Were you addressing or discussing someone in general? I agree with what you said, but I have no idea why you said it. Also, you didn’t answer my question. I really am honestly asking you. If you do not believe the Bible, what Jesus taught, and what God says, then how are you certain of God? Where do you get the impression, information, that you hold as truth? What does God want you to know? Do you base it on feelings?
Peter
I was addressing the future- Those who will read everything we wrote and decide for themselves what they should believe. They will see the nature of what I wrote, and the nature of what you wrote, and the nature of what everyone else wrote who contributed a thought in this string, and make a clear discerning decision on the nature of these things. They can research every bit of it, debate and reason and weigh what True Faith looks like. So that their Faith is based on the right things.
When you stand in the foot print of a giant, it only appears to be a hole. But when you get a high enough vantage point, you begin to see that it was indeed a foot print. The foot print of something you didn’t believe existed before you saw the evidence. The evidence of which you originally stood in while having no idea that you were there.
Some minds can see what other minds can’t. Until something comes along to open their eyes and the capaciry to see what they have no capacity to fathom.
But there are those who shackle the mind, to bind the man and hide his eyes so he is never able to see there is more than he knows or understands. And to prevent him from pursuing it and being free.
This is a twisting of my words.
One does not necessarily equal the other. But the future can decide that too.
Christ Himself gives us all we need to differentiate lie from Truth, weeds from Wheat. In the Gospels. There is a passage that acts as a blade that swings true, revealing God’s Will from all those who would lead astray. It is a compass, a lamp in the darkness. And by that lamp I read the Word and I can see clearly all that I need to see. And though many would warp the truth with their conditions, interpretations, and redirections, this passage reveals them as wolves in sheeps clothing. And once you see what I see, you will never stop seeing it again.
Do you know what passage I am referring to, little ones? If you can figure it out, the Sword of Christ is yours. Use it wisely. Not to destroy Faith. But to restore it in God where it belongs.
Did you come from heaven? Jesus states only the one that came from heaven will return to heaven.
When you post on a public forum, you are speaking to whoever reads it and responding is what forums are for.
You are creating a definition of love that the Scripture does not permit. Biblical love is not an ambiguous acceptance or a suspension of judgment. Jesus said, “If ye love me, keep my commandments” ~John 14:15. John states bluntly, “This is the love of God, that we keep his commandments” ~1 John 5:3. Love is determined by obedience to God, not feelings or inclusivity or refusal to hold one’s fruit up to the light and make a sound judgment.
Scripture never says that we determine the eternal state of souls. But it does command us to discern profession by fruit. “Ye shall know them by their fruits” ~Matthew 7:16. “He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar” ~1 John 2:4. That is not self-righteousness. That is God’s معيار, not mine.
Calling people to repentance, truth and obedience is not the religion of self. It is obedience to Christ. Love that takes away truth is not love at all. It is deception.
We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. But whoever loves God is known by God.
And John 15 says this,
9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. **10 **If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. **11 **I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. **12 **My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. **13 **Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. **14 **You are my friends if you do what I command. **15 **I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. **16 **You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. **17 **This is my command: Love each other.
Which one of us is actually picking and choosing what Scripture to follow and which to abandon? Which one of us is really redefining the LOVE Christ has called us to Know and to express to the World?
That, dear little ones, is for you to decide. The Future of the Christian Faith will be determined by you and the path you choose going forward.
They have walked the same path for 2000 years. Is the world better for it? Look at history. Has Christ and His Teachings truly been represented? Or is there a flaw in someone’s thinking? Is there a thread loose in someone’s understanding? Now is the time to decide this while everything is in flux. Which path do you choose?
Unless what drives you is your own sinful nature to attack your brother or your neighbors.
Unless you have a log in your eye and have no clear understanding of what constitues a sin and what does not. And I truly don’t think you have the whereabouts to decide that, even if you do have a Bible. Only God does. And the Bible says not to take the Lord’s Name in vain.
Deuteronomy 18:20-22: A prophet who speaks presumptuously in God’s name, or speaks for other gods, must die; if the word doesn’t come to pass, God hasn’t spoken it.
Jeremiah 14:14: God declares He has not sent these prophets who prophesy lies in His name, promising they will perish by sword and famine.
Jeremiah 23:30-32: God is “against” prophets who steal His words from one another, speaking visions from their own minds, not His mouth, and who bring ruin.
If God does not guide it, you are better off not doing it.
Nope. I would love you to share, unless you do not feel it will stand examination.
Peter
Wait, if you are using John 18:9-15 to excuse sin? My friend, you are walking a REALLY fine line. I really hope I am misinterpreting your words. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I really, really want to be wrong here.
It sounds like you are trying to say that we should love everyone, regardless of their life choices, lifestyle, or whether they’ve committed sins or not. Let them be who they are and just live and let live. Are you attempting to use this passage in John for this? This is what Jesus is telling us to love, brothers and sisters in Christ? Disciples’ and our relation to each other?
This does not tell us that we can excuse sin out of a pure and holy love. God never does. Jesus never does. You seem to be saying, again, please tell me I’m wrong, that we are to love anyone for any reason if they say the name Jesus? That we have to accept and excuse them and their sins because love is better than offending someone by pointing out the truth? This is a slippery slope, to say the least. This is borderline twisting scripture to willfully excuse and accept sin.
We are absolutely called to judge. But to judge rightly.
“Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” John 7:24
We should be kind and let people know that they are in error and that there is a better way.
“Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!” 1 Corinthians 6:2-3
True compassion is pointing out that people are blind and deaf, and need a Saviour who will save them from an everlasting fire they are walking toward.
Peter
I don’t know what you are talking about. My posts are pretty clear while yours appear way in left field.
And I think you have confused the act of confronting people with the sinful act of judging them. These are two different actions. It looks to me that you are validating your use of holding others in judgement and not actually calling people to repent. More to the point, you only do this behavior for a amall group of people and not all sinners which proves your bias and judgement over them.
In the past I have referenced the activites done under the guise of confronting sin and explained how they are not Christlike. I have shown how its done with bias for some sins and not others. And you still have yet to counter those points I have made. So it appears your defense of your approach is defenseless and not of God.
But it is difficult for sinners to take responsibility without Christ. I encourage you to pray for the wiadom necessary to understand what I am showing you so you can change course before the consequences carch up with you.
Try explaining to me how screaming at people through blowhorns while thrusting pickit signs in the air is a proper way to confront people with sin? How this behavior is Christlike.
Explain to me how denying medical aid to sinners is proper and Christlike?
The fact is, you cannot justify it or yourselves when you behave this way. And God will not bless it in the long run. Christ will confront you someday and say, as Scripture reveals, “When you did these things to others you also did them to me.” And, “Away from me. I never knew you.”
No, I understand exactly what you are trying to convey, and sorry, it’s not biblical. If I were to say, “Tillman, don’t do that. something bad might happen.” How is it that you would be able to stop what it is and know what that bad thing is? I use the Word of God. I am specific.
The point is, as a child of God, we are obligated to do this; however, we are not responsible for their decision. Turn to Ezekiel 3. Start at verse 18
“If I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.
But if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, or from his wicked way, he shall die for his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul.” Ezekiel: 3:18-19
We, as children of God, are like a royal priesthood. We are obligated to share the Gospel. To teach people that there is a better way. Point them to, and better yet, show them through our actions that Jesus is the only Way, Truth, and Life.
If they accept it, great. If not, then it is between them and God. However, they now have no excuse.
I’m not sure what you are having difficulty understanding. Care to elaborate?
Peter
No matter what you write, the future will read all of these posts collectively and see that what I am saying is true and right, fair and just, logical and Godly and goes unanswered while you continue to circulate different Scriptures to justify sinful conduct, Scriptures that do not justify the behavior I am confronting here today. You can ignore my points, go around them with false accusations, but they will see the truth. And God knows it.
Well, care to be specific? Sorry, following Scripture never justifies sin. Care to bring a receipt?
Peter
Try explaining to me how screaming at people through blowhorns while thrusting pickit signs in the air is a proper way to confront people with sin? How this behavior is Christlike.
Explain to me how denying medical aid to sinners is proper and Christlike?
When did you EVER see me do any of these things? When did you hear me say ANY of these things?
Peter
We are not talking about you. We are talking about the Church at large. The Church which does these things in thr Name of God’s Will.
Uh, ok. Which demoniation? Or which church are we talking about?
Peter
Oh, please. You know exactly what I am taliing about. And there is no excuse for it. Every time you have hammered the point of you having the right to hold people accountable this is what we were talking about.
You know, sorry if this is a difficult concept, but I do not live in your head. Therefore, unless you are willing to share, I can’t help ya. As far as
Nope. I teach, guide, educate, sow the seed. God holds the person accountable. If I tell John Doe, “Did you know God says this about that? Then we move on. I may never see John again, yet now he knows the truth. If he believes, and receives, or corrects, or rejects, it is totally up to him, and between him and God.
Peter
I have been forbidden by the Admin on this site to speak of the subject ever again where these behaviors take place. But I am sure anyone can google the conduct and find the images and articles online that show ita occurance. They are pretty damning. Westboro is a prime example of a church. But there are many churches doing such things
Again, nothing you have posted counters anything I have written, or excuses the behaviors done in Christ’s Name.