Is Catholicism a Branch of Christianity or Something Else?

Is Catholicism a Branch of Christianity or Something Else?

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Ask five Christians what Catholicism is, and you might get five different answers. Some see it as just another denomination, others view it as a separate religion altogether—and some aren’t even sure where the lines are drawn.

Historically, the Catholic Church claims direct succession from the apostles and sees itself as the original expression of Christianity. Protestants, however, have long objected to certain doctrines, practices, and authority structures they believe stray from biblical teaching.

This breakdown from Crosswalk walks through the basics of Catholic theology and what sets it apart from evangelical Christianity:
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What do you think? Is Catholicism best understood as a denomination of Christianity, or does it teach a fundamentally different gospel?
How should Christians engage with Catholic friends and family—especially when it comes to questions of salvation and authority?

Unity doesn’t require uniformity—but it does demand clarity on the Gospel.

Christianity is the worshipp of only God, of prayers only to God and of salvation through Faith alone. Our good deeds are not for a reward but are a demonstration of our love for God.

IF Catholicism fits this it is Christian if it doesn’t it is pagan.

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Oh bless this thread’s little doctrinal heart—trying so hard to untangle whether Catholicism is Christianity or some kind of Vatican-themed cosplay. Let’s set the incense down, blow out the candles, and let Scripture speak louder than tradition.

Short answer?
Roman Catholicism isn’t a “branch” of Christianity. It’s a mutation—a theological Frankenstein stitched together with Scripture in one hand and man-made tradition in the other. It wears the Christian label but then prays to Mary, bows to wafers, calls a man “Holy Father” (:eyes: Matthew 23:9 much?), and thinks purgatory is real estate you can buy your way out of. That ain’t New Testament faith. That’s religious fanfiction.

You want Biblical Christianity? That’s faith alone, grace alone, Christ alone, Scripture alone, and to the glory of God alone. Catholicism? It’s grace + works + sacraments + papal infallibility + centuries of ecclesiastical gaslighting. You can sprinkle a little Jesus on that, but don’t pretend it’s the Gospel.

Let’s be real: the Reformation didn’t happen because Luther was bored. It happened because Rome had turned the Church into a spiritual Ponzi scheme. Selling indulgences like they were eternal raffle tickets, exalting tradition above the Word, and locking Scripture behind Latin bars while the sheep starved in the pews. That’s not a “branch.” That’s a break—and not the good kind.

The Catholic Church claims to be the “one true church” while standing on a foundation of doctrinal drift and manmade additions. Sounds more like the Pharisees than the apostles.

Is Catholicism Christian?
Depends. Is a shadow the same as the substance? Is a knockoff Rolex still Swiss? They might use the same terms—grace, faith, salvation—but redefine them with just enough twist to poison the well. Paul warned about “another gospel” (Galatians 1:6–9), and Rome’s got a version with all the right vocabulary but none of the saving power.

If Jesus is the Head, and Scripture is the rule, then Catholicism’s not just a different branch—it’s growing on a whole different tree. And that tree is heavy with the fruit of tradition, ritual, and works-based righteousness.

So call it what it is: not a branch of Christianity, but a religious empire in Christian clothing—powerful, ancient, ornate… and spiritually off-key. Smells like incense, sounds like Latin, but it ain’t the Gospel.

And if that singes a few sensibilities—good. Better scorched by truth than soothed by error.

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I would classify Catholicism as a cult if they denied the Trinity, the two natures of Jesus, and the other basic beliefs of the Bible. However, they don’t. Therefore, I consider them a branch of Christianity with whom I disagree on less important doctrines that they have added to Scripture with their tradition.

Oh Bruce, bless your tolerant little theological heart—trying to hand out Christianity’s membership cards like it’s a bake sale instead of a blood-bought covenant. But let’s not confuse orthodoxy with obedience. Just because someone says Jesus is fully God and fully man doesn’t mean they’re walking in the faith once delivered to the saints (Jude 1:3).

Let’s break this down, Bible-style.

Yes, the Catholic Church affirms the Trinity and the dual nature of Christ. Congratulations—they’ve managed to keep the cover on the book. But once you crack it open? You’ve got Mary as co-mediator, dead saints getting more prayer time than the living, and a priesthood that claims to re-sacrifice Christ on every altar in every Mass across the globe.

Hebrews 10:14 says “For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.” SINGLE. OFFERING. Not a repeat show with incense and vestments. Rome’s version of the Gospel adds layers of tradition thick enough to choke sola scriptura out of the room.

Now you say these are “less important doctrines”? Less important than how salvation works? Less important than whether the Word of God stands alone or gets weighed down by man-made dogma? Paul didn’t call that “less important.” He called it damnable: “If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:9)

See, the devil doesn’t show up with horns and a pitchfork. He shows up in a cathedral, in robes, holding a chalice, whispering that grace needs just a little help from your works. That’s not Christianity. That’s bait with a cross-shaped hook.

So no, Bruce. Catholicism isn’t just a different flavor in the Christian Baskin-Robbins. It’s a different recipe entirely. You can slap “Trinity” on the label, but if the ingredients inside preach “grace + works,” “Scripture + tradition,” “Christ + Mary,” then what you’ve got is a spiritual counterfeit.

Don’t call it a branch when it bears fruit Jesus never planted. Call it what it is: a system of additions that buries the Gospel under centuries of religious rubble.

We’re not called to tolerate false gospels—we’re called to tear them down with truth (2 Corinthians 10:5). So let’s stop inviting error to the family reunion just because it knows the lyrics to the Nicene Creed.

Okay. I agree with you about the biggest objection that I have to the Catholic doctrine, their addition of added tradition to the Scriptures. However, I cannot put them in the territory of a cult, because of their agreement to those beliefs that I mentioned. The rest may or may not be negotiable.

Interesting @Fritzpw_Admin depends on which “Catholic theology”

Why?–The Church consists of 24 sui iuris (autonomous) churches, including the Latin Church and 23 Eastern Catholic Churches, which comprise almost 3,500 dioceses and …the list goes on.

See here.

What We Can Learn from a Catholic about Our Religious Differences – Part 1

Before the Council of Ephesus in AD 431, the Church of the East also shared in this communion, as did the Oriental Orthodox Churches before the Council of Chalcedon in AD 451; all separated primarily over differences in Christology. The Eastern Catholic Churches, which have a combined membership of approximately 18 million, represent a body of Eastern Christians who returned or remained in communion with the pope during or following these schisms due to a variety of historical circumstances. In the 16th century the Reformation led to the formation of separate, Protestant groups and to the Counter-Reformation. From the late 20th century the Catholic Church has been criticized for its teachings on sexuality, its doctrine against ordaining women and its handling of sexual abuse committed by clergy.

J.

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The Catholic Church is very dear to me.
It is the most amazing and moving Church for me.

When you enter St. Peter’s Basilica, you are greeted with the words:
“Tu es Petrus, et super hanc petram aedificabo Ecclesiam meam…”
(“You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.” – Matthew 16:18)

Near the high altar resounds the proclamation:
“Sanctus Petrus Apostolus”
(Saint Peter the Apostle).

The faith of the ages sings:
Christus vincit, Christus regnat, Christus imperat.
(Christ conquers, Christ reigns, Christ commands.)

And so we pray:
Deus benedicat Ecclesiae Catholicae.
(God bless the Catholic Church.)

Pax vobiscum.
Sam

First, is Catholicism a “denomination” or “a different group”? Neither caricature holds. Its the una sancta catholica et apostolica ecclesia, the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church, foretold in the Septuagint’s “ekklesia” and birthed at Pentecost with unbroken filiation from the Apostles via the laying on of hands.
Protestantism? A 16th Century reaction, noble in its anti-corruption zeal. As Cardinal John Henry Newman quipped upon converting, “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.” The “different gospel” charge (Gal 1:8) boomerangs: it’s the Reformers who added “alone” to Rom 3:28, birthing a novel sola fide that ignores the fides formata caritate (faith formed by charity) of the Council of Trent (Sess. VI, ch. 7). Catholicism preaches the same Gospel: Christ’s vicarious atonement, but in toto, as the recapitulation (Eph 1:10) of all creation in Him.

  • Authority: The Depositum Fidei vs Bibliolatry’s Babel
    Protestants crowns sola scriptura as queen, but the Catholics hold Scripture and Sacred Tradition, interpreted by the Magisterium, the living voice of the Spirit in the Church (Jn 16:13). Why? Because the canon itself was discerned by that same Church at councils like Hippo and Carthage, not fropped from heaven with a divine table of contents. St. Vincent of Lérins nails it in his Commonitorium (chp2):
    quod ubique, quod semper, quod ab omnibus creditum est—what has been believed everywhere, always, by all.
    Protestantism’s “scripture alone” has spawned 30000+ denominations, each a self-proclaimed oracle. Unity? Please. Its Scholastic chaos, where Luther’s “captive to the Word” becomes every pastor’s whim. The Pope? Not a tyrant but Peter’s successor c.f Clement of Rome’s 1 Clement 44, with infallibility as a negative charism, guarding against error in ex cathedra definitions, like a divine seatbelt.
    Without the Magisterium, you are adrift in privatdoctina, subjective interpretation condemned by 2 Peter 1:20. Catholicism? The collegium apostolicum extended, breathing with two lungs: East and West, Scripture and Tradition, in perichoretic harmony.
  • Salvation: Justificatio Inita et Progressiva vs Once-Saved-Always-Saved Illusion
    Justification is by grace alone through faith, but a transformative faith, infused by the Spirit, bearing fruit in love. Protestant imputatio treats grace like a legal fiction: God declares you righteous but leaves sin’s stain?
    That’s not deification of the patrisitc East, Athanasius’s Theosis, where we become partakers of the divine nature through sacraments. Purgatory? Not a “second chance” torture chamber, but the satisfactio of 1 Cor 3:13-15: fire testing our works, purifying the justus et peccator (simul justus et peccator, but leaning toward Luther’s despair).
    As Pope Benedict XVI unpacked in Spe Salvi it’s God’s merciful scourging (Heb 12:5-11_ for the elect, drawing from the communio sanctorum’s treasury of merits (Col 1:24). Protestant “faith alone”? It reduces the Gospel to a transaction, ignoring the meritorum thesaurus where Christ’s superabundant satisfaction overflows to the Mystical Body.
  • Sacraments: Res et Sacramentum vs Mere Memorials
    Seven sacraments? Not magic tricks but causae efficientes gratiae, outward signs effecting inward grace, rooted in Christ’s sacramentum et res (sign and reality). Baptism regenerates (Titus 3:5, John 3:5). Eucharist is the realis praesentia of Cavalry’s sacrifice (John 6:53-56; Malachi 1:11, Ignatius of Antioch, Smyrnaeans 6-7: “the Eucharist is the flesh of our saviour”). Transubstantiation? Aristotelian substance-accident metaphysics applied to the mystery of faith where accidents remain but substance coverts, not cannibalism, but spiritual manducation (as Aquinas ST III, q.75). Protestants’ two ordinances? Symbolic shadows, stripping the mysterion of its energeia.
  • Mary and Saints: Hyperdulia and Dulia vs Iconoclastic Iconoclasm
    The article’s eye roll at Mary’s Immaculate Conception (Pius XQ, Ineffabilis Deus, 1854) and Assumption ignores typology: she’s the New Eve, Ark of the Covenant, ever-virgin Theotokos. Prayer to saints? Not worship (latria reserved for God) but invocation within the communio sanctorum (Heb 12:1, 22-24), the “cloud of witnesses” interceding, as the perichoresis of the Body extends beyond the veil (Rev 5:8, 8:3-4). Protestants’ “no mediators but Christ”? Half-truth; He’s the unica mediatrix (1 Tim 2:5) but we His members, share in that mediation.

It’s Catholic: Christ crucified, risen, reigning in His Church, where salvation is a pilgrimage of grace

Deus benedicat Ecclesiae Catholicae.
Pax vobiscum.
Sam
Edit:
Although I am an Orthodox Christian who studied in Vatican City, I have deep respect for the Catholic Church and have taken the time to learn and research its teachings. Even though we may disagree on certain doctrines such as the Immaculate Conception, Purgatory, Papal Infallibility, and other points, these differences do not diminish the value of what I have gained or the respect I hold

Catholicism is the root of Christianity; from it flows the faith of the apostles and the light of Christ to all nations.

Deus benedicat Ecclesiae Catholicae.
Some notable and beautiful prayers:
Anima Christi
Anima Christi, sanctifica me.
Corpus Christi,salva me.
Sanguis Christi, inebria me.
Aqua lateris Christi, lava me.
Passio Christi, conforta me.
O bone Iesu, exaudi me.
Intra tua vulnera absconde me.
Ne permittas me separari a te.
Ab hoste maligno defende me.
In hora mortis meae voca me.
Et iube me venire ad te,
Ut cum Sanctis tuis laudem te
in saecula saeculorum.
Amen

Salve Regina
Salve Regina, mater misericordiae, vita, dulcedo, et spes nostra, salve. Ad te clamamus exsules filii Hevae. Ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes in hac lacrimarum valle.
Eia, ergo, advocata nostra, illos tuos misericordes oculos ad nos converte. Et Iesum, benedictum fructum ventris tui, nobis post hoc exsilium ostende.
O clemens, O pia, O dulcis Virgo Maria. Amen.
V. Ora pro nobis, sancta Dei Genetrix.
R. Ut digni efficiamur promissionibus Christi.
Oremus
Omnipotens sempiterne Deus, qui gloriosae Virginis Matris Mariae corpus et animam, ut dignum Filii tui habitaculum effici mereretur, Spiritu Sancto cooperante, praeparasti: da, ut cuius commemoratione laetamur; eius pia intercessione, ab instantibus malis, et a morte perpetua liberemur. Per eundem Christum Dominum nostrum. Amen.

Te Ioseph celebrent agmina caelitum
Te, Ioseph, celebrent agmina caelitum,
te cuncti resonent Christiadum chori,
qui, clarus meritis, iunctus es inclitae,
casto foedere Virgini.
Almo cum tumidam germine coniugem
admirans dubio tangeris anxius,
afflatu superi Flaminis, Angelus
conceptum puerum docet.
Tu natum Dominum stringis, ad exteras
Aegypti profugum tu sequeris plagas;
amissum Solymis quaeris et invenis,
miscens gaudia fletibus.
Electos reliquos mors pia consecrat
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palmamque emeritos gloria suscipit;
tu vivens, Superis par, frueris Deo,
mira sorte beatior.
Nobis, summa Trias, parce precantibus;
da Ioseph meritis sidera scandere,
ut tandem liceat nos tibi perpetim
gratum promere canticum.
Amen.

Dies Irae
Dies irae, dies illa,
solvet saeculum in favilla,
teste David cum Sibylla.
Quantus tremor est futurus,
quando iudex est venturus,
cuncta stricte discussurus!
Tuba mirum spargens sonum
per sepulcra regionum,
coget omnes ante thronum.
Mors stupebit et natura,
cum resurget creatura,
iudicanti responsura.
Liber scriptus proferetur,
in quo totum continetur,
unde mundus iudicetur.
Iudex ergo cum sedebit,
quidquid latet apparebit:
nil inultum remanebit.
Quid sum miser tunc dicturus?
quem patronum rogaturus?
cum vix iustus sit securus.
Rex tremendae maiestatis,
qui salvandos salvas gratis,
salva me, fons pietatis.
Recordare Iesu pie,
quod sum causa tuae viae:
ne me perdas illa die.
Quaerens me, sedisti lassus:
redemisti crucem passus:
tantus labor non sit cassus.
Iuste iudex ultionis,
donum fac remissionis,
ante diem rationis.
Ingemisco, tamquam reus:
culpa rubet vultus meus:
supplicanti parce Deus.
Qui Mariam absolvisti,
et latronem exaudisti,
mihi quoque spem dedisti.
Preces meae non sunt dignae:
sed tu bonus fac benigne,
ne perenni cremer igne.
Inter oves locum praesta,
et ab haedis me sequestra,
statuens in parte dextera.
Confutatis maledictis,
flammis acribus addictis.
voca me cum benedictis.
Oro supplex et acclinis,
cor contritum quasi cinis:
gere curam mei finis.
Lacrimosa dies illa,
qua resurget ex favilla.
iudicandus homo reus:
huic ergo parce Deus.
Pie Iesu Domine,
dona eis requiem. Amen.

Who determines that?

There are many Catholics that say they are not Christian.

Because the term Christian takes on another meaning.

Example: some Puerto Rican people will say they are not black. Because it takes on how they will be viewed or do not want to be viewed.

Well then it all depends on the meaning of Catholic or Christian found from an absolute truth.

Christian is a follower of Christ

So is a Catholic a follower of Christ?

Now here’s my opinion

If the foundation is Jesus and not religion then yes A Catholic could be considered Christian

But If the foundation is religion then……..

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Guys, here is an interesting article:

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i thought jesus’s life was the root ? or God the Father if we wanna go deeper. wondering what you mean by your statement.

Historically speaking, Christianity developed from the apostolic community that became institutionalized as the Catholic Church; that’s what I meant by “root.” If you mean metaphysically, then yes — Christ and the Father are the ultimate source.

The best and most natural way I know how to have this kind of conversation, is to talk about history. So what follows is a very brief, super simplistic description of events from about the 1st century to the 15th century.

When we get back to the very beginning of Christianity we’re talking about the Church. Early Christians spoke about the Church in different ways. The Church is holy, the Church is one, the Church is apostolic, and the Church is catholic. This last term, “catholic” refers to the Greek adjective katholikos, meaning “according to the whole”. In its original sense it emphasized the Christian Church in her entirety, the whole Church. There was the Church in Jerusalem, there was the Church in Rome, there was the Church in Antioch, or in Corinth, or in Ephesus, etc. But all of these were part of the one, whole or universal, Christian Church. Christ is not divided, Christ’s Body is not divided; ergo Christ’s Church (His Body) is not divided. Christians, therefore, were supposed to be united, not divided. And so this catholicity of the Church affirmed the unity of the Church–no matter your own personal background, where you were born, where you lived, you were, because you are in Christ and part of the one universal brotherhood of believers, a member of that one united entire (Catholic) Church.

As time marched forward, the Church faced a lot of pressures, for example there was persecution. But also there were various people saying things which didn’t jive with the received faith handed down by the apostles. Heretics in other words, who were saying things that just were very wrong, sometimes these were people claiming secret knowledge, or they claimed special new revelation. But other times they were saying things that seemed biblical and apostolic, but it just wasn’t quite right (in fact it was quite wrong). So sometimes there were these schismatic groups that formed, various Gnostic sects for example, or rival churches (e.g. the Marcionite Church), or there would be disruptions in communion because a bishop subscribed to a wrong idea about Jesus (e.g. Sabellianism, Arianism). And so the Church had to deal with these issues by insisting on the preservation of the truth once delivered since the time of the apostles.

This led to large “worldwide” councils of bishops, the early Ecumenical Councils. The most famous being Nicea in 325 AD which addressed the Arian controversy. At the end of the 4th century there was still that one, same, united, undivided, Catholic Christian Church, the one holy catholic and apostolic Church of Jesus Christ.

In the 5th century some significant Christological debates broke out. In 431 the Council of Ephesus ended up condemning Nestorius, but the side effect of this was a major schism, resulting in a break of communion between the churches which affirmed Ephesus and those which did not. The latter, today, often calls itself the Church of the East, and historically was based in what is modern day Iraq. The Church of the East, in the 1st Millennium, was responsible for some of the most far-reaching missionary activies until modern times, with missions extending all the way to China by the 7th century AD and the establishment of Christian communities.

In 451 the Council of Chalcedon addressed what became known as the Eutychian or Monophysite Controversy. This resulted in a major schism between the Chalcedonians and non-Chalcedonians. The non-Chalcedonians, affirming the Miaphysite position, are today known as the Oriental Orthodox Churches (including the Coptic Orthodox Church, the Armenian Apostolic Church, the Syriac Orthodox Church, and the Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox Church).

Following 451, until 1054 the Western and Eastern churches that followed Chalcedon continued united. However there were hiccups, and things did start to break down. The reasons are complicated, but to briefly summarize: in 1054 the bishop of Rome and the bishop of Constantinople, effectively, excommunicated one another. It’s not that simple, but for brevity let’s continue.

In the centuries following this “Great Schism” also called the “East-West Schism” of 1054, there were further developments. By the 15th century the division of East and West was pretty final, the Council of Florence and the conquest of Constantinople by the Ottomans resulted in a pretty radical change in the overall shape and look of “Christendom”. The Western Church, i.e. that Church which is in communion with the Bishop of Rome, calls itself The Catholic Church, and sees itself as the same undivided Church Jesus founded two thousand years ago. The Eastern Church, i.e. the Churches in communion with the Bishops of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem calls itself The Orthodox Church, and sees itself as the same undivided Church Jesus founded two thousand years ago.

So before we even get to the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century, or talk about pre-Protestant reform movements in Western Europe such as the Hussites. We need to look at the picture here:

At the start of the 15th century there is, effectively, four communions all which claim to be “The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church” mentioned in the Nicene Creed, the Church Jesus founded as mentioned in the Gospel of Matthew. These are the Church of the East, the Oriental Orthodox Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the [Roman] Catholic Church.

I’ll leave it here, because double posts aren’t allowed and this post is already very long.

Now why does it matter? What is the difference between Orthodox/Catholic church and other protestant groups?
The Church Jesus Founded Is Apostolic and Visible

When Jesus said:

“I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” (Matthew 16:18)

He wasn’t talking about many competing churches with conflicting beliefs — He was talking about one Church, founded on the apostles, with authority, sacraments, and unity.
From the very first century, Christians didn’t start new “denominations.” They joined the one Church founded by Christ and guided by the apostles.

  1. Apostolic Succession — The Key Difference

Apostolic succession means that the bishops of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches today were ordained by bishops, who were ordained by bishops… going all the way back to the original apostles themselves.

  • St. Peter became the first Bishop of Rome → all popes and bishops in communion with him stand in that line.

  • St. James was the first Bishop of Jerusalem.

  • St. Mark founded the Church of Alexandria.

  • St. Andrew founded the Church of Byzantium (later Constantinople).

This unbroken chain is not just a “tradition” — it is how the authority of Christ is handed down. Jesus said to His apostles:

“He who hears you hears Me.” (Luke 10:16)
“As the Father sent Me, so I send you.” (John 20:21)

If the apostles were sent by Christ, and they laid hands on others to continue their ministry (Acts 1:20–26, 1 Tim 4:14, 2 Tim 2:2), then staying connected to that chain is how we stay connected to Christ’s original authority.

  1. Why It Matters

Authenticity of Sacraments – Baptism, Eucharist, and other sacraments have meaning and power because they are celebrated by those who carry Christ’s authority.

Unity in Doctrine – The Catholic and Orthodox Churches teach the same faith handed down from the apostles. Protestant groups often disagree with one another on baptism, Eucharist, salvation, etc., because they have no unified apostolic authority.

Continuity with the Early Church – If you look at any Christian writing from the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd century (like St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. Irenaeus, or St. Justin Martyr), you will see liturgy, bishops, Eucharist, and apostolic succession — not the modern “Bible-only” churches that began in the 1500s or later.

Historical Reality – For 1,500 years there was only one Church — the undivided Catholic and Orthodox Church. All Protestant denominations appeared much later (from the 16th century onward), created by individuals, not founded by the apostles.

Now comes the main point brother:
The Protestant Movement Is New — The Apostolic Churches Are Ancient

  • Orthodox and Catholic Churches: Founded in the 1st century by the apostles themselves.

  • Lutheran Church: Founded by Martin Luther, 1517.

  • Anglican Church: Founded by King Henry VIII, 1534.

  • Baptist Churches: 17th century.

  • Evangelical and Pentecostal movements: 19th–20th centuries.

That doesn’t mean Protestants are “bad” — they are our brothers and sisters in Christ. But it does mean they lack the historical and sacramental foundation that Christ intended His Church to have.

What the Early Christians Believed (Before Any Denominations Existed)

  • They believed the Eucharist is truly the Body and Blood of Christ (see St. Ignatius of Antioch, A.D. 107).

  • They believed in bishops with apostolic authority (see Acts 1:20–26, Titus 1:5).

  • They practiced baptism for the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38).

  • They called the Church “one, holy, catholic, and apostolic” (Nicene Creed, A.D. 325).

If you truly desire to follow Christ as the apostles taught Him , not just as people interpret Him today, then you must look for the Church that the apostles built. That Church is still alive, still celebrating the same sacraments, still teaching the same faith, and still united to the apostles through succession.

That Church is the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church — the two branches of the one ancient apostolic Church.

Now the decision is yours. You can explore Orthodox, Catholic, Evangelical, Lutheran, and other traditions. My role was simply to share some important information to help guide you—what you do with it is up to you.

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@Samuel_23 ,
Brother, after much prayer, deep study of the Scriptures, and learning day after day, I was led to the Orthodox Church — and oh, how beautiful and wondrous it is! The choir chants sound truly ancient, the sweet fragrance of the incense fills the church, the bells ring out with joy, and the entire congregation sings together in sacred, timeless hymns. The Anaphora of St. Basil moved me deeply — it is as if heaven itself opens and the angels join us in praise.

Truly, the difference between the Orthodox Church and other churches is profound. This is why I have been absent from the forum for a while — I have been immersing myself in this beautiful and holy tradition.

The Bible tells us what Christianity is: the gospel itself, “Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures…He was buried, and…He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:3-4). We are “saved by grace…through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works” (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Because Catholic doctrine involves human works, sacraments, and priestly mediation in salvation, it is not consistent with that gospel. The biblical definition of Christianity is those who trust in Christ alone by grace alone through faith alone. By that definition, Catholicism as a system does not reflect biblical Christianity, even though it is infused with Christian language and Scripture quotations.

Paul said, “Though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8-9). Jesus said God’s Word is truth (John 17: 17), and “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God” (2 Timothy 3:16-17). True Christianity stands or falls on Scripture alone and Christ’s finished work. Any system that adds to it has departed from the faith once delivered to the saints (Jude 3).

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Oh no @bdavidc

First, regarding salvation, Catholic teaching does not contradict Scripture. The Church explicitly teaches that salvation is entirely a gift of God’s grace, received through faith in Jesus Christ. Good works, penance, and the sacraments do not replace Christ’s saving work; rather, they are the means by which believers participate in the grace already merited by Christ. This is entirely consistent with James 2:17–22, which emphasises that faith must be living and active — works are not added to earn salvation, but flow naturally from true faith.

Second, the claim that Catholicism places human tradition above Scripture misrepresents the role of Tradition. From the earliest centuries, the apostles handed down the Gospel both orally and in writing. Sacred Tradition does not supersede Scripture; it complements it. Scripture itself was canonized and interpreted within the Church, guided by apostolic authority and the Holy Spirit. The Church preserves the faithful understanding of Scripture across centuries, ensuring unity and doctrinal integrity, which is why we see significant fragmentation among Protestant denominations that reject Tradition.

Third, the assertion that Catholicism preaches a “different gospel” ignores the historical and theological reality of apostolic continuity. Catholicism traces episcopal ordinations directly to the apostles themselves, preserving the faith delivered to the saints. The sacraments, liturgical worship, and hierarchical structure documented in early Christian writings, such as those of Ignatius of Antioch and Irenaeus, reflect the same practices maintained today. Salvation in Catholic theology is fully Christocentric: the death and resurrection of Jesus are entirely sufficient, and the sacraments and moral life serve only to actualise His grace in the believer’s life.

Fourth, regarding works and justification, Catholic teaching distinguishes between works of the Law and works of faith. Romans 3:28 asserts justification by faith apart from works of the Law, referring to Old Testament legalism. Catholicism maintains that authentic faith is inseparable from love and obedience, which naturally produce good works (cf. Galatians 5:6; Philippians 2:12 -13). This understanding does not diminish Christ’s finished work but emphasises the transformative power of grace in the believer.

Finally, the insistence on Sola Scriptura is historically and theologically problematic. The New Testament itself was recognised and preserved through the Church’s authority. Catholicism does not elevate Tradition above Scripture; rather, Scripture and Tradition together form the single deposit of faith, ensuring continuity with the apostles and the correct interpretation of God’s Word.

Catholicism is fully Christian, rooted in the teachings of Christ and the apostles. Faith in Christ alone is central, but authentic faith necessarily bears fruit in love and obedience. Tradition and the Church’s authority are not human inventions, but divine safeguards that preserve the apostolic faith. To sever oneself from any part of Christ, even due to misunderstanding or misconception, is a severe spiritual error. Misrepresentations suggesting otherwise ignore the historical, theological, and scriptural realities of the Church.

Catholic. Apostolic. Alive in Christ.
Deus benedicat Ecclesiae Catholicae.
Pax vobiscum.
Sam

The Bible does not command us to do rituals or liturgies because they are “from the times of the fathers.” It commands us to hold fast to Christ and His Word. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God…that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works” (2 Timothy 3:16–17). Scripture alone is sufficient for faith and practice.

The flesh loves outward rituals and forms. Israel loved outward forms of worship, but God rejected them: “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected wisdom, I will also reject thee…Their song shall be as the troubling of an eagle:… Wash you, make you clean: take away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil” (Isaiah 1:11–17). God never said how worship should “feel” to us. The true test of worship is whether it lines up with the gospel: grace alone, faith alone, in Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8–9).

Orthodoxy can seem ancient and beautiful, but the issue is whether it teaches the pure gospel without adding to it. “Though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel…let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8). Beauty is no substitute for truth. Tradition is no substitute for Scripture.

The New Testament nowhere commands believers to burn incense as part of worship. This was part of the Old Covenant temple system and the Levitical priesthood (Exodus 30: 7–8), but Hebrews 9:9–10 tells us those sacrifices and rituals were “imposed until the time of reformation.” Christ’s death was the fulfillment of the law, and at that moment the temple veil was torn (Matthew 27:51). We come to God no longer by incense, sacrifices, or rituals, but by Christ alone.

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