Peter Thiel has been the in news again. For those who haven’t heard of him, google has a lot of answers. Basically he is a Silicon Valley billionaire who co-founded PayPal and Palantir; a data mining company. What’s of interest was his invitation only talks in San Francisco last year on the antichrist and he’s now in Rome delivering the same talks. Recordings are not allowed. Photos are not allowed. The catholic persuasion has kept their distance. As a gay man, he claims to be a Christian. Maybe he is, but I find him confusing. Perhaps someone here has more insight into this man and just how important is he to end time events?
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Of course, as EVERY serious Christian knew in 1936, Mussolini was The Antichrist.
Only fools play the foolish game of “Today’s Antichrist Candidate Is … !”
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Thanks, but I was asking more to do with Peter Thiel than anything concerning the antichrist. He’s influential politically having supported Vance financially and Trump. He has their ear.
Sorry. I was trying to foster the conversation. I sorry you felt that inappropriate. It’s been removed.
I’d like to bring something up if i might in light of end time interest. I appreciate the heart to have interest in what might be going down with certain players. And trying to see where a piece like Thiel might fit. But I would like to share something to consider in the second half of this post that might have deeper ramifications than even if Thiel well fits in AC rampup systems. And I believe he does fit, by the way, I do think he does.
Thiel interestingly enough has brought up the antichrist and seems to have concern for his arrival. While hopeful I suppose that his system could protect us some how from AC–or perhaps that future leaders become more philosophically inclined to weather the future with altruistic care over pragmatism. OR Thiel just knows what he is unleashing has that power to corrupt down the road and is trying ro provide cover (knowing where this likely goes) or at least gives a disclaimer as he rolls his tech out. Here is a short (25 min) recent (posted 2 weeks ago) video going over meticulous details if helpful and you have not already seen this.
Peter Thiel’s Antichrist Warning
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Up until recently I have not been a fan of things related to antichrist being brought up. Originally, I come from a background of 25 years in having “0” interest in end times. To sensing for sure something is up in 2016. To being pulled in several directions since then. To refining my own theories of end times. To realizing even if that one is real, it may take quite a while.
In the early days of end time speculation (2016) I was interested in Antichrist (AC) because of the Gotthard Tunnel Celebration (sure seemed like a tribute to the 5th trumpet in Revelation). Plus the Olympics opening/closing ceremonies and Superbowl halftime shows often depicted very dark demonic like subjects. Like the whole world literally wanted to roll out a red carpet for AC. Pretty freaky
By 2018 I was well onto a different sort of end time awareness. It seemed to be a time too of God wanting to help humanity see His goodness too. End times rarely ends up in talking about the goodness of God (at least in the themes I have seen over the years). It’s usually about dark themes related to the book of Revelation. The beast system, for example.
The best i can tell, and would likely have best grounding in is that we will see things potentially occur in our age leading to the tribulation (however far off that is). But it would be my understanding that things occurring during and in the age of grace likely mean something different than they will in the tribulation. Precisely because they are two different ages.
I don’t believe the church will see who the antichrist will be. But i do believe that things we can tend to label today as the beast system may become that in the tribulation era. But the focus that today they are or are becoming the beast system has captivated us. I understand that. But what I would like to encourage about our age is it is the age of grace. And the children of light, the children of the day are here now. 1 The 5:11. And because of that reality, it may well be that things we might see as the beast system (like bitcoin for example) may be seen as digital enslavement. Meanwhile along with gold, bitcoin could be used to overtake the failing debt note American dollar (central banking) current day monetary beast system. And provide better financial world economic flow. The only time I have heard something that good or helpful be considered a part of end times is if it is falsely brought to us by an Antichrist in deception. But i think it can come aside from the beast system.
So even though I see Thiel as instrumental in Facebook investment (which many see as a CIA data capture social trap) something that eventually down the road leads to a one-world AC system, I see what Facebook means for us on this side of the tribulation divide isle can be actually some good things. I bring up Facebook as an example of the power of social media today. Yes it has become vanity square and a littering of self centered influencers (its a fallen world). But the advent of the internet (what will become a one-world dominating power infrastructure) helped to see past gas lighting. Brought people close together in ways. And gave access of ability to band together against huge entities not having the greatest motives towards us. The Covid scenario being both a way to see how powerful the internet can protect us from bad medicine, just as much as it was used to manipulate us into taking bad medicine.
My point on this is that the internet (and Thiel investments into social media as example) can provide people all over the world advantage. We can research quicker. We can communicate well with one another. We see BS a lot faster. We can hold some accountable through social media influence. Its a fallen world. So it will always bring bad. But the good the internet has brought is significant. The very ability to have this discussion and learn from one another. In that sense the trajectory of the world has been becoming more socially minded. More altruistic in a fallen sense. But altruistic non-the-less. And if there is a globalist deep state and they try to shut communication down…it will be virtually impossible to escape notice in our day. So some things Thiel, Musk, Trump etc. bring in will likely be AC central notes in the tribulation period. But today bring potential care, healing and advantage as long as it is called today. If that makes sense? Blessings.
Just simply not true. If this were the case, Jesus would have returned, and we would be far different from what we are now. Compared to 1936, the 40s, 50s, even the 60s-70s, we are a much more evil world today. People who are only enough can judge for themselves.
Sorry, but based on what I have read and know about the Word and God, this is yet to come. I understand you disagree; however, that does not make you right. There are way too many things that have NOT happened yet, as depicted in Revelations, for it to have already come about. Trust me, no one will miss it.
Peter
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Thanks Peter for this. In many ways I am still trying to understand the general lay of the land in our forum so I can best communicate within its social framework. I agree with the futurist view. It would seem this forum has 2 major camps in eschatology. 1. Futurist and, 2. Preterist. It would seem these two views are of significant size in our forum. Would that be an accurate assumption?
As for the AC, my general position on that is that the church will likely not know who this will be. My leanings toward a pretrib rapture suggest this. But even more, 2 Thes 2 to me is midtrib focus. Whereas much of the watcher world would see implications of 2Thes2 to be when the AC makes a covenant with the many. Then we would know who the AC is.
I suppose my instinct on that would likely be that the watcher world, from what i have noticed, has been taken by surprise in how it would seem so slow-motion like that end times would seem to be forming around us. From language found in Luke 21:36 and even more like in “sudden destruction” of 1 Thes 5, I believe we have been surprised to see very slowly how things are falling into place. Giving a ton of time for the world to consider. At least that had been the feel a few years back, where it did seem very slow motion like in comparison to perhaps a more “suddenly we find our selves in the tribulation” shock. I believe one of the main reasons for this surprise is how we might have leaned on a sudden like situation to occur, otherwise it would be too obvious to the world what would be happening…effectively removing a need for such sudden language in scripture. And it seemed to make sense to us this way. But now we can see that prophecy can occur right out in the open “all over the place” and it not be obvious at all.
So i say all of that to say perhaps kind of the opposite when it comes to the AC. That we might think to find out. But if 2 Thes 2 language is midtrib oriented, then we won’t know because the reveal seems to be when he demands worship of himself. Then the world would have plain sight. And an angel warning not to take the mark. I bring this up because @Dr_S to me is pointing out that Christians can have overreaction to world events. Even in the watcher camps I would say this phenomenon is common. We can tend to make so many things “sensationalized.” Examples of rapture dates and also i think a pretty big wave (some may not know) coming from Craig Bong and thinking the tribulation was going to start in December of 2024 (according to United Nations charter language).
So I guess I am just trying to get a best sense of where arguments are coming from. I had been in the reformed camp for decades but am no longer in that camp at all. But it would seem there is a pretty significant reformed denominational presence here as well, would you say?
Thanks for the video. It, along with an article in The Guardian, has helped me understand better where Thiel is coming from. His view on the AC is different than what I’ve always believed. He sees it more as a system and I’ve always thought it to be an individual. We both understand that he or it comes about to promise peace and safety when peace is threatened. Again, thanks! A great video
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From what I have seen as well, so yes. My overall view of the AC is a simple one. He is who he is. He will come when he comes. So will Christ and the end times. I do not think anyone who is watching will miss it. I hardly think anyone not watching for it will miss it.
Although these things can indeed be interesting and even perhaps fun to think about, I say do not get bogged down or lost in thought of these things. Simply put, listen to Jesus Himself when He says this.
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” Matthew 24:35-37
We need to simply occupy until He comes. Live our lives and do the will of our Father. For those of us who know we are on the right side, this is a joyous time coming. As for the world? Well, not so much.
Peter
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I’m not sure how I feel about him, in particular - But, I can say that I’m not surprised that this conversation started leaning toward the anti christ and end times.
I’ll do a little more reading before offering a full opinion. But, all-in-all, I’m glad to see fellow Christians questioning the motives of people in the tech industry who are also involved in politics.
I like to say that I swing both ways when it comes to politics because there’s a lot each side gets wrong and there’s plenty each side gets right - But, when it comes to the techy billionaires, it is incredibly interesting to me how quickly values and political promises get thrown out the window in favor of “advancement,” aka, dollars & cents.
I say ‘interesting’ not condescendingly, but with genuine interest in the politics/emotions/psychology behind it all.
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@JennyLynne I just wanted to introduce a concept that I have not seen get a lot of coverage today. As it turns out it is a bit of detail to help solidify what I might actually be saying. So upfront I would just like to note two things:
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By introducing this somewhat of a disclaimer into the mix of considering AC activity as it relates to the age of grace, I do not mean to discourage the genuine interest and related potentials in considering how the developments in the age of grace of the AC can and will relate to the tribulation age.
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Rather, I mean to just encourage something that might, in and of itself, become a likely helpful potential master key perhaps overarching how to apply meanings to events flowing during and out from the age of grace that may differ in significant ways from the age of the tribulation. Hopefully this distinction can find a place in the consideration of how an AC in the age of grace placement discussion might be beneficial.
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I used to believe that we could see and understand our times by understanding how the occult world views things and their estimates of what time it is. I believe understanding how the occult sees things can have merit, but I would just caution it be a mild one (or marginal one). As our season deepens, it might seem crazy to limit perspectives on this sort of thing. Because it will likely become a greater arena of awareness. After delving into seeing the world through occultic eyes (or understanding their perspectives as to what time it is) for a few years about a decade ago, I realized something in noticing all of that. That although these themes are interesting and understanding them would have a place, as I was considering all these things, it would appear that what emerges greater out of all of that, ironically, is what God has revealed about Himself in “general revelation” (specific revelation being His word, general being His creation).
This may sound odd. And to me it still kind of is odd, lol, but while I was desiring to uncover the mysterious realms perhaps found in the ebb and flow of subculture or the underworld it did not for me become a bottomless pit or quagmire. Rather it would seem that no matter what road of dark art I noticed, the neighborhood right behind it would seem more like God’s grand order of creation. And who He is seemingly to tower just a bit more than where even bad faith players may orchestrate things go. In some cases this could have actually become annoying to a degree because even though i genuinely wanted to get a sense of where things were going and what sense to place upon them, what seemed to eventually wash upon the shores of having insight seemed to have more to do somehow with God’s created order than seamless paths of the dark side.
In a sense, all the above is kind of “long-hand” for what I believe to be somewhat of a recipe. A recipe that perhaps implies how reality is sectioned off. Or encased. This may seem to be a strange way to put things. But what i mean is just that it would seem something like this:
- Before rain God had a canopy around the earth. Some moisturizing system that also seemed to protect humanity from rapid aging. Once removed, we started to age faster. And we got rain. During the years of being in that canopy or under that canopy, the reality beyond it would be, yes, that we would age faster…but not while in/under that canopy.
Or…
- No nation on earth could have put themselves forth as representatives of God until He chose a race to be His people. Prior to Abraham being called out to begin a nation for God, no one nation could claim this or do this of themselves. There was a time a season where God did not have a nation of His chosen. And later there was a time for that too. And still later than that there was a time for that nation to be scattered across the world. And a time for that nation to be regathered (even though even now the chosen in Him are Christians from all and any nation). So the sense is that what seems to be discoverable and most real about an epoch in time would best be understood in the context of what season God is nurturing and housing that epoch in time be about–in and of itself. Things that belong to that epoch in time are things that relate to it, most, or perhaps even more than perhaps things that do not so much.
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During the age of the canopy we could search for humans that grew older faster than us…but they would not yet exist. And during the time prior to Israel forming we could search for a chosen people of God on the earth, but their time as maturation had not yet arrived and would not have relative connection to the season that historically belonged to humanity prior to the forming of Israel. A lineage, yes. A tracing back, yes. But not a nation though yet is the sense I’m trying to make.
Just as all of that is true, it could be that to the extent we know there will be some measure of cross over from the age of grace to the tribulation age, I am somewhat taken back as well by how much we also may not be able to best entertain being of such a completely different era. The age of grace. And perhaps how utterly different the age of grace functions in contrast to the ways in which the age of the tribulation will operate.
I don’t say this to discourage notice of where evil plans in our age may well relate to events forth coming in the tribulation age. Rather, what I am suggesting is that what would more likely be “findable” in the age of grace is how God might relate to us His creation in the “economy” of this age. While it is this age still. And in the sense of it winding itself up perhaps be as much a unique expression of our age as we might believe also belongs to the tribulation age. In other words, it is possible that our age of grace have such its own unique ending signature, that could be so unto its own age given be unique enough distinctly from that of the tribulation THAT it is possible for it to actually even look and be quite different from the tribulation. Not being that age…yet.
We see evil increasing. We see lawlessness increase. We see lovers of self increase. We know the age is winding down toward a tribulation age. And we notice all these things occurring during the course of our “advent.” A word perhaps lost to degree to the shuffle hustle and bustle of the increasing billboard presentation frequency of seeing our day mirrored unto us in just how corrupt things are getting. Yet even though, we are to degree, still in an advent. And even though that “advent” is one demonstrating that evil is increasing, yes. It is also this same “advent” where we are able to become more and more aware of that. To some major degree perhaps that we might also call our advent perhaps as much an age of “things being revealed to us” as much as it is even the age of that evil become such to have to be noticed as unusual enough to be that which should or must be “revealed.” If that might make sense?
The one major takeaway I suppose in what I would encourage too is a taking of note and notice in just how God might wrap up the age of grace that may be completely distinct and unique from how the tribulation starts. It may seem by some to perhaps entertain such a notion is somewhat new-age like. But I am not new-age. Rather this: Because we are dealing with a God that turned death on a criminal cross into eternal life, we are dealing with One who transcends our categories of reference. One of those categories being how like our age must be to that of the tribulation. Yet God Himself has separated it as a week (the 70th) belonging to a completely “other than” order of His created order sequence (those other 69 weeks neither are we also in).
I don’t introduce the above to throw a monkey wrench into considering things related to Antichrist (because there likely is some overlap of AC formation into the age of tribulation–and even what must eventually “kick it off from its start”). But what i am hopeful of is while considering how much our age will lean toward a coming antichrist…it would at least equally as much be of reasonable consideration in how alternative also God might wrap up our own age of grace that is completely removed from the 69th to the 70th week skewer.
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Having said all that though, as to the notion of overlap I would say the following: However, i also find it fascinating that there might be such a possibility that the tech giants of today might become the 10 confederate kings of tomorrow that give their power to the AC during the tribulation. If something like that is forming in our age, it is totally understandable we get a sense about that. Amen.
So in another thread I dropped quite a load on you Peter. And so i guess we will see with that one. But I wanted here in this thread under this quote explain something that a verse like this could be used to dismiss.
I would first like to say that if what i conjecture needs to be dismissed, by all means lets have that happen to me…lol. I would gladly be dismissed. Especially by scripture. But if so, it may not be from this particular verse though.
The reason i say this is I believe what Christ is addressing here is most likely that no one knows the day or hour that God will melt the earth and create our eternal state. I do not believe this verse is telling us that no one knows the second coming timing of Christ, exactly perhaps. Now that may be true that no one knows it. But using this verse for that “may” not be the best way to get there.
So i bring this up because as i noted on another thread that bias can tend to be an obstructor of not prophesy but just perhaps what is otherwise plain outside of perhaps conceptions we might grow to hold. And we all have them. I have had mine and have had to have had quite the challenge to them all over the place. And even still, after quite the exercise of that, i still have many in diverse places. So its a given we all have them. Amen.
But as far as this verse is concerned, what this verse links to in what i would see to be a common reading is this: The time heaven and earth passes away will no man know when that is. Nor the angels.
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If i left it there, I would myself be looking at this verse with bias. So I offer you even this objection of mine, to be a gift in demonstrating the anti-climactic magic of bias…lol. That this verse could be used for the 2nd coming of Christ reference regardless of my way to express it otherwise. So taking it a step beyond…right after that verse it says…
- 37 For [ab]the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not [ac]understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 At that time there will be two men in the field; one [ad]will be taken and one [ae]will be left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the [af]mill; one [ag]will be taken and one [ah]will be left.
Seen in the “what follows” context it looks like Jesus is saying that no one knows the day and hour of his literal second coming.
Now, it can be said that i would go out of my way to make sure we locate the best approximation of what Matt 24:36 is saying. And its seems the best we can locate is Christ at his second coming. I have heard and perhaps you as well that this has to refer to the rapture timing (but maybe you don’t exactly also hold this view). But that is not what scripture says. It seems like the logic on this being the rapture timing is it can’t mean when Christ comes after 7 years of tribulation. Because we would be able to count from the covenant with many and know when 7 years later is.
I appreciate that creative logic but I don’t think it is reasonable for those who might make it. And certainly not what should be used to interpret what the word outside of that logic is saying. Its saying what it is saying. So to me it makes sense that this is talking about the end of the tribulation. And instead of a logic stand alone, i’d like to provide scripture + reason.
Scripture: Revelation 16:13-16 (I wanted to post the text but my post is too long. So i removed it to keep this one post only 
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Thief in the night is mentioned to occur during the latter part of the bowl judgements. The final judgements. So that is referring to His second coming. Or severely nearly the approaching of it. I would also suggest too that in the previous verse of Matthew 24 “no one knows,” the timing reference is the reaper angels that gather the tares at the end of the tribulation (Rev 14/Matt 13:24-30). So the best we might i believe gather from scripture is Christ’s second coming. Not the rapture though for those who might hold that view.
Now just because the bible shows us “no one knows” reference to Christ literal second coming does not mean we might know the rapture timing. I am not saying that. What I am saying though is that the scripture is silent on that. Except perhaps in the book of Revelation. Where I believe i could demonstrate an argument that highlights the rapture as something disclosed by Jesus to John – insight gained by Jesus granted from the Father. Which is language borrowed from how the book of Revelation starts. If interested. But even so it would come down to one persons view vs. another at the end of the day. So just saying.
However also if we look at 1 Thes 5, it would imply a very similar model i would also see in Revelation regarding a potential rapture timing. Where it talks about sudden destruction. I believe this implies Ez 38 because of birth pang language used. That might not be accurate. But i am just wanting to provide a sense of maybe some things God might not be opposed to use coming to consider in His word is all, I reckon. Blessings.
I have not seen that one yet, but thanks for the heads up. (Smile) This is one of those things I was talking about before, where I can say “I don’t know.”
Yes, Jesus gave us signs to look for and some very distinct signs. Perhaps for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. However, in my opinion, I repeat for those who may wish to jump, as Paul said, “I say, not the Lord.” My opinion is that the whole reason Jesus made that statement,
“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.”
was for two-fold reasons. The First and probably the most important was this.
“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.”
Jesus is telling us this because no one knows the time and date, so if they say March 27 at 3 pm, we know they are lying. If someone comes and says, “Look, here I am. I am Jesus returned.” We will know they are a liar.
“See, I have told you beforehand. So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” Matthew 24:23-27
We will not miss it. The second reason I think He told us this is because of what was happening, just like a couple of months ago. Social media, especially TikTok and YouTube, became a massive echo chamber for these predictions. It followed a very specific pattern that led to some pretty life-altering decisions for those involved.
The most recent and intense version of this happened around September 23–24, 2025. A prophecy from a South African pastor, Joshua Mhlakela, went viral. He claimed to have a vision of Jesus returning on Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year.
The hashtag #RaptureTok blew up. People were filming themselves quitting their jobs, cleaning out their desks, and selling their cars or homes. There was a sense of “Why do I need a 401(k) if I’m leaving tomorrow?” However, as often happens, when the date passed, the social media landscape shifted from “anticipation” to a mix of “deconstruction.” People questioning their faith and heavy mockery from outsiders.
From a grounded perspective, these movements often cause a lot of “collateral damage.” People return to their lives with no income, no transportation, and a fractured sense of community. It’s a modern example of how digital “echo chambers” can turn a niche theological idea into a widespread social crisis. As for me? I’m sticking to God. I will occupy until He comes.
I will look for your other post.
Peter
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Thanks for sharing that Peter. Well said. It sounds like an episode of South Park unfortunately. It also is somewhat similar to the re-emerging controversial ideals of Kirk Cameron. Who did the “Left Behind” series. And was all excited about pre-trib eschatology. Only to then latter realize that the verses about “two in the field, one left…” occurred much later in the tribulation than prior to it. But instead of realizing that those verses were wrongly used by pretribbers and actually were always about the reaper angels in the late stage of the tribulation, Kirk decided that him getting those verses wrong meant pretrib views were inaccurate.
So it was like he was making the same mistake twice moving into pretrib and moving away from it. In both cases he let moods towards those verses shift his belief. Instead of taking the time before the Lord and studying it for himself. A kind of, another, South Park moment. 
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The Turkish language has two different verbs for seeing things: bakmak, a generic, all-purpose verb for looking at stuff. And seyretmek, for passive viewing of stuff.
One of my big gripes with “prophecy teaching” is the way it advocates a passive viewing attitude towards life around us.
Speaking of fortune tellers …
[ Fortune-telling is closely associated with gypsies, and it is very revealing to know that 𝐠𝐲𝐩𝐬𝐢𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐧𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐨 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐮𝐧𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐨𝐥𝐝: 𝐢𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐝𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐨𝐮𝐭𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲. … … ]
To continue …
[[ Jan Yoors gives us a summary of the comments of a young gypsy woman on fortune-telling:
In essence Keja said that 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐯𝐢𝐝𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐮𝐧𝐞-𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐜𝐚𝐦𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐚𝐧 𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐛𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐨𝐩𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐨𝐧𝐞’𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐱𝐢𝐞𝐭𝐢𝐞𝐬. 𝐈𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝐬𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐬𝐟𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐢𝐭 𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚 𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟-𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐩𝐞𝐭𝐮𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐞𝐝 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐡𝐞𝐜𝐲, 𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐮𝐥𝐬𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐠𝐚𝐦𝐛𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠, 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐦𝐟𝐮𝐥, 𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐭 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭. It blinded one to the causes of one’s problems, and this was “madness.” It was a vain and self-defeating search for expedient solutions to problems of moral integrity, and was caused by an unwillingness to face life as it way. Most people consulted fortune-tellers primarily to seek the confirmation of their fears, more often than of their hopes. Fears could become father to a wish, for many subconsciously wanted to have happen that which they said they fear most. Keja said that fears impoverished, while the acceptance of sorrow could enrich. ]]
RJR, IBL vol. 2 p. 153
Correct @Dr_S and to add…
The Bible does not name a specific individual as “the Antichrist.” Instead, it describes both a spirit of opposition to Christ and future figures of rebellion. The term appears in the letters of John, while Paul and Revelation speak of a “man of lawlessness” and “the beast,” but no single person is identified by name.
Where the Bible Mentions “Antichrist”
1 John 2:18, 22
John writes that “many antichrists have come” and defines an antichrist as anyone who denies that Jesus is the Messiah.
1 John 4:3
Speaks of “the spirit of the antichrist” already active in the world.
2 John 1:7
Warns of deceivers who deny Jesus came in the flesh.
These passages show that “antichrist” is not limited to one figure but refers to anyone opposing Christ’s truth.
Related Biblical Imagery
2 Thessalonians 2:3–4
Paul describes a “man of lawlessness” who exalts himself above God and deceives many.
Revelation 13
John’s vision of a “beast” rising from the sea, empowered to wage war against the saints.
These figures are often associated with the idea of a final Antichrist, but the text itself does not give a personal name.
Key Points to Understand, in my opinion…
Plural vs. Singular: John uses “antichrist” in the plural, showing that many individuals can embody this opposition.
Symbolic Language: Revelation’s beast imagery is highly symbolic, representing systems of power and rebellion against God. Where many go wrong here…
No Named Person: The Bible never says “the Antichrist is [specific person].” Interpretations vary widely, but Scripture itself leaves the identity open.
So why speculate?
Comparison Table
Passage Term Used Description
1 John 2:18–22 Antichrist Anyone denying Jesus as Messiah
1 John 4:3 Spirit of antichrist Ongoing opposition to Christ
2 John 1:7 Deceiver Denies Jesus came in flesh
2 Thessalonians 2:3–4 Man of lawlessness Exalts himself above God
Revelation 13 Beast Symbolic ruler opposing God
Risks of Misinterpretation
Speculation: Many have tried to identify political leaders or historical figures as “the Antichrist,” but Scripture does not support naming individuals.
Distraction: Focusing on guessing identities can distract from the biblical call to remain faithful and discerning.
Symbolic Context: Apocalyptic texts use imagery that should be read carefully, not literally applied to current events without context.
The Bible speaks of antichrists in general, a spirit of opposition, and symbolic figures of rebellion, but it does not reveal a specific named person as “the Antichrist.” The emphasis is on recognizing deception and remaining steadfast in Christ.
I’m more concerned with working out my own salvation with fear and trembling rather than go into PHILOSOPHICAL reasonings and speculations re eschatology.
Stay rooted in what stands written, Perfect tense, and nothing else.
J.
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Excellent point Johann.
@Dr_S Wow thanks for all of that. Although I am a futurist, I am saddened to see the watcher world (particularly through the Calvery Chapel movement) take it the direction they are. Although i am glad that they have a genuine interest and concern. I understand what you are saying here…
So the reason i am glad senses of prophesy potential fulfilling are being addressed is because of my futurist views. And it would have “a place” I believe. But the way the church has come to use it is exulting in its perceived office to do so. To the degree I believe that is not her place to do that like that is to the degree I would also see it make light of the value of life you see ignored by prophesy focus. Too much focus is on the church fortune telling. Too little awareness of holding an imaginary office that does not exactly belong to them/us is likely a symptom of pride that ignores basic humble lower “commons” issues of life around their excellence.
As for a combination of both quotes (Johann/Dr S): There are things from the reformed perspective that I do believe have great value. One, I believe, is the passionate belief that God is very active in His role post creation (Macarthur). I believe this is extremely the case. And where I might have felt mislead about His character in decades past, I believe in our day and age we can and I hope do come to see His character in end times possibly being on the radar. The church highlights the tribulation and the Antichrist. I believe God would and is highlighting the 1,000 year reign reminder. Highlighting His goodness over the church emphasized role of what I would consider to somewhat be an infatuational spiked punch bowl of/on punishment (to come or deserved). Numbers 20:8-13
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@Bestill – My background is from previous forums that had a lot of diverse conversation springing off from the Original Post. However, I am not exactly sure of this forum’s social media decorum altogether. So apologies on my side if this has gotten way off track. In earnest care to your OP, I came across a video a couple of days ago and it has some interesting discussion about Thiel and his AC views. Pretty interesting brief discussion.
Secretive tech mogul Peter Thiel brings his Antichrist lectures to the Vatican’s doorstep | DW News CAME OUT 3 DAYS AGO – Is 22 minutes long
In addition @Bestill I came across an interview where Thiel came up around the 14 minute mark. Why Key Independent Media Figures STILL DENY Epstein Story! w/ Whitney Webb