmos, motion, and physical laws can be an act of spiritual reflection: it humbles us, reminds us of our limits, and invites us to recognise God’s wisdom and power, just as the cross confounds human expectations yet reveals divine strength
How the world has changed in this Age of Enlightenment, @Samuel_23, and I apologize for going off topic.
In 1 Corinthians 2:2, Paul writes, “For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.” The key Greek terms here deepen our understanding of his intent.
The verb katalambanō (καταλαμβάνω) in the phrase often translated “determined” or “resolved” carries the sense of grasping fully, seizing, or taking complete hold. Paul is not casually deciding to focus on Christ, he is deliberately, intentionally, and single-mindedly committing himself to this truth as the foundation of all his ministry among the Corinthians.
The word gnōnai (γνω) in the aorist infinitive of ginōskō (γινώσκω), “to know,” implies more than intellectual knowledge; it refers to relational, experiential, and practical understanding. Paul wants the Corinthians to truly encounter, internalize, and live in the reality of Christ crucified, not merely assent to theological facts.
Finally, the phrase Christos kai ho stauros (Χριστὸς καὶ ὁ σταυρός), “Christ and the cross,” links Jesus’ identity with His atoning death. The definite article on ho stauros emphasizes the singular, historic, salvific event of the crucifixion. Paul is highlighting the cross as the decisive act through which God’s power (dunamis) and wisdom (sophia) are revealed.
Taken together, the Greek shows that Paul’s focus is not casual, not partial, and not theoretical. He seizes, grasps, and makes central the relational truth of Jesus and His crucifixion, excluding secondary topics or worldly wisdom. To the Corinthians, steeped in philosophy and rhetorical competition, this insistence is radical: salvation is not mediated through clever argument, human intellect, or cultural prestige. It is experienced in the person and work of Christ, and Paul refuses to dilute that truth.
Shalom
J.
@Johann brother mannnn you touched on the core reason on how we should study theology and philosophy (as a matter of fact, any subject).
Doctrines should be derived from Scriptures, not moulded acc to what seems good to human intellect
In the same way, studying creation and physics can reveal God’s wisdom and sustaining power, but it points us to Him, not replaces the need to know Him personally. As the inscription at Cambridge’s Cavendish Laboratory says, “The works of the Lord are great; sought out of all them that have pleasure therein” (Psalm 111:2). Our study of the world can lead us to awe and worship, echoing Paul’s call to grasp Christ and the cross in every aspect of life.
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dang SCIENCE!
so saying angels are not in 3d physics mean (please correct if im wrong) they are 2d in the sense of on paper because its only x and y vectors.
yes great channel. for me veritasium and because science tie, second is ‘the physics girl’
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so in the theory of alternate or multiple universes. if these were to exsist would that be a version Pauls 4th dimension or the same 3 x,y,z excluding a4th.
My oh my @m801
You are forcing Paul into categories he never used. Paul never speculated about alternate universes or physics-style dimensions. When he speaks of the unseen, he is pointing to the eternal realm of God, not to a multiverse theory.
In 2 Corinthians 12:2 he says he was “caught up to the third heaven,” which is not a parallel cosmos but the very dwelling of God beyond the sky and the stars. In Ephesians 3:18 he speaks of the breadth and length and height and depth of Christ’s love, but that is not geometry, it is the fullness of salvation in the cross.
You are trying to jam speculative science into inspired Scripture. The multiverse, even if it existed, would still be created, bound by time, decay, and limitation. Paul is not talking about another set of X, Y, Z coordinates, he is talking about an eternal reality that “the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal” (2 Corinthians 4:18).
Paul’s “dimension” is not physics, it is theology. It is not a universe beside ours, it is the kingdom of God that invaded this world when Christ was crucified and raised. So no, do not confuse the musings of scientists with the revelation of the Spirit. One speculates about what may be, the other declares what is- Jesus Christ risen and reigning at the right hand of God.
Paul says in 1 Corinthians 2:2, “For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.” The Corinthian church was being pulled by worldly wisdom, Greek philosophy, and lofty speculation, but Paul cut it off at the root. He was not interested in human theories, he preached the cross. In the same passage he rebuked those who boasted in clever speech, saying in 1 Corinthians 1:22–23, “For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles.”
When Paul speaks of being “caught up to the third heaven” in 2 Corinthians 12:2–4, he is not mapping dimensions, he is defending his apostleship by pointing to visions God gave him. The context is suffering and weakness, not cosmic speculation, for in verse 9 Christ says to him, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness.” Paul’s point is that the power of Christ rests upon him through the cross, not through mystical exploration of hidden universes.
When he speaks in Ephesians 3:18 about the breadth, length, height, and depth, the context is not geometry but the surpassing love of Christ revealed at the cross. He prays that believers may be “rooted and grounded in love” and may “know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge” (verses 17–19). Again, the center is the crucified and risen Christ, not spatial theory.
So if you want Paul’s “fourth dimension,” it is not in physics, it is in the eternal reality of the cross. The world may run after clever wisdom, but Paul’s answer is unwavering. “I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me” (2 Corinthians 12:9). The only doorway into that eternal realm is the crucified Son of God, who “loved me and gave Himself for me” (Galatians 2:20).
Shalom.
J.
Angels exist in the same dimension as God.
Congress rattled by video showing missile strike on orb that would not break
did anyone see this? not saying alians but it is an unkown object. technicaly UFO
saw this on a couple news sources
Not exactly. Angels aren’t 2D or 3D — they’re immaterial. They can appear in our world, but their true nature isn’t bound to physical dimensions like matter is
If we bring string theory into the conversation, it’s important to remember what it is and what it isn’t. String theory is a physical model that tries to explain the fundamental building blocks of matter and energy by describing them as tiny vibrating strings, existing in more than the familiar three dimensions of space and one of time. Depending on the version, there may be 10 or 11 dimensions, most of which are “curled up” and imperceptible to us.
But angels, according to Orthodox theology, are not physical beings at all. They are immaterial, noetic beings created by God. They don’t have extension, weight, or physical composition, so they don’t “exist” within dimensions the way material objects do. That means they aren’t 2D, 3D, or even 11D — because all of those categories still belong to the realm of created physics.
At the same time, angels can interact with our world. Scripture and tradition show them appearing in visible forms, speaking to prophets, guiding the faithful, or manifesting as light or fire. But these appearances are for our sake, not their true nature. Their real existence is in the spiritual order of reality, not in the physical dimensions described by science.
So if someone asks, “What dimension are angels in according to string theory?” the most accurate answer is: angels aren’t in the framework that string theory is trying to describe. They transcend physical dimensions altogether, though by God’s will they can act within our 3D+time world.