If this is where the website stands on the subject, then why are there any discussions on the topic? If you stand by your stance and can make no room to be wrong, there is nothing to discuss.
Feel free to continue on topic. I wont stop you again.
Exactly. And I tried. I really did. But only God can save. So now I leave it with God. That is all I can do
May the Lord intervine to save all those who are lost.. May the Holy Spirit clear from the heart all the obstacles to His Love.
“Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.”
(1 Corinthians 6:18-20, ESV)
Context
Flee Sexual Immorality
1Co 6:12 Everything is permissible (allowable and lawful) for me; but not all things are helpful (good for me to do, expedient and profitable when considered with other things). Everything is lawful for me, but I will not become the slave of anything or be brought under its power.
1Co 6:13 Food [is intended] for the stomach and the stomach for food, but God will finally end [the functions of] both and bring them to nothing. The body is not intended for sexual immorality, but [is intended] for the Lord, and the Lord [is intended] for the body [N1to save, sanctify, and raise it again].
1Co 6:14 And God both raised the Lord to life and will also raise us up by His power.
1Co 6:15 Do you not see and know that your bodies are members (bodily parts) of Christ (the Messiah)? Am I therefore to take the parts of Christ and make [them] parts of a prostitute? Never! Never!
1Co 6:16 Or do you not know and realize that when a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? The two, it is written, shall become one flesh. [Gen_2:24]
1Co 6:17 But the person who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with Him.
1Co 6:18 Shun immorality and all sexual looseness [flee from impurity in thought, word, or deed]. Any other sin which a man commits is one outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.
1Co 6:19 Do you not know that your body is the temple (the very sanctuary) of the Holy Spirit Who lives within you, Whom you have received [as a Gift] from God? You are not your own,
1Co 6:20 You were bought with a price [purchased with a N1preciousness and paid for, N2made His own]. So then, honor God and bring glory to Him in your body.
Scripture only, no commentary, especially on the “practicing ones”
A family without a commitment to the God of the Bible has no hope of stemming the tide of cultural onslaught. If we mix a little biblical truth, a little secular psychology, a little romance novel ideology, and a little eastern mysticism, we will get a deadly mixture of lies. Unfortunately, this is exactly what many Christian families do. We do marriage according to Dr. Phil, raise our children according to Dr. Spock, govern our sex lives according to Dr. Ruth, and only run to Dr. Jesus when things have gotten so bad we can’t find another doctor to help us.
Family Driven Faith
Voddie Baucham
J.
This has happened before and it will happen again. Great men rise, speaking of sinners and judgement. Give it a minute. And then they fall. The truth will come to light. The more the finger points out, the more likely fingers will point back. Because pointing out stands against the teachings of Christ. God will always bring the truth to light.
Whether it is abuse, neglect, scandel, infidelity, thievery, or harm. Time reveals all. One only need to look at history to see how it will play out. Time and time again
Christ alone is a sure foundation. Let no man come before God.
Short answer: Yes, Scripture is clear.
Satan works to deceive us, remember, he is the ancient serpent—beware. He can make sin appear normal, even good, but God’s Word gives us the true foundation to discern.
Today I was reading 2 Ezra 4:12-16 (LXX)—which corresponds to Ezra 4:12-16 in the NIV. Notice how the ancient serpent tricked King Artaxerxes (much like Pharaoh who ruled over Israel without knowing the goodness of God). The enemies of God’s people accused their obedience as rebellion and harmful to the king, though God Himself had established him.
This is the same old strategy of Satan: twisting truth so that righteousness looks like rebellion. We see the same ploy in Esther 3:8-9 and ultimately in the accusations against Christ Himself (John 19:12).
And this is exactly how Satan works today. He makes sins—such as homosexuality—appear harmless, normal, and even celebrated. But Scripture is consistent: what God calls sin remains sin, no matter how the world rebrands it. Just as the enemies of Israel tried to redefine obedience to God as rebellion, so our culture today tries to redefine sin as identity, love, or freedom.
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See the striking resemblance.
Esther 3:8
Then Haman said to King Xerxes, “There is a certain people dispersed among the peoples in all the provinces of your kingdom who keep themselves separate. Their customs are different from those of all other people, and they do not obey the king’s laws; it is not in the king’s best interest to tolerate them.
Esther 3:9
If it pleases the king, let a decree be issued to destroy them, and I will give ten thousand talents of silver to the king’s administrators for the royal treasury.
John 19:12
12. From then on, Pilate tried to set Jesus free, but the Jewish leaders kept shouting, “If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.”
So no need to sugarcoat, sin is sin
What is happening here, turning truth into evil.
Didache 4:3, 4:12 (Greek)
Greek: κρινεῖς δικαίως, οὐ λήμψῃ πρόσωπον ἐν ἐλέγχει παραπτώματος
Transliteration: krineis dikaiōs, ou lēmpsē prosōpon en elegchei paraptōmatos
Gloss: “You shall judge righteously, you shall not show favoritism in rebuking a transgression.”
Here the verbs are krineis (future indicative active, second person singular of krinō, to judge) and lēmpsē (future middle indicative of lambanō, to take, here “accept a face,” meaning show partiality). It commands righteous judgment, not avoidance of judgment.
The verb apechesthe (present middle imperative, second plural of apéchō, to abstain or hold oneself back) shows Ignatius urging judgment in the form of avoidance. He does not suggest neutrality, but a decisive separation.
Key verbs: elegchōn (present active participle of elenchō, to convict, reprove), oneidisthē (aorist passive subjunctive of oneidizō, to reproach), therapeuōn (present active participle, to heal). Clement frames rebuke as a form of healing, but requires integrity in the one judging.
Key verbs: arguere (present infinitive of arguo, to reprove, convict), dolere (present infinitive, to grieve), sanetur (present passive subjunctive of sano, to heal). Tertullian sees judgment and grief joined, leading to repentance.
The Fathers did indeed use words like krinō (judge), elenchō (reprove, convict), apéchō (separate), and arguo (reprove), all in imperatival or commanding force. They grounded judgment not in self-righteousness, but in righteousness, holiness, and the goal of healing the sinner.
Was about to share this with him since I “judge unrighteous condemnation” but will rather share this with you.
Good to hear from you @Samuel_23
J.
@Tillman, your analysis lacks Bible passages, where as the position that homosexual behavior is sinful does have a very good biblical foundation. How can you refute the following verses?
Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
Rom 1:27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Rom 1:28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
1Co_6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, (verse 10) nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1Ti 1:9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers,
1Ti 1:10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
1Ti 1:11 in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.
Thanks @Johann for your thorough reply, what you said is absolutely true.
You are absolutely right, @Bruce_Leiter @Bruce_Leiter I should use more Scripture.
Mathew 16:19
”I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Thank you, Lord, for this Authority. And I hereby receive it. I hereby claim the Authority given to me through my Lord, Christ Jesus, to bind or unbind.
And in the Name of Christ Jesus, I forgive all homosexuals, Sodomites, those who do not align with Scripture in how they live their lives.
I forgive all sexual deviants, whores, addicts, women who do not submit to their husbands, children who do not obey their parents, idolaters, adulterers, Pagans, people who worship all other religions and gods. I forgive all those who have tresspassed and continue to do so. And I forgive all murderers, traitors, and betrayers, those who sit in judgement who do not know what they are talking about and judge damnation upon others as if they are God thenselves.
I forgive them all of their sins, and I unbind them from the pits of hell and the influence of all demonic, manipulative, controlling, destructive influences and all doctrines that are false and do not come from God, that Divine Source of Wisdom, Peace, Love, and Life.
I free them to live their lives as they choose, even to make mistakes. I free them to decide for themselves what is right for them, right or wrong, with the capacity to rebel until they learn what is truly good and right, until they learn how to better love and their hearts change and transform and grow in the capacity to love. Until the debt of love is higher than all other forms of debt, including sin. Until they live in harmony with all Creation, and peace and justice truly prevail.
And I also forgive all angels, all demons, all who have become fallen and or lost, even Lucifer, even Satan himself. I forgive all of that which has fallen out of alignment with the Great Design.
I forgive all Christians who have failed to be the ambassadors of God’s Kingdom that they were called to be. I forgive all Republicans and Denocrats who have failed the American people in every possible way by allowing this Nation under God to be dismantled as it has become and dominated by outside forces. I forgive the techno elite who have manipulated and warped all people through their algorithms and subtle manipulations.
And I forgive myself.
I forgive them, us, the whole lot. And I release us from the weight of all this responsibility and consequence that leads this whole planet to self destruction, to an abortion.
I unlock the chains that bind us in sin, to our doom, to this path of death, to this dark fate, to repeat these same mistakes again and again with no rememberance and no way to awaken from this sleeping curse doomed to repeat again and again this planet’s slide into oblivion.
And I let them go. I release us all.
In the Name of Christ Jesus I pray, by His Blood, by that Authority.
And I pray that there will be those who come, who arise from the masses who will be called Hero and Heroin, Healer and Helper, Wise One and Wise Counselor. May this age recieve those who can guide all mankind out of this age of darkness. To restore life and balance on this planet. To help cleanse and clear the madness that has taken hold. And prepare the world for the return of Christ and a Unity in Creation that will never be broken again.
In the Name of Christ Jesus I pray.
Amen
Yes, @anon75384934, I forgive all of them too. When I forgive them, I realize that I have let go of my anger and judgment of them to God, who will judge them perfectly at the final judgment, for only he knows their hearts. I believe that it’s what Jesus was doing when he forgave his crucifiers. God bless you! Bruce Leiter the Writer. 
But do not underestimate the power that is granted to us through Christ to bind and unbind. We bind to protect ourselves from harmful spirits working now. And we unbind to free people now. Not at some future date.
We have the Authority to forgive now even unto judgement day. As Christ forgave. Even to effect the Law when the Law has become an obstacle to salvation.
There is no limit to forgiveness.
In fact this is part of God’s plan for salvation. That a third party intervine for the King. Parraelled in the story of David and Absalom. And as above so below- The fall of Absalom mirrors the fall of Lucifer. But God looks for some way to return from exile all those who are banished from Him.
Thr Law, Sin and Salvation together act as moves in a game of heavenly political chess to bypass the unmovable rocks that God has made, parraelled in the hardened hearts of those bound in legalism who must follow the Law to a letter and refuse to let others go from being under its control. And as Aeron said for Moses, because Moses spoke with a stutter, and as Moses was called to stand in for God who sent Moses with these words- the three in alignment together said- Let My People Go. But Pharoah refused so God had to make some weighty arguments in His insistance that His people be set free.
This is why all have sinned and fallen short. God levels the playing field on Earth and in the Heavenlies so that Forgiveness can be granted to all and none can claim exemption from need of salvation or proclaim to be better than anyone else, who might try to bring judgement upon another part of any other part of Creation. But now they cannot judge without risking to also exile themselves. As Christ shows when he says before the Adulterer and her attackers, let he without sin cast the first stone.
That is not just an act of God’s mercy and kindness amd Love in that instance alone . That is a legal power move God is using in the Divine Court for all times so his banished ones do not need to remain exiled forever.
In Matthew 16:19, Jesus is speaking directly to Peter after his confession that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. The promise of the “keys of the kingdom” and the authority to bind and loose is tied to Peter’s foundational apostolic role. This does not mean Peter alone had that authority forever, but that he, as representative of the apostolic band, was entrusted with opening the door of the gospel (Acts 2 for Jews, Acts 10 for Gentiles).
In Matthew 18:18, Jesus extends the language of binding and loosing to the gathered disciples in the context of church discipline. The plural verbs show the whole community is in view, not just Peter. The authority is about the church’s recognition of repentance or unrepentance and heaven’s agreement with that verdict.
In John 20:21–23, the risen Christ breathes on His disciples and says, “As the Father has sent Me, I also send you … if you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them.” The recipients here are again the apostolic band who were commissioned to bear authoritative witness to Christ.
So the recipients were first the apostles, given authority to proclaim, declare, and administer the gospel. That authority extends, through the gospel and church discipline, to the gathered church under Christ’s headship.
It was never a blanket grant of supernatural power to every believer to bind and unbind spirits at will.
Rather, it is about stewarding the message of the kingdom, which is the gospel of Christ crucified and risen.
J.
No, its definitely blanket Authority given to all believers who become mature enough in their faith to wield it. And I received it with complete gratitude. That is how I interpret it. That is what I am running with.
More over- John 14:12 says, Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
And that was what Christ did. Forgive, heal, bind, and unbind. These were the works of Christ.
Now can we please get back to talking about the gays? How much we love and forgive them? And in what ways we can show them the Love of Christ without becoming a hinderance to prevent them from coming to Christ? Or without become a hindrance to any sinner, for that matter.
I served in ministry among gays and prostitutes for many years, and I can honestly say I do not hate them. In fact, many of them have been friends who stick closer than a brother.
J.
Thank you for sharing something that shows compassion and depth.
Friends and brothers;
OK, This is going to sound weird; a bit unorthodox and a lot countercultural. I am taking a great risk posting this but I thought it might be edifying, and something to consider. Keep an open mind please. Here is my thesis:
I don’t believe homosexuality exists. (gasp). Here’s why.
Sex, by definition is the union of two contrasting bodies; much like a nut and a bolt, or a key and a lock. In humans it is the process by which a specifically male and a specifically female gamete fuse to form a zygote. Two male, or two female gametes will not fuse, like two nuts do not make a fastener, or two keys do not make a security device. So, by a technical definition, sex requires counterparts, so homosexuality is an oxymoron.
Now let me preempt your tingling fingers, itching to define sexuality to me in social terms by telling you, I understand how the word is used, and what is meant by it in modernity. I am not living under any rock. I do believe strongly in the regular occurrence of love between two persons of the same sex, this is evident in scripture in many places. So, I can easily accept two people of the same sex loving each other, and developing very strong emotional bonds for each other. (1 Samuel 18:1) I personally love many people of my same sex, some much more than others, to be sure. If two people of the same sex love each other, and decide to live together, that does not define their sexuality, but something completely different.
The danger for those two people comes when they feel compelled to express that love through erotic expressions. Danger, I say, because that is where the personal disintegration takes place, and both are placed in personal peril. Peril, I say, because they are at that point exchanging the natural use of the opposite sex for something God says will destroy them. God calls it “sexual immorality” because it is immoral to participate in the destruction of another human being. If they understand this, because God told them so, they are no longer acting in love (agape) because they are no longer pursuing the best interest of the other person. I assume they must be pursuing their own desires, and exploiting the other person for their own pleasure. (this is an assumption, because I have no first-hand experience with it).
We therefore do not “hate” those who practice immorality, but we warn them against self-destruction, and their participation in the destruction of another. We warn them similarly to how we would warn someone we noticed standing in a burning building. Not motivated by hate for their actions, but motivated by God’s love for one who we notice is in peril.
This is how I confront any who I am able to warn about participation in anything that separates them from their creator.
Therefore, from my point of view, homosexuality is an impossibility; homoerotica is a common cultural expression that causes personal destruction. A social peril we should warn others of.
OK, I have my armor on. Let me have it. I know it’s coming.
Peace in The Gospel of Our Lord Jesus the Christ.
KP
As I have my panoplia on, an Imperative, and wholeheartedly concur with you here @KPuff
“The culture doesn’t dictate truth, the gospel dictates truth.” — Voddie Baucham
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This aligns with Baucham’s broader critique that contemporary culture often displaces biblical authority as the primary lens through which people interpret reality.
J.
I want to explain why this topic matters to me. When the subject of homosexuality comes up, it tends to be with animosity toward a faceless group of individuals who are called predators, sexual deviants, and pedophiles. This group is called a threat to family values.
But these people are not faceless strangers. They are actually members of each and every one of your families. Some of you have children, nieces and nephews, aunts and uncles, cousins and so on who are secretly gay or out. It is estimated that 1 in 10 people are gay, based on research that has been done. 10 percent of the population.
I had two cousins who were gay on my mother’s side. That is just what I know of.
When I was in college, a Christian University, I joined a men’s group where at least two fellow students prayed for help with their struggles with homosexuality. Both of them eventually gave up and just accepted it. I also met a preacher’s son who did not hide the fact that he was gay.
Some years later I was part of a healing ministry that dealt with healing brokeness, addiction, recovery from abuse. The man who lead it was an ex gay Christian. I crossed paths with him ten years later and he had given up his struggle with it and embraced it.
Do you have any idea the type of hopelessness these people go through as they struggle with their sexuality? The suicide rate? What goes through their heads when they realize they have to forsake a fundamental part of their existence to be right with God? And I am not talking about adults. I am talking about young people. Many homosexuals begin to realize what they are in their teens. Some claim younger.
They struggle with not feeling safe to be themselves in their churches and at home. Depending on the home and the animosity expressed toward homosexuals. Some run away from home. Some are kicked out.
And either way, the culture out there that greets them- when you give up on your kids, there is no telling what you have given them over to.
There are some really decent honosexuals out their who believe in God. They go to churches that welcome them. And they try to follow God. They try to live moral lives as best they can. They try to have committed relationships. But there is also a culture of darkness that despises Christ and God and want all religions to burn. The Church helped to create that hate.
My home town actually did a gay pride. It took me by surprise. But it wasn’t for adults. It was for kids. Who came to the event with their families. It was a small little deal in the town park.
A local church stood on the outskirts with a blow horn telling them they were all going to burn in hell. And they sent a teen with a video camera to film everything. These were kids. And it was legal.
Would you be okay with your kids being filmed by a stranger? Did this church win any one over for Jesus? Sure, they told them they were sinners. They got that point across. But do you think anyone who saw what this church did is going to think about joining a Christian church?
How many people have to die before you stop adding pain to someone elses struggle?
More often than not, people are doing the best they can in a losing fight. And again, I am talking about your own families. Your own children.
You aren’t going to magically change them. The fear of hell isn’t going to change them. Beating them does not work. Sports does not work. Therapy doesn’t work. There is no vaccine, no cure. No science can explain why ten percent of the population are different let alone how to prevent it
Can you come to a place where you can accept them, flaws and all? Even if they are hopeless sinners. and will never be anything else? Even if they choose to take a partner and be with that person.
If you forsake them, and this world gets them, they may never again turn to God or Christ. You may lose whatever hope you had in inspiring Christ like values in their heart
And in this current climate, it is not farfetched to think protections over gay people will begin to diminish. There may be a movement coming to round them up to kill them. You are going to have to decide if their lives matter to you.
And this will not stop gay people from existing. More will be born. You will just have to keep killing and killing your kin. That may be the future ahead.
I wish you all the best in navigating it. I really do.
An appeal to emotion here, not to Scripture or sound reasoning.
Scripture consistently condemns homosexual practice, both in the Old Testament and in the New, not as a matter of cultural prejudice but as a violation of God’s created order. Let me walk carefully through the main texts with their context.
Old Testament witness
Genesis 1–2 sets the foundation. God created male and female, joined them in covenant marriage, and blessed that union as the means of “one flesh” (Genesis 2:24). Every other sexual expression is shown as a distortion of this design. Genesis 19 presents the men of Sodom demanding sexual relations with Lot’s visitors. Though some modern interpreters argue that the sin was only inhospitality, the verbs used (Genesis 19:5, yada, “to know sexually”) and the later testimony of Jude 7 (“strange flesh”) show sexual perversion as central. Leviticus 18:22 states clearly, “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.”
The Hebrew toevah signifies moral revulsion in God’s eyes. Leviticus 20:13 repeats it with the death penalty in Israel’s theocratic law, showing its gravity under the covenant.
New Testament witness
Romans 1:24–27 is the clearest passage. Paul describes humanity suppressing God’s truth and exchanging His glory for idols, and as a result God “gave them up” to dishonorable passions. Women exchanged natural relations for those contrary to nature, and men burned in passion for one another, committing shameless acts. Paul grounds this not in culture but in creation order, using phusis (nature), showing that such acts invert God’s design. 1 Corinthians 6:9–10 lists “malakoi” (the passive partner, literally “soft men”) and “arsenokoitai” (male bedders) among those who will not inherit the kingdom. Both terms directly target homosexual practice. 1 Timothy 1:9–10 repeats arsenokoitai in the list of sins contrary to sound doctrine. Jude 7 reminds us that Sodom indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, serving as an example of judgment.
The cross and grace
Scripture does not isolate homosexuality as the unforgivable sin. It stands among other sins that flow from rebellion against God. Paul immediately follows 1 Corinthians 6:9–10 with verse 11: “And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” The verbs are past tense.
Transformation through the cross is possible. Christ bore the curse of sin on the tree (Galatians 3:13), and His blood cleanses every believer who repents and believes.
Application
The Bible condemns homosexual practice as sin, just as it condemns adultery, fornication, greed, and idolatry. It points sinners to the cross where grace abounds and where new identity in Christ breaks the chains of old desires. The call of the gospel is not tolerance of sin but crucifixion of the old nature and new creation in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17).
Gay pastors? Last I checked, the LGBTQ+ movement is sweeping across the world with aggressive militancy.
Thanks.
J.
I sincerely appreciate your admonition to love ALL others as God loves all. Your implied encouragement to “Walk in wisdom toward those who are outside, …that you may know how you ought to answer each one” (Col. 4:5-6) is received and respected. You make strong arguments to perpetually testify of the Love of God in the ways we relate to the lost world around us. We should all hear you in this regard, in as much as it is sound scriptural advice.
I’m not sure if you will respect my position as much as you do the position of those who you feel duty bound to protect in this thread, but we’ll see. You neglected to respond to my post #35 in this thread, (like you didn’t respond to me in the thread “What’s the Difference Between the Holy Spirit and Your Conscience?”), but in this thread you just continued to reiterate many of the same things you have already said quite plainly. I want you to know that I hear you. I have carefully read your positional statements, and I feel confident I understand what you were conveying; I get where you are coming from. Allow me to offer a friendly reflection: I find in reading your posts two common approaches that, to me, hold very little convincing power: one is repetitive reiteration, and the second is unnecessary false accusation.
Allow me to reflect on some of your statements: You said:
While you may feel this, I cannot find any of this accusation to be valid in this thread. This false accusation seems to be based then in some previous encounters you have had on this subject. I acknowledge many probably do not handle this question biblically, or in a Christlike manner. I have not had that experience, but I have heard enough reports of it to be believable. I do not doubt that this happens, but I do not see it here. Even so, you are heard.
You said:
I cannot seem to replicate this exaggeration anywhere, except maybe in what is spewed by the propaganda machine of Hollywood. When asked if they “identify” as “homosexual”, the results of good research sayless than 2% of men and .5% of women “identify” as “homosexual”. (Bailey, J. Michael; Vasey, Paul; Diamond, Lisa; Breedlove, S. Marc; Vilain, Eric; Epprecht, Marc (2016).)
Worldwide, less than 3% of all people “identify” as some form of “homosexual”. An IPSOS survey found that men are more likely than women to “identify as homosexual” (4% vs. 1%), and the reason for this is not obscure. I will remind you, sociologically to “identify” as a social group participant does not actually represent a clinical evaluation. Generally speaking, more identify with a group in which they don’t actually belong than those who fail to identify with a group in which they do. Therefore, it is expected the 3% global figure is inflated, possibly doubled, to include those who just want to belong, or are seeking social acceptance. (I have two granddaughters in this category)
You said:
My answer is, “Yes I do”. There are other, much more reliable, explanations for this phenomenon than the prosaic explanation that their struggle is with “a fundamental part of their existence”. It is not my intention to elucidate those better explanations here in this thread, only to suggest that the popular explanation is so unbelievable it can only be birthed in the halls of deception. Your personal experiences, or observations are well noted; the horrific examples you shared are heard, and I agree they are horrendous. I agree that much damage is being done by both sides of this misunderstanding, but the loudest newsworthy minority does not undo the great work and testimony of the quiet and humble majority; you just don’t see them on the news, and you don’t give them the acknowledgement they deserve in your post. Even so, I agree many damaged kids are being damaged even more by unwise efforts to confront the perversion. You are heard.
You said:
I’m not sure who the “you” are to whom you are referring. This reads like an unconvincing false accusation to me. We know the wages of sin is death. But Christians hate the cause of death, not the victims of it.
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