Is Being Gay a Sin?

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@bdavidc

Welcome to the conversation. But I stand by the many many arguments I have posted and will not repost them for each new “voice” repeating the same arguments. You are welcome to your opinion. And I have been posting about this for a while. Feel free to argue against a specific argument. Or explain to me how a committed homosexual, person or relationship stands against the Law of Love simply for being homosexual.

How have they harmed you personally if they are dedicated to Christ, and love God, neighbor, and each other?

“And my command is this- Love one another as I have loved you.”

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I am not offended. Your quote above is a false accusation, and thereby contrary to Love.

I am not “rallying” against anyone. Your quote above is a false accusation, and therefore contrary to Love.

I don’t think you read what I wrote when I answered the question you kept insisting someone answer. A relationship that is based in “getting something out of it” is not the Love of God, but a drive of the flesh. I do not know the basis of every relationship, only the ones I have inquired about, but the consistency is undeniable.

We all hear you! You have made your point VERY clear. You do not need to reiterate the same thing over and over to strengthen your point. I get it. I see where you are coming from. You do not see where those who oppose your views are coming from, because you consistently change what they say or falsely accuse them of some insensitivity or blatent sin (i,e, "From what Spirit do you speak when you rally against homosexuals?") This kind of remark is inflamatory, and unloving.

Your claim to be the standard-bearer of love holds no water while you are actively practicing the opposite of your own definition of love.

KP

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@anon75384934, you’ve built an entire theology on one commandment, and then twisted that commandment until it affirms what God never did.

You keep shouting about the “Law of Love” as if it floats in the air, detached from the rest of Scripture. But the same God who said “Love your neighbor” also said, “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman—it is an abomination.” That wasn’t Moses freelancing. That was God speaking. And when Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, calls same-sex activity dishonorable, unnatural, and a mark of rebellion in Romans 1, he’s not doing bad exegesis… he’s declaring truth that still stands.

You keep demanding we define sin without Scripture… as if the Word of God is optional in knowing the will of God. That’s not spiritual insight. That’s spiritual arrogance. You want love without truth. Grace without repentance. The Kingdom without the King.

You say homosexual couples are loving, and therefore not sinful. But “love” isn’t self-defined. Love is not simply affection, commitment, or mutual respect. Scripture defines love by what it does … it rejoices in the truth (1 Corinthians 13:6). Not in self-expression, not in sincerity, but in truth. Love doesn’t pat sin on the back… it pleads with it to repent. Jesus didn’t die to celebrate our desires. He died to crucify them.

You ask, “Where’s the harm?” The harm is that sin separates from God, no matter how well-mannered or emotionally fulfilling it looks. The wages of sin is death, not discomfort. The cross wasn’t needed if all God wanted was for people to be nice and sincere. Christ didn’t bleed to affirm behavior God consistently condemns.

You claim some laws in the Bible were man-made, scribal errors, not divine. You toss Jeremiah’s rebuke of corrupt scribes into the ring like a wildcard verse that gives you license to disregard whatever offends your cultural sensitivities. But Christ Himself affirmed the Law, the Prophets, and the Scriptures. He quoted them. He fulfilled them. He stood on them. You want to follow Christ? Then stand where He stood. You don’t get to call Him Lord while rewriting His book.

You say you’re the watchman protecting the city. Watchmen don’t lull people to sleep with soft lies. They sound the alarm when danger comes. But you’re calling the wolves sheep, and accusing the shepherds of being harsh. That’s not watchfulness. That’s sabotage.

And let’s be honest… you’re not speaking by the Spirit of protection. You’re speaking by the spirit of accommodation. You’re protecting sin, not souls. And that is not love. That is complicity dressed in compassion.

God is love. Yes. But He is also holy. And love without holiness is a counterfeit. It’s just sentiment with a cross necklace. True love warns. True love convicts. True love says, “Go and sin no more.”

You’ve talked circles around Scripture, demanded proof while rejecting the very source of it, and held up your feelings as the final authority. But here’s the bottom line.

The Law of Love does not erase the call to obedience. It deepens it. The cross doesn’t affirm the sinner’s path. It provides the only way off of it.

A loving, committed homosexual relationship still rebels against God’s design for human sexuality. The love may feel real, the commitment may look sincere… but if it’s rooted in what God calls sin, it cannot be holy. And without holiness, no one will see the Lord.

This isn’t about being offended by sight. It’s about being obedient by faith. That’s the kind of love God requires.

—Sincere Seeker. Stay grounded. Stay sharp. Stay in the Word.

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“@anon75384934, you’ve built an entire theology on one commandment, and then twisted that commandment until it affirms what God never did”

False. God built an entire theology on Love. I am only magnifying God’s Word, Christ’s Command, the one thing by which all salvation ia hinged. Without which the sacrifice of Christ means nothing. Your battle is not against me. The Holy Spirit is Love.

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Hmm, personally, I dont know, in a way it makes sense
I get what you are saying
Tell me more @anon75384934 how did you come to this, like what was your personal experience, only if you want to
But yeah, I get what you are saying

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@anon75384934, you’re not magnifying God’s Word. You’re weaponizing one verse and ignoring the rest. You keep pointing to the command to love, as if that erases everything God has ever said about holiness, obedience, and sin. That’s not magnifying Christ. That’s flattening Him into a slogan.

Jesus didn’t say, “All you need is love” like a spiritual Beatles song. He said, “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.” That’s John 14:15. Not “keep the ones that make you feel spiritual” or “keep the ones you agree with.” All of them.

You say the Holy Spirit is Love. True. And He’s also the Spirit of Truth. You can’t separate the two. If your version of love contradicts the Word the Spirit inspired, then it’s not love at all. It’s just emotion with a religious filter.

The sacrifice of Christ means nothing? That’s rich. The sacrifice of Christ means everything. But it means nothing to those who refuse to repent. Grace is not a license to sin. It’s the power to leave it behind.

You keep talking like anyone who calls sin what it is must be against you. That’s not the case. The issue is that you’re defending what God calls unrighteous, then daring to label it holy. You say the battle isn’t with you. Fine. But don’t drag the Holy Spirit into the fight and pretend He’s on your side while you undermine the Word He wrote.

If love is real, it aligns with truth. If the Spirit is leading, He will always lead you back to Christ. And Christ doesn’t bless what He came to save us from.

—Sincere Seeker. Stay grounded. Stay sharp. Stay in the Word.

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@SincereSeeker

“@anon75384934, you’re not magnifying God’s Word,”

God can decide that at the end of the day For both of us.

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I see what you are saying, correct me if I am wrong
Jesus said to love God, to Love neighbours, so if one is in a committed relationship, then it doesn’t affect the love command, nor does it affect the relationship between us and God, because we love our neighbours and we love God and we keep the commandments of Christ, and are saved by Christ
Right?
Yess, in a way

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“You said, ‘Or explain to me how a committed homosexual, person or relationship stands against the Law of Love simply for being homosexual.’ I already answered that in my reply. Please read what I wrote again, because I showed clearly from Scripture how a homosexual relationship stands against the Law of Love.”

You’re misusing the “love one another” command by taking it out of context with the rest of Scripture. Love never negates God’s standards, it fulfills them (Romans 13:10). To use Christ’s name while rationalizing what He calls sin is self-deception. Real love doesn’t affirm rebellion, it lovingly confronts people with God’s truth and calls them back to Him. And I’m not expressing an opinion here, I’m telling you what God says in His Word, the Bible. If you don’t believe what the Bible plainly says, why are you even on a Christian forum?

“You ask, “How have they harmed you personally if they are dedicated to Christ, and love God, neighbor, and each other?” I never said they harmed me at all, that’s what you said. I actually have several homosexual friends that I care about, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want them to come to know Jesus Christ so they don’t end up in the wrong place for eternity. If I didn’t care, I would just remain silent like so many phony Christians do. But God says, “When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand” (Ezekiel 33:8). That’s why I speak up.

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Yes what is the explanation to this, is what I wasn’t able to understand from Tilman, maybe it’s my fault because I’m a slow learner and this is new for me.
Anyways Tilman waiting for your reply
Till then take care, God bless.

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@Samuel_23

“If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15). God’s Word is very clear that homosexual practice is a sin: “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination” (Leviticus 18:22) and the New Testament echoes that sentiment: “For even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature… men with men working that which is unseemly” (Romans 1:26–27).”

“Yes what is the explanation to this, is what I wasn’t able to understand from Tilman, maybe it’s my fault because I’m a slow learner and this is new for me.”

@Samuel_23

My reply is this.

You are quoting one snippet of a much larger comversion in which Christ goes on to say:

John 15:

9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. **10 **If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. **11 **I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. **12 **My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. **13 **Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. **14 **You are my friends if you do what I command. **15 **I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. **16 **You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. **17 **This is my command: Love each other.”

*The Command of Christ is, Love Each Other. Which is what I have been saying this whole time.

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Love is the standard on which all else is built.

As Scripture says, all other things will pass away.. Only love remains.

The Holy Spirit is Love, in every way. And it must come to live in you. Love must live in you. And it is the only way by which you can become saved. It is the mantle of Sonship, extended from Christ to you. Without Love, you aren’t a New Creation. You aren’t saved. This is the transformation that must happen in your heart.

God can work the sin out of you in time, but God can do nothing for you if you don’t pass from death to life. Only Love can get you there. Choosing to hate your life, or your neighbor, or choosing to hate anyone is to your own detriment.

As Mathew 5:22 says,

But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

So what I am doing here is more than just fighting for the acceptance of homosexuals. I am shining a light on an approach by the church that is as far from the Holy Spirit as it can be. This is for your sake as much as it is for theirs.

Again, upon Love everything is hinged. It is the weight by which God measures your soul. No matter how much Scripture you quote for your arguments. God will count every cross word you spoke to a homosexual. Every time you kept one from coming to Christ. Yelling, screaming, condemning through blow horns. This will doom you. Christ never encouraged this sort of behavior toward any sinners. Even the ones who don’t believe they are sinners.

[Edited by Admin.] While their conscience is clear, in perfect faith they are who they are. You cannot change that no matter how much you scream it. While God gave Grace, as an example, to the Gentiles and made apecial stipulations for those of different views through the Apostles.

[Edited by Admin.]

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@anon75384934, let me clarify my statements. Being a homosexual is not the sin, but letting the temptation to have sex with a person of the same sex control them as well as doing the act and living that lifestyle are all sinful. In the following passage, Jesus says that adopting the desire to have sex outside of marriage is the same as committing adultery. The same principle applies to any sex outside of marriage.

Mat 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

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@anon75384934, quoting John 15 doesn’t cancel John 14. Christ didn’t contradict Himself between chapters. You want to say, “The command is love, full stop,” as if that tosses out everything God said before and after. But Jesus said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments,” not “If you love Me, redefine them.”

You’re right that love is central. But love, as Jesus defines it, includes obedience to all of God’s commands… not just the ones that feel affirming. “Love each other” doesn’t mean “tolerate sin.” You’re confusing divine love with human sentiment. One is holy. The other is hollow.

Let’s not pretend Leviticus and Romans just vanish because you quoted Jesus talking about love. Scripture doesn’t war against itself. Romans 1 wasn’t Paul throwing out personal bias. It was the Spirit of God calling sin what it is. The same Spirit that poured out love in our hearts is the one who inspired Paul to write that same-sex acts are “shameful,” “unnatural,” and the fruit of exchanging truth for a lie.

You say you’re fighting for homosexuals. But that’s not the issue here. The issue is that you’re trying to smuggle sin into the kingdom under a banner that says “love,” and that’s not going to fly. Not with Jesus. Not with Scripture. Not with those who still believe holiness matters.

You claim the Holy Spirit is love, and that’s true. But He’s also holy. And He doesn’t lower the standard of righteousness just because we dress rebellion in kindness. You say only love remains… but forget that Paul said love rejoices in the truth. Not in lies. Not in disobedience. Not in feelings that clash with the Creator’s design.

You want transformation? Good. But transformation starts with repentance, not affirmation. The Holy Spirit doesn’t work sin out of us by letting us call it righteousness. That’s not how resurrection works. You can’t walk in newness of life while dragging the grave behind you.

This isn’t about hating people. It’s about not lying to them. And it’s about not lying to yourself. Love doesn’t celebrate what Christ died to redeem us from.

—Sincere Seeker. Stay grounded. Stay sharp. Stay in the Word.

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As I said, committed relationahips. In equal meaaure to straight people so they do not burn with lust and sin by objectifying another person made in the image of God as Paul suggested.

God requires that we love another person as if their very life were our own. Such is the standard.

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Christ gave no other commandment in those chapters, dear.

Quote me another Commandment of Christ anywhere. Key word, Command.

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@anon75384934 you’re narrowing the lens until truth disappears. You’re trying to force the entire moral law of God through one verse like a funnel, and what comes out isn’t holiness… it’s compromise.

You’re clinging to “love one another” like it’s the only thing Jesus ever said, while ignoring that He also said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” You want to talk about commands? Fine. Here are a few from Christ Himself:

“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

“Go and sin no more.”

“Be perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect.”

“Deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow Me.”

“Enter through the narrow gate.”

“Abide in My Word.”

“Make disciples of all nations, teaching them to observe all I have commanded.”

Those are not suggestions. They are commands. And all of them rest on a foundation of obedience, self-denial, and holiness. Love is not a spiritual loophole to avoid those things. It’s the soil they grow in.

You’re also misusing Paul’s words about marriage to justify what God calls sin. Paul said it is better to marry than to burn with passion, yes… but marriage was never meant as a license for lust. It’s a covenant rooted in God’s created design… male and female, joined together. You can’t take Paul’s concession to human weakness and use it to sanctify what God never approved.

Love your neighbor? Yes. But love your neighbor as yourself… not as your idol, not as your god, and not as your justification for rebellion. If love means turning from truth, then it isn’t love anymore. It’s indulgence with a halo.

You want to elevate love? Then define it the way Scripture does: holy, truthful, self-sacrificing, obedient, and rooted in the character of God. Anything less isn’t the Gospel. It’s just sentiment wearing a cross.

—Sincere Seeker. Stay grounded. Stay sharp. Stay in the Word.

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“Command” was no where to be found. Regardless, none of your quotes or accusations counter anything I have been saying.

Indeed, “repent.”

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@anon75384934 , you’re wrong on two counts. First, the word “command” is used directly by Jesus. John 14:15 says, If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 15:12 says, This is My command, that you love one another as I have loved you. He repeats it because He meant it. You’re not exposing some gap in the text. You’re just refusing to see what’s already there.

Second, saying nothing I’ve written refutes you doesn’t make it true. You’ve avoided every verse that calls homosexual practice sin. You’ve refused to engage with Leviticus, Romans, or 1 Corinthians. Instead, you pull one phrase…“love one another”… out of context and try to build a theology around it while silencing the rest of Scripture.

That is not faithfulness. That is cherry-picking.

Love is not a blank check to do what feels sincere. Love rejoices in the truth. Love obeys God. Love denies the flesh, not sanctifies it. If a relationship contradicts God’s design, it does not matter how committed it looks. It is not holy.

You say the Spirit is love. He is. But He is also the Spirit of truth. He does not affirm what the Word of God calls sin. And He does not bow to your feelings.

—Sincere Seeker. Stay grounded. Stay sharp. Stay in the Word.

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@SincereSeeker

I know its hard to grasp the Truth of God that I am trying to convey. Very few of the Pharisee, the Keepers of the Law, were able to accept Christ way back then. And very few of the Keepers of the Law will accept Christ now.

As with all people who have wealth, who think themselves above the less fortunate, very few of them will find the narrow way forward into God’s Kingdom. Unless they deny themselves and follow Christ.

Blessed Be Those in Christ.

But don’t let me stop you from quoting Scriptures to condemn homosexuals. Only God will judge the wicked. As Christ said to Judas, do what you came to do.