What about Romans 11:32?

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The verse: “For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.” NIV

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@johann So what does “hardening” and “bound over to disobedience” mean? Hopefully you might not mind doing your word analysis?

Of course I’m not suggesting that God causes our disobedience. In fact, that’s my whole body of work/ministry - that God is never the author or immediate cause of evil. I’m saying that the verse seems to straightforwardly say that God has bound everyone over to disobedience. So what does the verse actually mean?

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Much better, I really thought you said God CAUSED pantas TO sin brother.

Rom 11:32 For γὰρ - ὁ God Θεὸς has bound up συνέκλεισεν - τοὺς all πάντας in εἰς disobedience, ἀπείθειαν that ἵνα He may show mercy to ἐλεήσῃ. - τοὺς all. πάντας

Romans 11:32 KJV reads…

“For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.”

Here is the exegetical exposition with morphology grounded in the KJV text.

The verse begins with For, linking this statement causally to Paul’s preceding argument regarding Israel’s partial hardening and the inclusion of the Gentiles (Romans 11:25–31). God (ὁ Θεός, nominative singular masculine) is the acting subject, emphasizing divine sovereignty in permitting the present state of unbelief.

The verb hath concluded translates συνέκλεισεν (synekleisen, aorist active indicative, 3rd singular), meaning “shut up together,” “enclosed,” or “bound,” indicating that God judicially allows all to experience the consequences of unbelief; the aorist active points to the decisive and completed act in God’s redemptive timeline.

Them all (τοὺς πάντας, accusative plural masculine) refers inclusively to both Jews and Gentiles in their state of sin and rejection, showing universality. In unbelief (εἰς ἀπείθειαν, preposition + accusative singular feminine) describes the sphere or relational state of disobedience; the preposition eis denotes purpose or direction, and the noun apeitheia denotes refusal or rejection, not God-caused moral guilt.

The purpose clause that he might have mercy upon all (ἵνα ἐλεήσῃ τοὺς πάντας, aorist active subjunctive, 3rd singular) expresses God’s teleological aim. The aorist subjunctive highlights intended outcome: God’s allowance of unbelief serves His plan to extend mercy. Mercy is not forced; rather, God permits accountability so that His compassionate plan can be realized.

b. to shup up on all sides, shut up completely; τινα εἰς τινα or τί, so to deliver one up to the power of a person or thing that he is completely shut in, as it were, without means of escape: τινα εἰς ἀπείθειαν, Rom_11:32 (εἰς ἀγῶνα, Polybius 3, 63, 3; εἰς τοιαύτην ἀμηχανιαν συγκλεισθεις Ἀντιγονος μετεμελετο, Diodorus 19, 19; οὐ συνέκλεισάς με εἰς χεῖρας ἐχθροῦ, Psa_30:9 (); τά κτήνη εἰς θάνατον, Psalm 77:50 (); cf. Fritzsche, Ep. ad Romans, ii., p. 545f); also τινα ὑπό τί, under the power of anything, i. e. so that he is held completely subject to it: ὑπό ἁμαρτίαν, Gal_3:22 (the Scripture has shut up or subjected, i. e. declared them to be subject);

Cross-references reinforce this KJV understanding: ~Romans 3:9–19 emphasizes that all are under sin and accountable, dedikastai (perfect passive indicative), establishing universal culpability. ~Romans 5:12–14 links sin to Adam’s act, not divine causation of individual sin. ~Romans 9:22–23 shows God permits vessels for wrath and mercy, highlighting His purpose without compelling moral evil.

Exegetically, Romans 11:32 in the KJV teaches that God judicially allows all humanity to exist in unbelief, highlighting human accountability, while His ultimate purpose is mercy toward all. It does not teach that God causes anyone to sin; the verse frames divine allowance within the redemptive plan culminating in Christ.

Context.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

What Bible software are you using @Pater15 ? And are you a Calvinist? Yes/No?

Your brother.

J.

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@Johann yeah, that’s what I was gonna say… (LOL)

Thank you - that’s pretty amazing.

@Johann “In unbelief (εἰς ἀπείθειαν, preposition + accusative singular feminine) describes the sphere or relational state of disobedience; the preposition eis denotes purpose or direction, and the noun apeitheia denotes refusal or rejection, not God-caused moral guilt.”

SO when God creates all of us persons, we are in the same boat of unbelief. There is no favored group on the fast track to His mercy, but rather all are free to choose mercy and reconciliation, by choosing to believe God and His grace through Christ. He sets an even bar.

A crack baby from the south side has the same opportunity for salvation as a PK missionary kid in the wilds of Uganda, as a Hasidic Jew from New York. His mercy extends to whosoever will, and there is no favoritism.

I am puzzled by your question “am I a Calvinist?” Moral freedom is one of my staunchly defended baselines. SO, no, not a Calvinist. No Tulips at my house.

Maybe I can come across that way because I tend to focus on the difficult questions of reconciling an all-powerful God with all the evil in the world, while holding to the difficult passages that emphasize God’s sovereignty. In that, one must acknowledge and embrace God’s unchangeable attributes, and the supremacy of His divine will.

I would say I think “belief” is a more demanding claim than the average Arminian. We should acknowledge that our beliefs govern what we do. It’s not some vague notion of malleable assent. If we find ourselves sinning a lot, we need to review our beliefs, and choose better ones.

As to Bible software, I don’t use an app. I know, dead dinosaur walking. I use Biblegateway online for research and occasionally my NIV bible for reading when Im feeling nostalgic. But mostly the iPad/search bar/google and memory, which ain’t what it used to be.

Your brother

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My apologies again, brother, I wonder how many times I’ll find myself apologizing?
I would say if we are finding ourselves sinning a lot we should question our salvation, correct?

As here…

2 Corinthians 13:5 – “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?”

ἐξετάζετε (exetazete, present active imperative, 2nd plural) – examine, test, scrutinize continually.

ἐν πίστει ἐστε (en pistei este, present indicative, 2nd plural) – whether ye are in faith, showing ongoing relationship and discernment.

This verse directly links self-examination with confirmation of Christ’s indwelling.

And here…

Romans 8:9 – “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”

ἐν πνεύματι (en pneumati, dative singular neuter) – in the Spirit, indicating sphere or mode of life.

κατοικεῖ (katoikei, present active indicative, 3rd singular) – dwelleth, ongoing indwelling of the Spirit.

οὐκ ἔχει (ouk echei, present active indicative, 3rd singular) – if any man hath not, indicating absence of Spirit defines non-belonging.

οὐκ ἔστιν (ouk estin, present active indicative, 3rd singular) – he is none of Christ, clear statement of identity linked to the Spirit.

Romans 8:14 – “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”

πνεύματι Θεοῦ ὁδηγοῦνται (pneumati Theou hodēgountai, present passive indicative, 3rd plural) – led by the Spirit, continuous divine guidance.

υἱοὶ Θεοῦ ἐστίν (huioi Theou estin, present active indicative, 3rd plural) – they are sons of God, showing belonging is defined by Spirit-led life.

Galatians 5:16 – “This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.”

περιπατεῖτε ἐν πνεύματι (peripateite en pneumati, present active imperative, 2nd plural) – walk in the Spirit, ongoing practice, evidence of alignment with Christ.
So…
Belonging to Christ is inseparably tied to the presence and guidance of the Holy Spirit. Those without the Spirit are explicitly stated as none of Christ, while those led by the Spirit are the sons of God, walking in obedience and producing Spirit-fruit.

Many Calvinists DON’T believe in in “freewill” since we are “dead”

I concur with your post and thank you for the oppertunity to share with you some “heavenly manna”

STEP bible is exellent.

J.

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Right on brother! This is the good food!

And PS @johann no need at all for apology! I appreciate every question and challenge!

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Romans 11:32 is built upon the whole set of arguments which St. Paul has been presenting since the beginning of the Epistle. The universality of sin and judgment (all have sinned) and the universality of grace, Christ died for all sinners.