Does the Bible Teach That Communion Brings Healing?

Samuel_23… my man, you came in swinging with footnotes like you’re auditioning for the Patrologia fan club. Respect for the heavy lifting, but let’s not drown in Greek lexicons and miss the plain punch of Scripture. You’re right about one thing: the early Fathers didn’t treat the Supper like a snack break. They trembled before it. But reverence isn’t the same as re-crucifying Christ every Sunday.

Paul’s warning in 1 Corinthians 11 isn’t “handle the magic elements carefully or they’ll zap you with healing or judgment.” It’s about discerning the body of Christ… the church… so you don’t mock the unity of the saints by stuffing yourself while your brother starves. The sickness and death he mentions? Discipline for hypocrisy, not proof that the bread carries medicinal side effects. If communion were a divine health tonic, the Corinthians would’ve been the fittest crew in Corinth instead of the most chastised.

And that “once-for-all” sacrifice in Hebrews 10… it doesn’t need to be re-presented like a Netflix rerun. It’s finished. Done. Christ sat down at the right hand of God, not because He was tired, but because the work was complete. To load the Table with sacrificial weight that Scripture doesn’t give it is to risk turning a memorial into a millstone.

Now, is the Supper empty ritual? No way. It’s covenant renewal, gospel proclamation, fellowship in Christ’s body and blood. But does it heal your arthritis or cure your flu? Show me the verse. Jesus healed with a word, with a touch, not with wafers and wine. By His wounds we are healed—yes, ultimately, eternally, and sometimes physically—but the cross, not the cup, is where the healing power lies.

So let’s eat and drink with awe. Let’s proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes. But let’s not sell the Supper as a spiritual pharmacy. It’s a feast of remembrance, not a prescription refill.

Stay grounded. Stay sharp. Stay in the Word.

—Sincere Seeker. Scripturally savage. Here for the Truth.

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ILOVECHRIST… I appreciate your zeal, but let’s slow this train before we run it off the tracks into Rome. Conviction is good. But conviction without Scripture is just emotion in a collar. You say you’ve “fully embraced the real presence.” Okay… but what do you mean by real? Because the Bible speaks of presence, yes… but not in the cannibalistic sense Rome or Constantinople try to sell.

Paul calls it communion… participation in the body and blood of Christ (1 Cor. 10:16). That’s covenantal union, spiritual fellowship, a gospel reality pressed into bread and wine. But notice: he never tells us the elements mutate, nor that the cross gets dragged down from heaven for an encore performance. Hebrews won’t let you go there… Christ’s sacrifice is once for all, never repeated, never re-presented. To claim otherwise is to say “It is finished” wasn’t really finished.

The Fathers? Yes, they spoke with fire about the Table. But half their rhetoric was about guarding against Docetism and irreverence, not handing us a chemistry lesson on molecular transformation. They used “figure,” “type,” “mystery,” and “symbol” in ways richer than our flat modern usage, but still anchored in Scripture’s own categories of remembrance and proclamation. Elevating mystery into metaphysics is how the church ended up bowing to a wafer instead of to Christ.

So here’s the question you need to wrestle with: is your new conviction rooted in the Word of God, or in the allure of tradition and impressive footnotes? Jesus said the Spirit gives life, the flesh is no help at all (John 6:63). That’s not an escape hatch from “eat my flesh”… it’s the interpretive key. Real presence? Absolutely. But it’s Christ Himself present by the Spirit, feeding His people by faith… not a mystical butcher shop hidden in the chalice.

Don’t trade the sufficiency of the cross for the shimmer of sacramental spectacle. The Table is holy, but it’s holy because it proclaims Christ crucified and risen… not because it pretends to put Him back on the plate.

Stay in the Book, not just the Fathers. Test all things. Hold fast to what is good.

—Sincere Seeker. Scripturally savage. Here for the Truth.

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Oh my brother…u came back :grinning_face:
I missed you soo much
Btw @ILOVECHRIST brother left the forum for some days.
He is exploring Catholic and Orthodox Traditions
His friends are going to join i dont know how much, but he told
(Told me)

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@ILOVECHRIST @SincereSeeker

  1. Clarifying the Real Presence: Not Re-Crucifixion
    The suggestion that the Catholic/Orthodox view implies re-crucifying Christ every Sunday misrepresents the doctrine. Neither Tradition teaches a new sacrifice, rather the Eucharist is the re-presentation (not repetition) of Christ’s once-for-all all sacrifice. The Greek term “anamnesis” in Luke 22:19 and 1 Cor 11:24-25 isn’t mere mental recollection but a liturgical act making the past event efficaciously present. In the LXX, “anamnesis” is used for cultic memorials like Numbers 10:10, where sacrifices actively invoke God’s covenantal presence. The Orthodox Divine Liturgy understand Eucharist as entering into the eternal, heavenly offering of Christ (Heb 9:24-26), not adding to it. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 1366–1367) clarifies: “The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross… not another sacrifice.” Similarly, Orthodox theologian Alexander Schmemann in The Eucharist (SVS Press, 1987)
  2. 1 Cor 11:27-30
    You say that “discerning the body” refers to the church… sickness/death is discipline for hypocrisy etc
    Greek Exegesis:
    The phrase “discerning the body” (diakrinōn to sōma) uses “to sōma” (the body) without qualifiers, echoing “touto estin to sōma mou” (this is my body) in 11:24. Paul’s parallel in 1 Corinthians 10:16 (“the bread which we break, is it not a participation [koinōnia] in the body of Christ?”) explicitly ties “the body” to the Eucharistic bread, not just the church. While “sōma” can mean the church (1 Corinthians 12:12–27), the context of 11:23–29 is the Lord’s Supper itself—Christ’s body given (v. 24), not the community. The verb “diakrinō” (to discern/judge) implies recognising the sacred reality of the elements, not just social unity. If it were only about the church, why mention “blood” separately (11:27)? The dual reference (body and blood) points to the sacramental elements, as in John 6:54–56. See Daniel B. Wallace’s Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics (Zondervan, 1996) on predicate nominatives in Eucharistic texts.
    Sickness and Death:
    You interpret this as discipline for hypocrisy. But Paul’s language- “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord” uese “enochos” (guilty of profaning a sacred thing) as in profaning a temple (refer to Mark 14:58). The consequence mirrors Old Testament judgments for mishandling sacred objects (Uzzah’s death in 2 Sam 6:6-7; Leviticus 22:9). If the Eucharist were merely symbolic why such grave consequences? The realist view holds that unworthy reception profanes Christ’s actual presence, explaining the severity.
    St. John Chrysostom (Homilies on 1 Corinthians 28.1–2) links the judgment to profaning Christ’s body/blood in the Eucharist, not just church disunity: “He that eats unworthily, eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body… For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.” He compares it to touching the Ark unworthily.
  3. Healing and the Eucharist
    Catholic/Orthodox theology doesn’t claim the Eucharist is a medical cure, but it is a medicine of immortality.
    John 6:54-58 ties eating Christ’s flesh to “eternal life” and “abiding” in Him. he verb “trōgein” (to chew/gnaw) emphasizes physical consumptions suggesting a real, transformative encounter. While the primary effect is spiritual (union with Christ), the Eucharist’s grace can extend to physical healing, as God’s grace isn’t limited. Acts 2:42’s “breaking of bread” correlates with the Church’s vitalit,y and Luke 24:30-31 shows Christ’s presence in the act of transforming disciples’ perception.
    gnatius (Letter to the Ephesians 20.2, ca. A.D. 107) calls the Eucharist “the medicine of immortality [pharmakon athanasias], and the antidote to prevent us from dying, but [which causes] that we should live forever in Jesus Christ.” This isn’t about curing flu but about sacramental grace uniting us to Christ’s resurrected life.
    The Eucharist isn’t a prescription refill but the source and summit of Christian life (CCC 1324), imparting sanctifying grace. Orthodoxy sees it as theosis—divinization through participation in Christ (2 Peter 1:4). Healing stories (e.g., St. Seraphim of Sarov’s accounts in Orthodox tradition) show occasional physical effects, but the focus is eternal life, not a health tonic.
  4. Hebrews 10 and Once-For-All
    You emphasize Hebews 10’s once-for-all sacrifice saying its finished…But Hebrews presents Christ’s sacrifice as eternal, not confined to a historical moment. Hebrews 7:25 says Christ “always lives to make intercession,” and 9:24 places Him in the heavenly sanctuary, offering Himself eternally. The Eucharist per Catholic (Trent, sessions 22) and Orthodox (Synod of Jerusalem, 1672) teaching, is participating in this eternal offering, not a new sacrifice. Malachi 1:11’s “pure offering” in every place points to a perpetual, global sacrifice, fulfilled in the Eucharist, not a one-time event recalled symbolically.
    To end,
    In 1 Cor 10:16, koinonia denotes a real, not symbolic, sharing in Christ’s body/blood, paralleling pagan sacrifices. LSJ Greek Lexicon defines koinonia as “communion, association, partnership” implying ontological union. St. Cyril of Alexandria (Commentary on John 4.2, on John 6) insists the Eucharist imparts Christ’s life-giving flesh.
    You’re right that the cross, not the cup, is the source of healing (Isaiah 53:5; 1 Peter 2:24). But the Eucharist is Christ Himself, per John 6:55 (“my flesh is true food”). It’s not about arthritis cures but union with the crucified and risen Lord, whose grace can heal body and soul as He wills.
    This is the faith of the Apostles. This is the faith of the Fathers. This is the Orthodox faith.
    Peace
    Sam

Problem is-

Total Number of Sui Iuris Catholic Churches

There are 24 sui iuris Catholic churches in full communion with Rome:

One is the Latin Church, often referred to as the Roman Catholic Church.

Twenty-three are Eastern Catholic Churches, each with its own liturgical tradition and governance.

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J.

wait a sec, wrong thread
Anyways I saw the video brother, thanks

Not really, many don’t know about these various churches under the umbrella of Rome and no, the “eucharist” does not bring about healing.

J.

No i meant the video I posted was about Theotokos

And nowhere in Scripture is she referred to as theotokos @Samuel_23

J.

@Johann this one is the “Eucharist” thread, come to What Do Catholics Really Believe About Mary—and Should Protestants Care? ONESTOP THREAD
We will discuss there :grinning_face: :saluting_face:

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Brother Samuel, thank you immensely. Today I feel I am truly on the right path, and I cannot express enough gratitude for your guidance. Your arguments have not only clarified these mysteries for me but have also helped me assist my friends. We’ve been discussing this in our group, and thanks to your insights, some of them are now questioning memorialism and considering the real presence more seriously. A couple of them are particularly eager to engage with you directly, should you have the time to discuss further.

I’ve experienced many ups and downs, and I think I need a short break.

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Thanks, it means a lot.
Any doubts, you can approach me, also, tell your friends to join and discuss with me. I will be happy to help them.
Take a break, brother
Peace
Sam

Samuel_23… you’ve stacked the shelves with Greek grammar, Fathers, Catechism, and liturgy, but let’s keep the spotlight on Scripture itself. Because if the Fathers and councils say something the Word does not, then we don’t bow to the Fathers… we bow to the Word.

You insist “anamnesis” means more than memory. Fair. It’s covenantal remembrance… Godward and weighty. But notice what Paul actually ties it to: proclaiming the Lord’s death until He comes. Not pulling heaven’s altar down onto our tables, not re-presenting Golgotha like a stage play, but bearing public witness to the once-for-all sacrifice that never needs repeating. Hebrews hammers that home: “by a single offering He has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified” (Hebrews 10:14). If the cross is eternal in effect, then no liturgy is required to drag it forward… it already stands over history as finished.

On “discerning the body”… yes, Paul uses “sōma” in different ways. But the surrounding verses are drenched in concern for how believers treat one another. That’s why he ties unworthy eating to divisions, to shaming the poor, to despising the church of God. The Corinthians weren’t struck down because they failed to grasp transubstantiation. They were judged because they turned a holy supper into a selfish feast. Paul isn’t warning against failing to spot Jesus hiding in the bread… he’s warning against despising Jesus by trampling His people.

As for sickness and death, remember Israel’s judgments fell not because the Ark had magical properties, but because God’s holiness was profaned. In Corinth, it wasn’t the elements themselves that killed, it was God’s judgment on hypocrisy. Symbols in Scripture can kill when profaned—not because they contain the essence of God, but because He defends His holiness.

And John 6? The very passage you lean on gives the key: “It is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.” If “trōgein” locked this down as literal chewing, then Christ contradicted Himself a sentence later. But He didn’t. He clarified. Real feeding is by faith in the crucified Son, not by gnawing on consecrated matter.

Brother, you can call the Eucharist “the medicine of immortality.” Scripture calls it proclamation, participation, fellowship, remembrance. All glorious, all holy, but all rooted in faith and Spirit, not in metaphysical change of substance. Don’t let ornate theology smother the plain fire of the gospel.

The Table points us back to Calvary, not to a mystical repetition of it. Christ is not on the altar… He is on the throne.

Stay grounded. Stay sharp. Stay in the Word.
—Sincere Seeker. Scripturally savage. Here for the Truth.

welcome brother @SincereSeeker
The Greek “anamnesis” (from anamimnēskō, to recall/cause to remember) isn’t passive recollection but a covenantal, liturgical act. In the Septuagint (LXX), “anamnesis” describes sacrifices that actively invoke God’s presence and covenant (Leviticus 24:7, Numbers 10:10). For example, Numbers 10:10 uses “anamnesis” for offerings “made by fire” to be a “memorial before your God.” This is Godward, not just human memory, aligning with the Passover’s eaten lamb (Exodus 12:8–14), which is called a “memorial” (LXX: mnēmosunon) yet requires real participation. Paul’s “proclaim the Lord’s death” (1 Corinthians 11:26) uses “katangellō” (to declare publicly), but this proclamation is tied to “do this in my remembrance” (11:24–25), suggesting the act itself makes Christ’s sacrifice present. The Eucharist isn’t a stage play but a participation in the eternal reality of Calvary, as Hebrews 9:24–26 shows Christ offering Himself in the heavenly sanctuary “once for all” yet eternally.
Hebrews 10:14: You cite “by a single offering He has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified” to argue the cross’s effect is eternal, needing no liturgical re-presentation. But this supports the Catholic/Orthodox view: Christ’s sacrifice is eternal, not confined to A.D. 33. Hebrews 7:25 says He “always lives to make intercession,” and 9:24 places Him in the heavenly temple. The Eucharist, per Malachi 1:11’s “pure offering” in every place, is the Church’s entry into this eternal sacrifice, not a new one. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 1366) clarifies: “It is not man that causes the things offered to become the Body and Blood of Christ, but he who was crucified for us, Christ himself.” Memorialism reduces “anamnesis” to mental recall, missing its sacrificial, covenantal weight in Scripture.
In 1 Corinthians 11:23–29, Paul’s focus is the Lord’s Supper: “This is my body” (11:24, touto estin to sōma mou) uses the same “sōma” as in “discerning the body” (11:29, diakrinōn to sōma). The parallel in 1 Corinthians 10:16—“The bread that we break, is it not a participation [koinōnia] in the body [sōma] of Christ?”—explicitly ties “sōma” to the Eucharistic bread. While “sōma” can mean the church (1 Corinthians 12:12–27), the immediate context of 11:23–29 is the Supper’s institution and consequences for unworthy eating, not general community ethics. The phrase “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord” (11:27, enochos… tou sōmatos kai tou haimatos) uses “enochos” (liable/guilty), a legal term for profaning something sacred (cf. Mark 14:64). This echoes Old Testament judgments for mishandling holy things (e.g., Leviticus 22:9, 2 Samuel 6:6–7). If Paul meant only the church, why mention “blood” separately? The dual reference points to the sacramental elements, as in John 6:55 (“my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink”).
You’re right that Paul condemns divisions (11:18–22), but his solution is “examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup” (11:28). This focuses on the act of eating/drinking, not just social behavior. The judgment for “not discerning the body” (11:29) implies failing to recognize the sacred reality of the elements, not just neglecting the poor. Both sins are linked: despising the church (by division) profanes the Eucharist, which unites the church (10:17, “one bread, one body”). Memorialism separates these, seeing only social sin, but Scripture holds both together.
1 Corinthians 11:30 (“For this reason many of you are weak and ill, and some have died”) follows “eats and drinks judgment on himself” (11:29). The Greek “krima” (judgment) and “enochos” (guilty, 11:27) indicate a divine penalty for sacrilege, not just social sin. This parallels Old Testament precedents: Uzzah’s death for touching the Ark (2 Samuel 6:6–7) or priests’ punishment for mishandling offerings (Leviticus 22:9) wasn’t about the objects’ “magic” but their consecration as God’s presence. Similarly, 1 Corinthians 10:18–21 compares the Eucharist to Israel’s altar and pagan sacrifices, where real participation (koinōnia) occurs. If the Eucharist were merely symbolic, why such severe consequences?
You’re right that God defends His holiness, not that the bread itself “kills.” But Scripture ties this holiness to the elements’ consecration (1 Corinthians 10:16, 11:24). Memorialism’s symbolic view struggles to explain why eating a mere sign incurs divine wrath, whereas the Real Presence aligns with the gravity of profaning Christ Himself.
John 6:51–58 escalates from “phagein” (to eat, general) to “trōgein” (to chew/gnaw, vv. 54–58), a vivid term for physical eating (Liddell-Scott-Jones Greek Lexicon, p. 1829). The crowd’s scandal (6:60–66) confirms they understood Jesus literally, not as urging faith alone. Verse 63 doesn’t contradict this: “flesh” (sarx) here refers to human understanding, not Christ’s Eucharistic flesh, contrasted with “Spirit” (pneuma) as divine life. Jesus’ words (“spirit and life”) enable faith to receive His real flesh, not negate it. The Bread of Life discourse ties to the Last Supper (John 13–17 omits the institution, as John 6 prefigures it). Raymond Brown’s The Gospel According to John (Anchor Bible, vol. 29A, 1966, pp. 272–275) notes “trōgein”’s realism prefigures the Eucharist.
You call the Eucharist “proclamation, participation, fellowship, remembrance”—all true, but Scripture and tradition see these as rooted in Christ’s real presence. 1 Corinthians 10:16’s “koinōnia” (participation) denotes real communion with Christ’s body/blood, not just fellowship among believers. The Fathers, like Justin Martyr (First Apology 66, ca. A.D. 150), affirm this: “The food which is blessed by the prayer of His word… is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh.” The Eucharist proclaims (1 Corinthians 11:26) because it makes Christ’s sacrifice present, per Malachi 1:11 and Hebrews 9:24.

Peace
Sam

Samuel_23… welcome received, brother. But let’s clear the table before it gets too crowded with lexicons and liturgies. You want to make “anamnesis” into a sacrificial engine that drags Calvary down into every Mass. Yet Paul’s own explanation is simple: “Do this in remembrance of me… for as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.” That is proclamation, not re-presentation. It’s covenant renewal rooted in memory and faith, not an altar call to heaven’s sanctuary.

Hebrews 9 and 10 don’t show Christ offering Himself over and over in eternity. They show one sacrifice, offered once for all, now eternally effective because the Son lives forever as Intercessor. His priesthood is ongoing, His cross is finished. To say the Eucharist “makes Calvary present” risks putting the church in charge of reactivating the cross, when Scripture says the cross already stands forever. We don’t make it present… it makes us presentable.

On “discerning the body”… context matters. Paul spends verses hammering them for divisions, selfishness, despising the church. He calls that failure “not discerning the body.” Yes, he uses “soma” for the bread in chapter 10, but he also uses it repeatedly for the church in chapter 12. And when he says “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord,” he’s drawing on covenantal language: to sin against God’s people is to sin against the Lord who bought them. Just as persecuting Christians was persecuting Christ (Acts 9:4), despising the body is despising Him.

The sickness and death at Corinth don’t prove the bread is Christ’s essence. They prove God defends His holiness against hypocrisy. Uzzah died not because the Ark had divine DNA, but because he treated as common what God had declared holy. The Eucharist is holy because of what it declares and whom it points to, not because its molecules change.

And John 6? You want to hang your case on “trōgein,” but you can’t stop at verse 58. In verse 63 Jesus explains: “The Spirit gives life, the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.” If He meant literal chewing, He contradicted Himself. But He didn’t. He clarified: faith in Him, not biting into Him, is the key. That’s why Peter responds not with a knife and fork, but with faith: “Lord, you have the words of eternal life.”

So yes… the Table is proclamation, participation, fellowship, remembrance. But the presence is spiritual, by faith, in the power of the Spirit. Not a re-crucifixion, not a metaphysical metamorphosis. Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father, not trapped in a chalice.

Honor the Supper. Proclaim His death. Feed by faith. But don’t confuse covenant remembrance with sacrificial repetition. The cross is enough.

Stay grounded. Stay sharp. Stay in the Word.
—Sincere Seeker. Scripturally savage. Here for the Truth.

In my faith and in my experience the communion received is both symbolic and a real emblem: it is at the same time a memorial like the Passover and a gift of spiritual communion. The power of healing from God is always available, but there are certain experiences that act as triggers of our faith: a strong moment of worship or a deep contemplation of Christ act to enable our faith to produce fruits: some of those fruits are healing.

In order to understand communion, it helps to see that Jesus was performing the Passover seder and gave it new meaning and an upgraded significance. If you have never done the seder, I strongly recommend it. It basically is the communion service with added details from the Hebrew story of moses overcoming pharaoh. My family did the seder last year and it was highly emotional: We dip our fingers in the cup and sprinkle wine on the table while proclaiming the 7 plagues and celebrate the passage through the red sea.

The bread and wine were already a part of the passover celebration that had been done in order to celebrate the escape from Egypt.

Furthermore, and I believe the real key to the mystery is that communion is part of the priestly order of Melchizedek, first shared with Abraham as a foretaste of the glory:

And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine: and he was [is] the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, 'Blessed be Abram to the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth, And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand'. And he gave him tithe from all.

— Genesis 14:18–20, King James Version

Johann asked these same questions brother, so can I post the links of the prev discussion so you can view it in your leisure time

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I want to say openly that I support you , not because you are Orthodox or Catholic, but because you are honest, patient, and truly care for your brothers in Christ. From the very first Zoom session we had, I could see that your heart was not driven by debate or by a desire to “win,” but by a sincere longing to help us understand the faith more deeply.

You have spent hours ,sometimes four or more, teaching me, answering every question with humility and clarity, explaining profound doctrines like the Real Presence in the Eucharist with such depth and love. That is why I have been less active on this forum lately: because I’ve been learning so much from those long, meaningful conversations with you.

Through your guidance, I’ve begun to see how many misconceptions we evangelicals have carried about the Catholic and Orthodox traditions. Now I’m studying not only the Eucharist but also baptism and many other elements of the apostolic faith. Even though my father, who is a pastor, was hesitant at first, he too is now learning, and I can see his heart slowly changing.

I got to know what has been happening in this forum from @ILOVECHRIST , and since we both studied in the same school and have been friends for a long time, I felt it necessary to join this forum again. I truly appreciate all that you have done.
Good night, take care, and continue this work, brother , I am with you.

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No, it will not bring healing. It would need to take place immediately after the temptation for it to hold more than symbolism. People listened directly to Christ for over 3 years, now someone is going to show up, and add a new wrinkle to what He said? A repeat of the garden? No thank you, fool me once…If I listened directly to Christ, and this subject never came up, I would not do it.