🤔 What if...? - A few hypotheical questions

[d-o.o-b]

Continuing the discussion from Do aliens exsist?:

Let’s start off with a quote of the post that inspired this thread.

Not the Question, Just a Quote:

@Bruce_Leiter

I don’t think that God created other civilizations; but if he did, they probably had their own Adam and Eve who fell into sin too.

What an interesting concept you've posed here Bruce. I like a good hypothetical question, and so I wonder...

The Questions:

• Would it bother you much if there were other civilizations and we were the only ones who had an Adam and Eve who fell into sin?

• What do you think that that other world would look like on the same timeline compared to ours?

Hmm…

[Bestill]

I didn’t read the other post so I just might be repeating someone else’s thought. The Bible was written for man and to reveal to mankind who the Author is. There’s no mention of other civilizations because they either don’t exist or because we have no need to know. There is another world though and we’re told quite a bit about that. That world is a spiritual world that exists along with this one and is all around us.

If I look at what the Bible has to say about evil spirits I learn quite a bit about them. What I’m told about them is for the purpose of standing in the victory Jesus won for us. They can change their appearance as with Satan masquerading as an angel of light. They can possess people and harass them. There is a hierarchy in their order led by Satan who was once an actual angel of light. They can put thoughts into people’s minds and make them think it was their own thought. That’s why we bring every thought to the obedience of Christ. They can bring sickness and death. They lie and don’t tell the truth, and mostly their goal is to deceive us.

What’s to say that all the alien talk we hear nowadays isn’t actually evil spirits? The Bible says there will be a great deception in the last days and perhaps this is it. Evil spirits masquerading as aliens to confuse mankind. I don’t really know, but I’m aware.

[d-o.o-b]

Some good and valid points there Bestill. Thank you. And I don’t doubt sigtings are of the Devil. But…

The reason I made this its own topic was to break away from alien topics. My intention was to focus on the hypothetical questions posed.

@d-o.o-b

• Would it bother you much if there were other civilizations and we were the only ones who had an Adam and Eve who fell into sin?
• What do you think that that other world would look like on the same timeline compared to ours?

Anything on those two hypotheticals?

[Bruce_Leiter]

Well, @d-o.o-b, I don’t like hypothetical questions. I prefer discussing the real truths of the Bible.

[Johann]

Well said brother @Bruce_Leiter .

J.

[Bestill]

It’s hard for me to think along the line of these questions. There’s nothing to go on, but I will try. If there was another race of aliens who didn’t have the same history as us and remained sinless because there was no original sin in their ancestors, then I guess there would also be no Jesus sent to redeem them. Not knowing anything else about them, I don’t know what their relationship with their Creator would be. Would it bother me? I don’t think so.

As to what that other world would look like, wow…I have no idea. Sorry Doob. I’d like to join you in this, but I lack the imagination.

[d-o.o-b]

@Bruce_Leiter, sorry to hear you feel it not worth discussing as it was your thought seed that was planted to grow it. Perhaps you will change your mind when you see where I’m going with it. Perhaps not. But you saying you don’t like hypotheticals is not true is it? You did actually pose a hypothetical by your statement I orignally quoted. So just say what you really mean.

@Bestill

There’s nothing to go on

Ahh, but there is something to go on Sister if you think about it. The Bible. We see what did happen.

Let me start with question #1:

@d-o.o-b

Would it bother you much if there were other civilizations and we were the only ones who had an Adam and Eve who fell into sin?

Would it bother me if we were the only world that chose sin? Yes. That would entail to me that we were the “weaker” ones. The weakest link. Sin entered in the moment Eve ate the Forbidden Fruit in Genesis 3:6.

If God created, say 100 varrious worlds, we would be the 1%. In those other worlds, assuming we all had the same start, with the same free will, what does that say about us as a whole? A lot. We, a perfect creation by a perfect God, were screwups from almost the start. By choice. A lot to ponder in that alone.

Now for question #2:

@d-o.o-b

What do you think that that other world would look like on the same timeline compared to ours?

I think this would need a two-fold reply. On one hand, would the world have still been a paradise, with no suffering and no war, no rain, no birth pains, no toiling in the fields? Most likely. Those came about because of the original sin. It is hard to imagine a different point than our “infancy” to have messed up in such a profound fashion.

The garden was planted by God in Eden, so would this have expanded with the population? Most likely. Genesis 2:24 hints at Gods “expansion plan” as I see it. I don’t think God would have neglected to expand it with us. As God brought his beasts and fowls before Adam for him (Adam) to name, the animals did not attack. Adam was not mauled when he said “I call this a Tiger, this a lion, this a…” The animals were at peace. I imagine they would still be so today. It sounds a lot like a paradise world of man and animal co-existance.

BUT, on the other hand, this sin was what brought Jesus to be born and die for us. Would that have been 99% unique to us? Was a visit from Jesus ever in the orignal plan, before sin? Perhaps some others would have eaten the fruit later as well, but in this hypotheical, sadly, we were first. In all actuallity, we did.

My conclusion: Speculation on Gods plans and outcomes of such is folly because we don’t know nor can we conceive the magnitude of Gods total plan… But still kind of fun to think about the what-ifs. Especially to someone still learning. I would hate to have a closed mind that thinks it knows it all. To be sealed off from further learning and above simple speculation. Especially since we were made with the abilty to think, ponder, dream and reason, with an endless capacity to learn. You can learn a lot by what someone has done just as much as by what they didn’t do or could have done.

Alas, this is all just one mans opinion… What is yours?

[Johann]

Nada, what you are doing is speculating outside the boundaries contained in Scriptures @d-o.o-b .

When someone speculates about life beyond what God has revealed, Scripture consistently redirects the discussion toward the limits of human knowledge, the sufficiency of divine revelation, and the centrality of Christ in creation and redemption…

First, the epistemological boundary, what God has revealed versus what remains hidden:

~Deuteronomy 29:29 establishes a hard distinction between “secret things” (הַנִּסְתָּרֹת) and “revealed things” (הַנִּגְלֹת), placing speculative cosmology (e.g., extraterrestrial life) in the former category unless disclosed by God, the verse functions as a canonical limiter on theological speculation.

Second, the limitation of human inquiry into the created order:
~Job 38:4–7 situates man outside the founding of the cosmos, rhetorically excluding human authority in cosmic speculation, the divine interrogation (“Where were you…?”) dismantles epistemic overreach.

~Ecclesiastes 3:11 affirms that God has placed eternity in man’s heart, yet without granting exhaustive comprehension (לֹא־יִמְצָא), reinforcing bounded cognition.

Third, the sufficiency of Scripture for knowledge pertaining to life and godliness:

~2 Timothy 3:16–17 defines the scope of inspired revelation as sufficient (ἄρτιος, ἐξηρτισμένος) for equipping the man of God, implicitly excluding speculative doctrines (such as extraterrestrial anthropology) as unnecessary for faith and practice.

~2 Peter 1:3 similarly grounds sufficiency in divine provision (δεδωρημένης), “all things that pertain to life and godliness,” again closing the door on speculative additions.

Fourth, the unique Christological focus of creation and redemption:

~Colossians 1:16–17 asserts that all things (τὰ πάντα), visible and invisible, are created through and for Christ, with no textual indication of parallel redemptive histories elsewhere, this centralizes Christ as the singular telos of creation.

~Hebrews 1:2–3 affirms the Son as the one “through whom also he created the world(s)” (αἰῶνας), yet immediately narrows the redemptive focus to His atoning work and exaltation, no extension to other rational species is mentioned.

~John 3:16^[1]-κόσμος here functions within a redemptive-historical framework centered on humanity, not speculative extraterrestrial beings.

Fifth, warnings against speculative or ungrounded teaching.

~1 Timothy 1:4 warns against “myths and endless genealogies” (μύθοις καὶ γενεαλογίαις ἀπεράντοις), which promote speculation (ἐκζητήσεις) rather than stewardship from God; the principle applies analogically to modern speculative cosmologies.

~Colossians 2:18 cautions against those “puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind,” intruding into things not seen (ἃ ἑόρακεν ἐμβατεύων), a striking conceptual parallel to unverifiable cosmic claims.

Sixth, the created order as sufficient revelation of God’s power, not a platform for speculative life-forms:

~Romans 1:20 teaches that creation reveals God’s eternal power and divine nature, rendering man accountable, not curious about extraterrestrial civilizations.

~Psalm 19:1–4 presents the heavens as declarative (מְסַפְּרִים) of God’s glory, not as populated realms of other moral agents.

Seventh, the final theological constraint, one redemptive history centered in the cross and resurrection.

~Hebrews 9:26 affirms that Christ “appeared once for all…to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself,” a singular, non-repeatable atonement.
~Acts 4:12 restricts salvation to one name under heaven given among men, reinforcing a unified redemptive economy.

So to tie the “knotty hypotheticals” for you… Scripture does not directly address extraterrestrial life, but it does systematically restrict speculative inquiry by (1) delimiting revelation, (2) emphasizing human epistemic limits, and (3) concentrating all creation and redemption in the person and finished work of Christ, crucified and risen, thereby rendering such speculation theologically unnecessary and methodologically unwarranted.

You want the links?

J.

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1. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. - ESV ↩︎

[Edward429451]

@Bruce_Leiter

I don’t think that God created other civilizations; but if he did, they probably had their own Adam and Eve who fell into sin too.

God has created a huge civilization in heaven, complete with many other beings. All sorts of Angels. among other things. But in the classic sense of “Aliens” from a different world and star system I don’t know for sure but I do know one thing. (This might be the big lie). Aliens are all Demonic.

In Genesis 6 it lays it all out. The fallen Angels disrobed from their spiritual bodies and began having sex with women and the women bear children to them. The children were hybrids, 1/2 Angel and 1/2 Human. These were giants for the most part and had supernatural power. Satan was trying to corrupt the gene pool so that the coming Messiah could not be born.

So God sent a worldwide flood to kill all of the hybrid children of angels and women. They called them Nephilim. The Nephilim are non redeemable by the Lord, because they are hybrids and not in God’s plan. So all of the Nephilim died in the flood and the spirits from the Nephilim do not go to heaven and must wander the earth in dry places. Disembodied Nephilim spirits are where all the demons came from that Jesus was casting out in the NT. They are the spirits of the condemned Nephilim. Without a body they are almost powerless, but when they possess a body then they have great strength. God punished the Nephilim so severely that they don’t want to take a chance going out of line with women in fear of being punished like some others were.

But it also says that the Nephilim was in the land and also after that…And in the book of Enoch it gives details about it. So there was many Nephilim spirits with no bodies, and we arent allowed to get with women anymore, so how shall we get bodies to possess? And (I surmise) that they made clone bodies on Alien ships. So we had many UFO sightings and, mutilated cattle. FYI, cattle blood is almost identical to human blood. The cow carcasses always have the blood drained and certain organ surgically removed. They are gathering genetic material to make bodies with that they can inhabit. Think of the history of Alien pictures. Long ago, it was pictures of the Greys. 1st edition bodies, not very good but they worked for their purpose. Then they learned more and new “species” of Aliens made the rounds, the Reptilians, the Nordics(?) tall white guys. They’re getting better it. But remember that they are Demonic spirits inhabiting all Aliens bodies. And if we have authority in Jesus name over the spirits, then we also have authority over them when they stand in an Alien body. Come to think of it, I never heard of a Christian being abducted by Aliens. Too big of a risk for them! Lol.

I heard a man’s testimony that he was in the woods somewhere and all of a sudden he seen a bigfoot. And when it saw him, it started towards him at a fast walk, and he got real scared and said, in the name of Jesus and right then it turned back again. So Bigfoot is probably a modern day Nephilim also.

That’s my take on it…

That said, the Lord gave us authority over all evil spirits in Jesus name.