The Parable of the 10 Virgins (Matthew 25:1-13)

KPuff: Please know I very much appreciate how you wear your faith on your sleeve.

In answer to your question, allow me to ask a question:

What are the ramifications of belief?

The 10 Virgins represent the Church and the oil represents the Holy Spirit.

versus

The 10 Virgins represent Israel and the oil represents humility.

I’ll be back with the mystery for the Church… but please, give thought to that and what it means to a believer.

Peace.

sixthseal

I didn’t say otherwise. But when you link your website in your Forum profile it doesn’t take a great detective. It was rather elementary to find a purveyor of Holmes.

MrE

Consider the context: The posts of Tillman & AJ32.

That’s my response to your f/up post…

Peace.

sixthseal

No problem, 6.
I forgive you.

I am going to move on to something else now so you just take care of you.

Thanks, I appreciate the time you have spent in studying these similitudes. I’m also looking at this symbolism as going back to the dawn of creation. And it is with the purpose of understanding the future fulfillments as you have rightly stated.

The similitude of the Passover is something that I believe has been repeated over and over in the scriptures, Egypt being the epitome, and also giving us the connection of the midnight hour reference. I appreciate you making that connection.

I will also make a simple connection, please tell me what you think. It has to do with the workings of God as a master weaver looking over the tapestry of creation from before the beginning, and weaving carefully chosen threads throughout history, or is it His story haha?

Let’s look at a well established principle in the workings of our Father, the master weaver, and Jesus his Son by whom and for whom all things were created.

It is that of passing through, and passing over. I’m not a weaver but I know in order to make a stitch with a needle you must do both of these things. I’m going to thread this needle, pass through the fabric, and make the appropriate loop to bind it in place. This may vary depending on the design, whether embroidery, or a button, or to mend a tear in the fabric, but regardless of the design I must pass through, and pass over.

The needle must penetrate completely dividing the fabric, and Passover in order to effect its purpose.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Here we see God creating first the heavens and secondly the earth and they were separate or divided.
Genesis 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The Spirit of God moved over (or passed over the face of the deep).
Genesis 1:3-4
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Another piercing, or dividing.
Genesis 1:5
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
The first day being like a repeating loop or Passover.
Genesis 1:6
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Genesis 1:7-8
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Dividing again, and making more distinctions of that which is above and beneath.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Second day, another loop or Passover.
Genesis 1:9-10
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Divide the land from the water.
Genesis 1:11-12
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Here is where his dividing and passing over take on a life of their own. Seed planted sewing seed, (pun intended) followed by new life springing up in resurrection power.

I have more examples, but I’m going to take a break and get ready for work. Let me know what you guys think.

AJ32. Thought provoking indeed! Yet, I have never invested time in that subject. God bless you for doing so. It certainly seems reasonable; feel free to share more.

Peace.

sixthseal

To everyone left following this: Please consider the contrast in interpretations and what it means to our understanding of the revelation of the mystery for Israel and the Church.

What are the implications when viewing the Gospel of Luke? Luke 21, especially.

I’ll be back mid week, but if anyone would like to put forth their thoughts on the ramifications of the different interpretations, please do so.

Peace.

sixthseal

Thanks, glory to God, I do have do more on the subject. (I think that it may help in understanding the subject matter at hand, I am also still wading through much of what you presented). The key to understanding each new day as a loop is found in two Hebrew words. One is the word night found in Genesis 1, and the other is loops found only in Exodus 26 & 36.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Night H3915
Lemma:
‎לילה ליל ליל ⟺ לַיִל
Transliteration:
layil lêyl layelâh
Pronunciation:
lah’-yil
Part of Speech:
Noun Masculine
Root Word (Etymology):
From the same as לוּל H3883
BDB Lexicon:

  1. night
    a. night (as opposed to day)
    b. of gloom, protective shadow (figuratively)
    Strong’s Definitions:
    From the same as לוּל H3883; properly a twist (away of the light), that is, night ; figuratively adversity: - ([mid-]) night (season).
    Occurrences in Bible:
    233
    Occurrences in Verses:
    223
    KJV usage:
    night (205x), nights (15x), midnight (with H2677) (4x), season (3x), midnight (with H2676) (2x), night (with H1121) (2x), midnight (1x), midnight (with H8432) (1x).

I like the description “a twisting away of the light” it reminds me of His threads of light.

Now let’s look at loops.

Exodus 26:5

Fifty loops shalt thou make in the one curtain, and fifty loops shalt thou make in the edge of the curtain that is in the coupling of the second; that the loops may take hold one of another.
loops
H3924 Lemma:
‎ללאה ⟺ לֻלָאָה
Transliteration:
lûlâ’âh
Pronunciation:
loo-law-aw’
Part of Speech:
Noun Feminine
Root Word (Etymology):
From the same as לוּל H3883
BDB Lexicon:

  1. loop
    a. used in attaching curtains to hooks
    Strong’s Definitions:
    From the same as לוּל H3883; a loop: - loop.
    Occurrences in Bible:
    13
    Occurrences in Verses:
    7
    KJV usage:
    loop (13x).

I like how it says “that the loops may take hold one of another.”

If the loops do represent passovers, what connections do they make? What are the figurative connections of the curtains, and why 50 loops? The days are all connected by a series of loops we call night. The Hebrew day beginning with the night. There is much to consider.

The common thread between these two words (night and loop) is only found once. H3883

1 Kings 6:8
The door for the middle chamber was in the right side of the house: and they went up with winding stairs into the middle chamber, and out of the middle into the third.
stairs
H3883 Lemma:
‎לוּל ⟺ לוּל
Transliteration:
lûl
Pronunciation:
lool
Part of Speech:
Noun Masculine
Root Word (Etymology):
From an unused root meaning to fold back
BDB Lexicon:

  1. staircase, winding stair, shaft or enclosed space with steps or ladder
    Strong’s Definitions:
    From an unused root meaning to fold back; a spiral step: - winding stair. Compare לֻלָאָה H3924.
    Occurrences in Bible:
    1
    Occurrences in Verses:
    1
    KJV usage:
    winding stair (1x).

Again there is the imagery of winding or twisting (in this case upwards in the temple). These Hebrew words are related and part of a family of words that provide the Hebraic imagery, and a deeper understanding that the nomadic Shepherd would have easily understood. (It also reminds me of Jacob’s ladder).

Let’s look at one of my favorite examples that I’ve found so far (outside of the Passover in Egypt).

Gen. 18:1-8

1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

H5674
Lemma:
‎עבר ⟺ עָבַר
Transliteration:
‛âbar
Pronunciation:
aw-bar’
Part of Speech:
Verb
Root Word (Etymology):
A primitive root
BDB Lexicon:

  1. to pass over or by or through, alienate, bring, carry, do away, take, take away, transgress
    a. (Qal)
  2. to pass over, cross, cross over, pass over, march over, overflow, go over
  3. to pass beyond
  4. to pass through, traverse
    a. passers-through (participle)
    b. to pass through (the parts of victim in covenant)
  5. to pass along, pass by, overtake and pass, sweep by
    a. passer-by (participle)
    b. to be past, be over
  6. to pass on, go on, pass on before, go in advance of, pass along, travel, advance
  7. to pass away
    a. to emigrate, leave (one’s territory)
    b. to vanish
    c. to perish, cease to exist
    d. to become invalid, become obsolete (of law, decree)
    e. to be alienated, pass into other hands
    b. (Niphal) to be crossed
    c. (Piel) to impregnate, cause to cross
    d. (Hiphil)
  8. to cause to pass over, cause to bring over, cause to cross over, make over to, dedicate, devote
  9. to cause to pass through
  10. to cause to pass by or beyond or under, let pass by
  11. to cause to pass away, cause to take away
    e. (Hithpael) to pass over

Strong’s Definitions:

A primitive root; to cross over; used very widely of any transition (literally or figuratively; transitively, intransitively, intensively or causatively); specifically to cover (in copulation): - alienate, alter, X at all, beyond, bring (over, through), carry over, (over-) come (on, over), conduct (over), convey over, current, deliver, do away, enter, escape, fail, gender, get over, (make) go (away, beyond, by, forth, his way, in, on, over, through), have away (more), lay, meddle, overrun, make partition, (cause to, give, make to, over) pass (-age, along, away, beyond, by, -enger, on, out, over, through), (cause to, make) + proclaim (-amation), perish, provoke to anger, put away, rage, + raiser of taxes, remove, send over, set apart, + shave, cause to (make) sound, X speedily, X sweet smelling, take (away), (make to) transgress (-or), translate, turn away, [way-] faring man, be wrath.

So it appears that ‛âbar can mean pass through or pass over depending upon the context.

4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your-
(unleavened bread)
-hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye-
H5674
Lemma:
‎עבר ⟺ עָבַר
Transliteration:
‛âbar

-come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
(unleavened bread)

7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf-
Calf H1121
Lemma:
‎בּן ⟺ בֵּן
Transliteration:
bên
Pronunciation:
bane
Part of Speech:
Noun Masculine
Root Word (Etymology):
From בָּנָה H1129
BDB Lexicon:

  1. son, grandson, child, member of a group
    a. son, male child
    b. grandson
    c. children (plural - male and female)
    d. youth, young men (plural)
    e. young (of animals)
    f. sons (as characterisation, i.e. sons of injustice [for unrighteous men] or sons of God [for angels])
    g. people (of a nation) (plural)
    h. of lifeless things, i.e. sparks, stars, arrows (figuratively)
    i. a member of a guild, order, class
    Strong’s Definitions:
    From בָּנָה H1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like אָב H1, אָח H251, etc.): - + afflicted, age, [Ahoh-] [Ammon-] [Hachmon-] [Lev-]ite, [anoint-]ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, [Assyr-] [Babylon-] [Egypt-] [Grec-]ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant[-est], whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.

-tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.

8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf (or lamb) which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

Sounds a lot like eating the Passover to me. Do you see the connections I’m making?

The Lord passed over Abraham and Sarah on the angels’ way to pass through Sodom, leaving the promise of a son or bên that would be born through his resurrection power. The angels continued on to Sodom where they passed over Lot’s family, and passed through Sodom destroying the cities of the plain.

This may seem anecdotal but I believe it sheds light on the workings and patterns of God.

If I follow you correctly, and the 10 represent the whole.

The 10 virgins represent the whole house of Israel. Five being foolish, and Five being wise.

The five wise are the elect, and they are a remnant.

While the 10 specifically represent, Israel, and people of Israeli descent. What is shown in this similitude expands to speak to what is also happening with the other 90% also. In other words the Gentiles.

What is left out if we simply apply this to church goers as you say, would be the timing of the situation, and an important warning.

If the oil, only represents the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and you leave off humility as part the defining interpretation.

You may end up being one of those who say, Lord Lord, did we not do blah, blah, all these wonderful things in your name?

The parable of the fig tree provides a timeline for Israel that will be reflected onto all of God’s people. It also signals the end, when both heaven and earth will be shaken, and only that which cannot be shaken will remain.

Why are you reading so much about Israel, etc?

Parables were spoken by Jesus to the people of His time to teach them various principles. In this case, it is clearly about being ready when Jesus returns. Nothing more.

AJ32. Your post is deep… to say the least. I appreciate very much your dedication to Scripture.

I do like the way you draw a contrast between the following: “pass over” (spared from death) & “pass through” (death).

This is a good discussion. And I’d to bring KPuff & Benny into this post.

Consider how the blood of lamb caused the angel of death to pass over the Hebrew homes, sparing them from death.

Now, fast forward to the time of Christ, and His blood—and what it means for us now, and in the future:

How much more then, being now justified by His blood, shall we be saved from wrath through Him. (Rom. 5:9)

In Greek, “saved” means, “to preserve safe from danger, loss, or destruction.”

[A]nd to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus, who
delivered us from the wrath to come. (1 Thess. 1:10)

In Greek, “deliver” means, “to draw or snatch to one’s self; to draw or snatch from danger, to rescue.”

Concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need that I write to you. For you know perfectly that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. When they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor upon a woman with child, and they shall not escape. (1 Thess. 5:1-3)

For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus
Christ. (1 Thess. 5:9)

AJ32, KPuff, & Benny:

What does Christ’s revelation—on being saved from wrath—mean to you, regarding prophecy that affects you personally?

In other words, what is our Lord revealing to you?

When does “wrath” actually commence on the Earth?

Peace.

sixthseal

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Hello Benny, I wondered the same thing about this post when I started reading it. Why fixate on the nation of Israel?

I agree with you that there are underlying principles that were being taught, and I have viewed this passage very much the same as you. Up until now.

There is imagery however in the passage that indicates a timeline. Midnight, the wedding banquet, and the fig tree context.

Jesus encouraged us to understand the parable of the fig tree. But how?

Matthew 13:52
Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

Isaiah 46:9-10
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The Lord has provided examples of how we can understand these things (principles included also), by the shadows, or similitudes laid out in the scriptures. The new being the fulfillment of the old, the Hebrew giving concrete meaning to the Greek.

Jesus also gave us certain things to look for.

Matthew 24:32-33
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Luke 21:20
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

We are looking for new growth on the fig tree. Ironically while we are busy making sure that the whole world hears the gospel, he is saying that we should also watch and pray for a significant awakening in Israel before he returns. Israel is still in the hearing and seeing but not understanding phase, but that will change and be a sign that the end is very close.

Mark 13:28-29
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

Proverbs 27:18
Whoso keepeth the fig tree shall eat the fruit thereof: so he that waiteth on his master shall be honoured.

Song of Solomon 2:13
The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.

Revelation 6:12-14
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

If the 10 virgins of Israel also represent the larger spiritual Israel then it puts meat on the bones of “watch and pray”. So that the day of the Lord doesn’t catch us sleeping.

Am I making sense?

A good question, on a good day. I’m celebrating 34 years with Jesus today, everyone say Hallelujah!

I would very much like to share my testimony at some point. But I will wait upon the Lord.

I will share something personal about what he is revealing to me. I was born again at 17 and during the following year I had a series of dreams. One of them stands out with the subject at hand.

I was in the desert and it was dark, I was wearing a woven robe with a red woven tie for my waist. I looked up and saw the moon like blood and the sky was black, I saw myself as I began to prophesy. “Every day the sky grows darker and the moon becomes more like blood”.

As soon as I was done prophesying I saw stars like great balls of light coming down from above. There were several that flew down and one flew close by me. I awoke from the dream understanding that they were angels.

When does wrath commence on the earth?

This is an interesting question. It seems to me that the first resurrection is almost simultaneous with the catching away.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Isaiah 26:19-21
19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

I have a hard time making pre-trib doctrine work, it seems like believers are still going to be here right up to the end. When I say end, that’s exactly what Jesus is going to do to everyone else who remains, end them, and raise them again in the second resurrection.

It is only because of the blood of Jesus that we will be passed over. I think the woven red waist tie in my dream was like the scarlet threads, the rest of the thickly woven garment I was wearing reminds me of being clothed in his righteousness, like borrowing his clothes, but also now reminds me of him as a weaver.

Psalms 19:2-5
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

Every day he reminds us, whether we listen or not. Every day he is angry with the wicked, storing up wrath for that day. And every day he passes over us because of his own blood that was shed, it is only by the grace of God that we are spared.

Thank you Jesus!
Thanks Sixthseal, and to everyone who has contributed to this thread, I’m felling blessed!

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Brothers,
I have read (and re-read) this thread with interest, and I have tried to follow along best I can. I admit, I have often found myself lost in the weeds, and at times wondering how I got here. I am encouraged by the dedication, and impressed by the scholarship, and I do resonate with much of what has been shared here. By resonate I mean I sense The Lord has brought us down a similar path of understanding in some ways, and in that shared path we find fellowship. There are still some thoughts in this thread in which I am having difficulty finding the same kind of fellowship. I guess that is to be expected, “till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ…” (Ephesians 4:13)

In this thread, I have asked sixthseal several questions, which so far have gone unanswered. By the same token, sixthseal has asked me some questions that I have not sufficiently responded to either. I apologize.

Most recently sixthseal has asked:

I admit, I am hesitant to launch into a full explanation of my personal theology regarding “the wrath of God” and soteriology “the theology of salvation”, because I do not feel I understand my audience well enough to be sure I’m not participating in divisiveness. Also, these topics are hard to cover appropriately in this forum format. I can submit that the righteousness (right-ness) of God as expressed in His Holiness is in opposition to all that is unrighteous (unholy, ungodly), and as the creator of everything, God acts rightly in fulfilling His promise to eliminate it. The elimination of ungodliness is an act of Love, justice, righteousness, and holiness. Personally, I am among the created; as such I am guilty of ungodliness (sin), and as such deserving of being separated from God for eternity (subject to permanent death / unsuitable for permanent life). “But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.” (Ephesians 2:4-7)

I hope this is an adequate personal explanation of my understanding of these two subjects.

Regarding the specific portion of Matthew that this post is referencing: What sixthseal has done (for me anyway) is shine a light on how easily it is to accept a popular teaching about a portion of The Bible, and rest satisfied in a comfortable misunderstanding. I am reminded that the riches of God’s mercy and grace are not dependent on our fully grasping the fullness and depth of Biblical revelation, but knowing God has “gifted” us His Word for our edification, we will never be disappointed by giving our utmost to understanding it, nor will we ever regret a single moment we yielded to His teaching. I will offer a personal testimony of my experience: I have found that a scholarly approach to Bible Study, or an intellectual approach to Bible Study, or an approach that is dependent on commentaries or sermons, or multimedia presentations, in the absence of a intentional yielding to the Holy Spirit of God (the author of the Word), i.e. by seeking and asking for His assistance, will only stir up every wind of doctrine that in pursuing unity, we so desperately need to avoid; “that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head–Christ-- from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love. (Ephesians 4:14-16)

Resting in The Living Loving One with y’all
KP

Yes, you are making sense.

Thanks KPuff, appreciate your testimony, and I agree, in fact I’ve kind of taken this thinking a little too far. I avoid books, preachers, and doctrines in general, praying that the Holy Spirit will teach me what I need to know. I’ve been lax in really trying to understand the order of end time events though. I think it’s time for me to open up a little, and I’ve enjoyed our conversation here. I feel that everyone who has contributed values the truth more than their own opinion.

My attitude that all of these things are going to happen regardless has made me lazy in this department. But then again I know I’ve been experiencing my own kind of wake up call for the last year or so too.

My interest has peaked from our discussion and while I’m not 100% sure yet, I am proving all these things. There is a little altar that I have, and I try to a remember to toss everything onto the coals. This process takes time, but whatever is of God survives the flames and comes back to me.

Iron sharpens iron, and as we press one another we will find oil. I’m ok with being wrong about this stuff, because the truth is I really don’t understand it all. My experience is that we pray and are inspired by wisdom, we search out knowledge to get a clearer picture. Part of that knowledge comes through experience and takes time. But if we are patient his perfect work is done in us, giving us boldness and understanding.

I’d love to be raptured out of here today, if you guys can show me a way to believe in a pre-trib doctrine I’d be extatic. I just haven’t heard anything convincing enough yet. But then I haven’t really sought after it either. In the mean time I trust God to help us not to trust in our flesh, and to help us to hear what the Spirit is saying.

Amen?

Hello Benny, I’m glad you think so, what are your thoughts on the subject?

My thoughts are that Jesus told stories about God, His kingdom, His actions, etc. in parables so that the concepts would be understood by some but not by others, according to the will of His father.

Matthew 13:10-15, "The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’ "

The parable of the ten virgins is a perfect example.

I agree with you 100%, I’m just grasping for more of these concepts. I’m going to put forth what I feel is being reflected through the scriptures and our conversations. I’m asking that you and anyone else who cares to edit or comment on my thoughts to please do so. I’m grasping for understanding, but I don’t want to be the one jousting at windmills, and as I said I am not 100% convinced myself.

Israel was comprised Judah and Jerusalem.
Judah meaning to cast away stones or arrows and make a confession of praise. Jerusalem meaning to shoot an arrow instructively, to show the place of peace by instruction, as if to say “there is the place of peace”.

The good figs of Jeremiah were the remnant of Israel that kept themselves as a Virgins before God. The bad figs are those who didn’t submit to the Babylonian captivity but continued to prophecy peace when there was no peace, thus showing that they had already confused themselves through corruption, false teachings, false prophecy, and idol worship. They denied turning from God and taught Israel to error through their pastors, leaders, priests, and prophets. They also turned a blind eye to the idolatry of Baal worship, which is likened to receiving another Christ.

Babel or Babylon means to confuse or confound by mixture, its roots mean to overflow with oil, or to mix like fodder for cattle. Babylon means confusion and comes from Babel and its tower. Nimrod was Babel’s builder and leader, he was a mighty hunter before the LORD. Nebuchadrezzar was Babylon’s king following Nimrod’s lead and ruling over the entire world. The Antichrist will claim to be the son of God, only with Nimrod’s rebellious nature against what he sees as the harshness of the Father.

The Gentiles were grafted into the olive tree of Israel, and are now partakers of both the blessing and the curse, the promise and the warning, they are Jews spiritually having crossed over under the new covenant. If they bear good fruit that is, if not they follow the same judgement as unbelieving Israel. The signs of the end are birth pangs, we are thinking that one of the last signs of the end is that Israel will be saved, many however are called, but few are chosen.

Over the last 2000 years much confusion has entered the Church as it is called. The true believers today (God’s called out people) are or have also been in their own Babylonian captivity spiritually to one degree or another. Church becoming like Babylon with its mixture, and the Catholics being the epitome of this, with the Protestants having declared their Exodus from the world of Egypt, yet having not protested enough are still holding onto their Babylonian mixture roots to a large degree.

Here is the part I’m not really sure about.

As we draw near to the end the world like Babel, or Babylon which ruled the entire world, will once again become a one world government. The religious and moral elements of Babylon the mother of harlots with her cup of mixed abominations are hated by the Kings of the earth and will ultimately be her demise. The inflexible moral and spiritual elements of the religious ironically are a hindrance to the kings who desire like Satan to be worshipped as God. The beast hates and will destroy the whore for sitting on top of them, bringing the fourth kingdom into fruition, one where religion and God have no place in government, a one world government where the Antichrist will appear, and then there will be great tribulation. Both the heavens and earth will be shaken like a fig tree, the good figs gathered in and the rest destroyed.

The 5 wise virgins ultimately represent the remnant of spiritual Israel regardless of their race or lineage. There will be a gathering together at the midnight hour of deliverance for all of God’s people. It is interesting to note the Antichrist’s number is 666 and the word Christ is used 555 times in the KJV scriptures.

Job 34:16-20
16 If now thou hast understanding, hear this: hearken to the voice of my words.
17 Shall even he that hateth right govern? and wilt thou condemn him that is most just?
18 Is it fit to say to a king, Thou art wicked? and to princes, Ye are ungodly?
19 How much less to him that accepteth not the persons of princes, nor regardeth the rich more than the poor? for they all are the work of his hands.
20 In a moment shall they die, and the people shall be troubled at midnight, and pass away: and the mighty shall be taken away without hand.

Your thoughts please my brothers!

I have no idea what you’re talking about. The Bible means exactly what it says; it is a serious mistake to read something into it that isn’t there.

The parable of the ten virgins has nothing to do with Judah and Jerusalem. Judah is a tribe; Jerusalem is a city. “Judah” means “praise”, “Jerusalem” means “The Lord provides peace”. I don’t know where you get your meanings, but they are wrong.

The parable of the virgins is all about waiting and preparation. People must be ready at all times for the king (Jesus) to return. You must have sufficient faith, symbolized by the oil, to last until He comes a second time.