Is being gay a sin

In order to answer the question “Is being gay a sin?” we need to challenge some assumptions upon which the question is based. Within the past fifty years, the term gay, as applied to homosexuality, has exploded into mainstream culture, and we are told that “being gay” is as much outside one’s control as “being short” or having blonde hair. So the question is worded in a loaded way and impossible to adequately answer in that form. We need to break this question up and deal with each piece separately. Rather than ask, “Is being gay a sin?” we need to ask, “Is it sinful to have same-sex attractions?” And, “Is it sinful to engage in homosexual activities because of those attractions?”

Concerning the first question, “Is it sinful to have same-sex attractions?” the answer is complicated. First, we should probably distinguish between (actively) sinning and (passively) being tempted:

Being tempted is not a sin. Jesus was tempted, but He never sinned (Matthew 4:1; Hebrews 4:15). Eve was tempted in the garden, and the forbidden fruit definitely appealed to her, but it seems that she did not actually sin until she took the fruit and ate it (Genesis 3:6–7). A struggle with temptation may lead to sin, but the temptation itself is not a sin.

The problem with same-sex attraction, or the feeling of “being gay,” is that it is an attraction to something God has forbidden, and any desire for something sinful ultimately has its roots in sin. Our natures have been so infected with sin that what is evil often looks good to us. Sin causes us to see the world and our own actions through a warped perspective. Our thoughts, desires, and dispositions are all affected. Scripture says we are sinners by nature (Romans 5:12). So, same-sex attraction, per se, is not always an active, willful sin, but it springs from the sinful nature. Same-sex attraction is always, on some level, an expression of the flesh, or the fallen nature.

Sinful human beings living in a sinful world (Romans 3:23) are pelted with curiosities, interests, and opportunities that would lead us further from God. Our world is filled with forbidden fruits, including the enticement to “be gay.” A happily married man can be suddenly smitten with attraction for his new associate and wrestle with those feelings every day. A sober alcoholic can struggle with the ongoing desire to drink, even years after he becomes clean. Those desires do not represent an active choice to sin, although they stem from the sinful nature. They are part of being a fallen creature living in a fallen world.

Some people, who admit to having thoughts of “being gay,” are, for a variety of reasons, not romantically attracted to members of the opposite sex. Instead, they yearn for intimacy with someone of their own gender. The causes for this same-sex attraction, humanly speaking, are varied and under discussion, but the fact remains that this temptation is real. Many who struggle with same-sex attraction report suffering through years of wishing things were different. People may not always be able to control how or what they feel, but they can control what they do with those feelings (1 Peter 1:5–8). And we all have the responsibility to resist temptation (Ephesians 6:13). We must all be transformed by the renewing of our minds (Romans 12:2) and “take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ” (2 Corinthians 10:5).

The second part of this question, “is it sinful to engage in homosexual activities because of same-sex attractions?” has a more straightforward answer. Being drawn toward a morally forbidden relationship is not an active sin; it is a temptation. Sin occurs when we dwell upon the wrong thoughts, the temptation spawns, or when we yield to the temptation. Feeling a same-sex attraction is not an active, willful sin, but yielding to that proclivity and engaging in homosexual relations is.

Our culture assures homosexuals that they were born gay and that confused sexuality is to be celebrated, not overcome. Thus we have an entire generation of children and teens who never knew a time when homosexuality was rightly considered abnormal. In elementary and middle schools, it is now fashionable to call oneself “gay” or “bi” or use any number of other faddish sexual labels without any real understanding of their meaning—or of the moral and eternal implications.

We are all sinners, born with a nature that wants only to please itself. The sinful desires within us vary from person to person, but the root is the same (Romans 3:11). When we realize how broken we are and that we cannot have fellowship with a holy God in such a deplorable condition, we gratefully accept the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for us (2 Corinthians 5:21). He paid the price that we owed to God for our treason against our Creator. He also paid the penalty for the sin of homosexuality, just as He did for pride, rape, adultery, and theft. Those sins, and a thousand more, are what keep us from God and sentence us to an eternity without Him. We cannot continue to define ourselves by the very sins that crucified Jesus, while also assuming that we are right with God. First Corinthians 6:9–10 lists many of the sins that the Corinthians once practiced (homosexuality is on the list). But verse 11 reminds them, “That is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” In other words, some of the Corinthians, before they were saved, lived gay lifestyles; but no sin is too great for the cleansing power of Jesus. Once cleansed, we are no longer defined by sin.

However, I prefer the Scripture’s answers on this.

J.

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Salvation does not come through a denomination or church succession line. Salvation comes through Christ. The Bible answers clearly: “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved” (~Acts 16:31). Jesus told Peter that He would build His church on the rock (~Matthew 16:18). Right before that Peter declared, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God” (~Matthew 16:16). The Church is built on that confession, not an organization, because “other foundation can no man lay… which is Jesus Christ” (~1 Corinthians 3:11).

Doctrine matters when it changes the gospel. Paul says there is “another gospel” preached if anyone alters the gospel message (~Galatians 1:8). But salvation is by grace through faith, not by church membership (~Ephesians 2:8–9). The question is not will Catholics go to heaven. The question is did they truly trust Christ? Because “he that hath the Son hath life” (~1 John 5:12).

In the end, no one will stand before God and say “Hello, I’m Catholic” or “Hello, I’m Baptist.” We will all stand before Him with only one question answered: What did you do with Jesus Christ?

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No, it’s not. The question is whether NON-Catholics will go to heaven because they have forsaken the One True Church, in Whom Christ gave His Authority.

Don’t blame me if you joined the wrong Church, @bdavidc If your salvation hinges on your need to join the Catholic Church, it would be wise to end this ceaseless rebellion and repent, do you not agree? Or are you also missing the point that I am making? The point about whether or not believing the wrong Doctrine or Belief stands in the way of your own Salvation? Because if it does, while you are holding that standard against others, it could quite possibly be held against you…

I found a better explanation of what I am talking about on the following link… And good news, brother, according to the True and Holy Roman Catholic Church, well…at least one person in that Church, there is a chance you may still be saved. Maybe. And I also read that children born to converts to those rebellious other churches don’t bare the same weight of perdition as their born-again parents who joined heretical or wayward, rebellious churches…. But keep in mind, these Mercies may come from a more liberal perspective of Faith and Doctrine.

Ask Deacon: Do Protestants go to Heaven? | Catholic Campus Ministry

There is also this other link below that I found, a really good discussion that I would recommend everyone read fully who is curious regarding whether or not they are saved. From that discussion I found this quote

As for popes, Pope Eugene IV in the Bull Cantate Domino (1441), using the same terms as St Fulgentius, taught in an infallible definition: “The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, heretics, and schismatics can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire ‘which was prepared for the devil and his angels’ (Mt 25:41) unless before death they are joined with her.”

And, for clarity, I believe the term schismatics refers to those who have separated from the True Church to form their own… But again, reading the full discussion will prove fruitful. And remember, Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged- It’s not just a Spiritual Principle… It is Sound Advice for those who live in glass houses who like to throw stones. And as we all well know, Christ said only the sinless could throw the first stone.

Can non-Catholics be saved, or will they ‘go into the eternal fire’? | The Catholic Weekly

May the Lord help all such rebellious souls see the error of their ways and return to Him. And this is my last word on the discussion. I will not submit another response to this thread. I believe my posts on this thread offer a complete answer with valid arguments, Scriptures, and Perspective. Without agreeing or disagreeing with any one sentiment regarding if something is a sin. While upholding the Gospel, the True Faith, and Christ’s Commandment to LOVE one another as Christ LOVED us.

Farewell.

Amen and amen, @Johann! Well said!

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You are not pointing people to Christ alone. You are pointing them to an institution as the condition of salvation, and Scripture calls that another gospel.

Placing your faith in an institution will not save anyone. It will lead people to hell, because no church has the power to redeem a soul. Salvation belongs to Christ alone. “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” ~Acts 4:12.

The apostles were asked directly, “What must I do to be saved?” The answer was not join the true church. It was, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved” ~Acts 16:31.

When you make submission to an organization necessary for salvation, you add to the finished work of Christ. But Jesus said, “I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved” ~John 10:9. The door is Christ, not Rome, not any institution, not any earthly authority.

Paul gave the warning without softness: “If any man preach any other gospel… let him be accursed” ~Galatians 1:8. Adding institutional allegiance to faith is not strengthening the gospel. It is corrupting it.

Christ cried, “It is finished” ~John 19:30. Finished means nothing needs to be added. If salvation requires entering a religious system, then the cross was not sufficient. Scripture will not allow that conclusion.

The church in Scripture is the body of those who believe, not an organization that controls access to eternal life. “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body” ~1 Corinthians 12:13. Christ is the head ~Colossians 1:18, not an earthly office.

So the issue is simple and eternal:

Are sinners saved by trusting Christ alone, or by placing faith in an institution?

Jesus Himself answers: “Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out” ~John 6:37.

Faith in Christ saves. Trust in an institution cannot. And directing souls away from Christ’s sufficiency toward human authority endangers them with eternal judgment.

Standing on what is written ~Acts 17:11; 1 Corinthians 4:6.

Let’s return to the OP’s topic and deal with what Scripture actually says, not institutional claims ~Acts 17:11; 1 Corinthians 4:6.

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Again, @bdavidc , don’t blame the messenger. I am just telling you how it is. That “Institution” is responsible for the Bible you proclaim to be Scripture. That “Institution” established what the Gospel is. That Church is the Founding Church, the Bride of Christ. All other churches are in rebellion, who took the Bible and ran away with it to put their own spin on the Faith because they did not want to be under someone’s Rightful Authority, which was given by God.

But I understand it is hard for people to accept that they live in rebellion outside of God’s Will. And I want you to understand that I am not judging you for this rebellion. On the contrary, I accept you as you are, even if you cannot repent. Because that is what LOVE does. If you need to hash this out, feel free to message me privately. If not, I suggest we return to the subject of this thread.

So check this peter. Do i need to inherit the kingdom of god? Or the kingdom of heaven? And what if i dont? Do i burn forever for my sins? When i called on him. Ive witnessed the kingdom and it scared the crap out of me. I would truely be blessed to inherit the earth our holy mother whom fed us all.

Another non-truth. Peter was not the first Pope. Sorry. Peter was sent to the Jews. He is the teacher of the Jews. When Jesus said, “On…” well, here it is.

“He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Matthew 16:15-18

The “on this rock” is the truth that Peter spoke. “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” That statement could also be seen as Jesus talking about Himself. The “rock” as Christ is consistent with other biblical metaphors. The Cornerstone, stubbing block, etc.

Paul. Paul was the one whom Jesus or God sent to the Gentiles. Sent to us. Jesus founded the church. Peter was sent to God’s chosen people. Paul was sent for the rest. So if anyone would be seen as the first pope, I guess it should be Paul. Although I personally do not believe either was.

The Catholic church verse the Bible. Praying to saints, the Bible teaches one mediator, Jesus. Veneration of Mary. Bible?? Not there. Confession to a priest
Catholics confess sins to a priest. The Bible teaches confessing sins directly to God. Purgatory
Catholics believe in a purification after death. The Bible teaches immediate presence with Christ.
Tradition as equal to Scripture? Catholics hold Sacred Tradition and Scripture together. The Bible emphasizes Sola Scriptura — Scripture alone. There are many more.

My intent is not to bash Catholics, merely to point out that if they were the only path to heaven, they would not be contradicting the Word of God. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Not the Church. Not any church or doctrine.

Peter

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Ok, what do you have?

I’m not sure about your question, but I will take it on face value. You do not “need to” inherit the Kingdom of God. That is not something you could do if you wanted to try. There have been so many to try. From Satan to the Tower of Babel, to many today, people have been trying to get to heaven on their own. It is not something you can receive; it is a byproduct of your faith in Jesus.

Once you accept Jesus, once you receive the Spirit of adoption, once you become able to call the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. The Creator of all that is, was, or ever will be, Daddy, you are no longer a citizen of earth.

“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.” Romans 8-14:17

Paul wrote to the Church in Ephesus

“Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;” Ephesians 2:19

Without accepting Jesus, the result is this. John 5:28-29

“Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.”

Have you ever heard it put this way? “Those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.” Those who will not be saved, will still have a resurrection? “and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.”

So even if you do not believe in God. Even if you do not believe in Heaven. Even if you think this is it. There is nothing else. You think you simply cease to exist when you die, and there is nothing after. Even people like this will be resurrected. Everyone will live on. Why? Because we are all eternal beings.

Not sure I understand what you mean. But I bet it would to anyone. John fell down in terror when he was shown it.

In time, we will. There will be a new heaven and a new earth. God will be here with us. Remember this fact, though, without Jesus, it will not be possible.

Peter

Excellent example of using Scripture to counter Christian Dogma, @PeterC . I applaud your efforts. It of course does not change the stance of the HOLY Roman Catholic Church, the Bride of Christ, the Oldest Authority on Christianity, the Church that houses the Archives that hold the Vast Majority of Ancient Christian Relics, Manuscripts, Artifacts and such…and the source of the Bible you are quoting, who gathered together and chose which materials would go in to it to form the Bible and which ones would remain out, and who maintained it by recopying it century after century… But five stars for effort.

Have you ever thought that maybe they are not contradicting the Word of God? Is it possible that laymen, such as yourself, simply don’t know how to properly interpret the Word of God?

Have you ever thought that maybe Priests, who are trained in the interpretation and understanding of God’s Word, handle it better than random people who pick it up without any real sort of education?

And maybe Denominations alter the interpretation of the Word to better align with the Dogmas they believe? Otherwise, how could so many Denominations come to exist if there was only one way to interpret Scripture…?

Part of any given interpretation is the investment of your own understanding. And if we lack understanding, we don’t Truly glean the Wisdom that is there. And if we believe a lie, the lies or misunderstandings alter what we see. You will spend more of your efforts proving the lie, supporting your own understanding, than you will searching for the Truth which may shatter whatever illusions you are holding on to. It’s basic human behavior.

We are all rebels, in our own unique ways, I suppose. And as I wrote previously, hope is not all lost. The more Liberal of those True Catholic believers still believe non-Catholics might be saved. Maybe. Though the children born in these churches stand a better chance than the converts to all those wandering, lost denominations.

But this thread is really about those rebellious gays, isn’t it? Let’s not focus on the condition of our own salvation. Let’s turn our eyes back on them, that we might use our own interpretation of Scripture to decide who is a sinner, and who is worthy of hell….

You are wrong! A nice centament for sure. But in the end you are wrong. Its like the truth was there. But it was not in you. Because no man woman or angel knows the truth. And if you truly know my savior, you would know the trurh.

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Nope. It says what it says, and I am taught by the Holy Spirit every time I open it.

They are taught whatever the church is teaching at the time, and they are told to say, If the Pope says so, it is equal to scripture. That is not true. The pope is a man, and he sins like everyone else. Lately, he has been causing division in the church with some of his blasphemous statements and proclamations.

This is why we are told

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.” 1 Timothy 2:5-6

Some do indeed. Some ignore Scripture. Some twist scripture. Truth is truth. Scripture is scripture.

Absolutely. Look at all the itchy-ear churches that have been popping up. False churches, false pastors, false doctrine of man. This is why I ALWAYS encourage everyone to prayerfully read the scriptures for themselves. If you understand the truth, you will not fall for the lies.

Peter

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I do know Him. Would you like to point out where, in your opinion, I was wrong? We know the Truth, because God is the Truth, and His Word is the Truth. Read it. Then you can know the Truth too.

Peter

Yes. Engaging in homosexuality is a sin. The bible..God..is CLEAR about this. Yes, God loves everyone but Jesus calls sinners to repent. I don’t understand how anyone could read this and understand anything differently other than REPENT. Continuing to CHOOSE to live in sin, in DIRECT disobedience to God’s word is NOT repentance. It’s sin. Those who choose to continue to live in sin will spend eternity separated from God. THAT is the truth.

Have you not read the word of God?

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A well known Pastor in my country was asked to go to England and speak to a group of Gay Christian men. He responded that he knew very little on the homosexual lifestyle and felt ill equipped to speak to the men. They responded that he didn’t need to say anything special, but to just talk with them and teach the word like he normally does. The Pastor went.

In my thoughts on homosexuality, I view it as a sin if you engage. I think of it as similar to someone who’s not married. You remain celibate. Just being a homosexual is not sin, but acting out in that relationship or indulging in sexual thoughts is sin. The same sin as a heterosexual person if they were to do the same.

I don’t believe that gay marriage is in line with God’s word so really, they would have to remain celibate for life. There’s a lot more to life than that one aspect and it is possible.

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You keep saying an institution gave us the Bible and therefore deserves authority over believers. Scripture never says that. Not once. That claim sounds impressive, but it has no footing in the Word of God.

Jesus Christ did not say, “All authority is given to an institution.” He said, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth” ~Matthew 28:18. Authority belongs to Christ alone. Any system that inserts itself as necessary authority over the believer is stepping into a place God never gave it.

The Word of God did not come from a church hierarchy. “Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” ~2 Peter 1:21. Scripture is God-breathed ~2 Timothy 3:16. God spoke. Men wrote. The church received. That is the biblical order.

You say the institution defined the gospel. The apostle Paul said the gospel was already delivered and permanently fixed, and he thundered a warning: “Though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel… let him be accursed” ~Galatians 1:8. If even an apostle cannot change the gospel, no later institution can claim authority to define it.

Here is where the issue cuts to the heart. Scripture says, “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” ~1 Timothy 2:5. One mediator means one. When you make submission to an institution necessary, you place something beside Christ. That is not protection of the gospel. That is adding to it.

The early believers were never told to trust an institution for salvation. They were pointed to Christ and to the written Word: “These are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ… and that believing ye might have life through his name” ~John 20:31. Life comes through His name, not institutional allegiance.

So let’s speak plainly. Authority claims without Scripture are smoke. Titles are smoke. Historical assertions are smoke. When the fog clears, one truth stands:

Christ is the Head ~Colossians 1:18.
Christ is the Mediator ~1 Timothy 2:5.
Christ has all authority ~Matthew 28:18.

The question is not whether an institution claims authority. The question is whether God gave it. Scripture says He did not.

You are asking people to trust a system. Scripture commands us to trust the Son. And when every human claim is stripped away, every soul will stand before Christ alone, not before an institution, not under its authority, but under His Word.

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Amen. If I think about robbing a bank, it is dangerous, because it may lead to the temptation to do so. But a bank robber I am not. However, if I do rob the bank, then I am no doubt a bank robber.

Peter

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