Is Being Gay a Sin?

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Tillman, your argument reads like a theological smoothie… blended feelings, half-truths, and a dash of suspicion about the integrity of Scripture… but no meat. Let’s get something straight: the Bible doesn’t need your cultural filter or modern discomfort to validate what it calls sin.

You said, “Scripture doesn’t support that”… but which Scripture are you actually reading? Because the real one… the one breathed out by God and preserved through fire and blood… doesn’t dodge this issue. It names it. Repeatedly.

Genesis 19 isn’t about bad manners. It’s about sin so severe the outcry reached heaven. Jude 1:7 spells it out in case Sodom apologists try to rebrand it again: “…they indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire.” That’s not about hospitality, it’s about deviation from God’s design.

Leviticus 18:22 says it plainly. Romans 1 shouts it louder. First Corinthians 6:9–10 doesn’t flinch. And let’s not pretend Paul was just tossing in a few vague terms for dramatic effect. The Greek in Romans 1 describes male-with-male sexual acts with surgical clarity. You don’t need a seminary degree to understand it… you just need to stop trying to rewrite it.

Now let’s talk about your theory that these verses were “added in.” That’s not exegesis… that’s conspiracy. The same canon that tells you Jesus rose from the grave is the one you’re side-eyeing like someone planted a landmine in Leviticus. If you’re going to yank out the parts you don’t like, don’t stop at the clobber verses. Be honest and toss the cross while you’re at it, because that’s the same Word.

You brought up Philemon and Roman slave laws like it’s some kind of loophole for sin. That’s called eisegesis—reading your assumptions into the text instead of pulling God’s truth out of it. Paul sent Onesimus back as a brother, not a boy toy. And Ephesians 6? That’s not a moral endorsement of Roman abuse, it’s a call for Christlike character inside broken systems. You don’t get to hang an entire sexual ethic on what Paul didn’t say while ignoring what he explicitly said elsewhere.

And the logic that “if homosexuality was such a big deal, it’d be mentioned more”? That’s not biblical reasoning, that’s courtroom deflection. How many times does God have to say something before it’s holy? One verse is enough to split seas and shake nations. You think God whispers when He’s serious? Go ask Ananias and Sapphira what happens when God speaks once and expects obedience.

Look, nobody’s questioning the worth or dignity of people caught in sin. We’re all born broken. But affirming sin to avoid offense isn’t love… it’s betrayal. Real love tells the truth even when it costs. Jesus dined with sinners… but He didn’t affirm their sin. He said, “Go and sin no more.”

You want unconditional love? It’s at the cross. You want unrepentant sin blessed? You’ll have to look somewhere else. The Holy Spirit convicts, He doesn’t coddle. And the Gospel doesn’t blur the lines… it draws them in blood.

You say it’s easy to let cultural bias creep in… you’re right. That’s why we anchor to Scripture and not sentiment.

So let me ask it straight: If Scripture is God-breathed, who gave you the authority to hold the highlighter?

—Sincere Seeker. Stay grounded. Stay sharp. Stay in the Word.

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@SincereSeeker

We are all entitled to our opinion. But I don’t believe you accurately counter my arguments. However, that is some magnificent word jello. I mean, the dance moves in that lingo tango are quite impressive. Thank you for taking the time.

Blessed be.

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@anon75384934, you’re trying to climb out of the pit with a shovel.

You warn about Pharisees… but forget what made them Pharisees. It wasn’t that they cared too much about the law. It’s that they twisted it into self-righteous loopholes while ignoring the weightier matters. You’re not calling out their mistake… you’re repeating it. Taking the clear commands of God and muddying them with sentimental comparisons and clever spin. That’s not discernment. That’s deflection dressed in robes of false humility.

You invoke Jesus’ warning of woe… and somehow aim it at people who actually believe what Scripture says about sin. Let’s be clear… Jesus didn’t rebuke the Pharisees for upholding righteousness. He rebuked them for faking it. For making up their own rules while ignoring the heart of God. For being whitewashed tombs… outwardly polished, inwardly rotten. That’s not what happens when you call sin what God calls it. That’s what happens when you wrap compromise in religious language and think nobody will notice.

Your Samaritan detour is poetic but misplaced. Jesus praised the Samaritan for mercy… not for theology. He didn’t say, “You worship wrong but it’s fine because your heart’s in the right place.” He said, “You worship what you do not know.” The kindness of the Samaritan didn’t erase truth. It revealed the fruit of a heart already humbled by it. And Jesus didn’t skip over her sin. He laid it bare. The woman wanted to talk about sacred mountains… Jesus talked about her live-in lover. That’s not tolerance. That’s truth in action.

You said change the Spirit and you won’t care what your neighbor does. No. The Spirit changes you first. He convicts of sin, not ignores it. He doesn’t edit God’s law to match human appetite. He doesn’t turn a blind eye to rebellion and call it grace. He is holy… and He produces holiness. Not loopholes.

And that line… “we are all entitled to our opinion.” No, we’re not. We’re entitled to bow. To repent. To obey. Your opinion doesn’t get to sit on a throne God already occupies. You don’t get to drape sin in spiritual poetry and expect the Holy Spirit to applaud.

You called my reply “word jello.” Cute. But the only thing wobbling here is your foundation. You never answered Scripture. You didn’t touch Leviticus 18. You danced around Romans 1. You ignored 1 Corinthians 6. You wrote a monologue… but skipped the Bible. That’s not an argument. That’s an escape route.

So let me ask it again. Slowly. Does the Bible say men lying with men is sin? Yes. Does Jesus call sinners to be affirmed… or to repent? Repent. Every time. Because grace isn’t about letting you stay in the grave. It’s about raising you out of it.

You can either keep trading clarity for comfort… or you can open the Word and let it break you before it saves you.

—Sincere Seeker. Scripturally savage. Here for the Truth.

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@SincereSeeker

And yet I have perfect peace in my stance. Peace, that my stance is Christ like, Holy Spirit breathed, and focussed on the inside of the cup. While avoiding the sin of judging my neighbors and chasing them away from Christ. Or the sin of placing shackles on them that even I myself don’t wear becauae God does not require it of me.

And why would I? How hypocritical would one have to be to hold one’s neighbor up to a standard you yourself don’t have to bare. Praise be to Jesus that the Law of Love is all I need to meet. For all other laws submit to it. Only a pitiful slave of sin still looks back at the written Law to define their lives, for it could not save you before Christ and it cannot save you now.

And that mantle of being called, a Son of God, can belong to you as well dear reader by asking God to send His Holy Spirit into your life.

Blessed be.

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Tillman, peace isn’t the litmus test for truth.

Jonah had peace sleeping in a boat while running from God. The prophets of Baal had peace right up until fire fell from heaven. The Pharisees had peace while plotting to crucify Christ. So no… peace isn’t proof. Truth is. And the Holy Spirit doesn’t contradict Himself. He inspired the Word. He doesn’t whisper one thing to you while writing something else in Scripture.

You say your stance is Christlike. Then it should look like Christ. And Christ never affirmed sin. Not once. He forgave sinners, yes… but always with a call to go and sin no more. He didn’t hand out spiritual participation trophies for sincerity. He called for repentance. He wasn’t soft on sin… He was slain for it.

This “inside of the cup” argument sounds holy, but it’s hollow. Jesus didn’t say ignore the outside. He said clean the inside so that the outside would be clean also. You’re preaching half the verse like it’s the whole gospel. That’s not cleaning the cup. That’s spiritual sleight of hand.

And the “don’t judge” card? Overplayed. Misquoted. Jesus said take the log out of your own eye so that you can see clearly to help your brother. He didn’t say stop calling sin what it is. He said deal with your own before you help others. Not silence… but righteousness with humility.

You say it’s hypocritical to hold someone to a standard you yourself don’t bear. But every believer does bear it. That’s the whole point of grace. We were dead in sin, raised to new life, and now called to walk worthy of the calling we’ve received. No one gets to shrug off God’s commands and call it love. That’s not love. That’s neglect in a spiritual costume.

As for the Law of Love… yes, all the Law and Prophets hang on it. But that law leads you back to holiness. It doesn’t erase it. Loving God means obeying Him. Not redefining His words to fit our culture. The Law of Love doesn’t say “do what feels right.” It says love God with everything… and love your neighbor enough to call them to the same.

You call anyone who still honors God’s moral commands a pitiful slave of sin. But Scripture says the law is holy, righteous, and good. Jesus didn’t come to abolish the law. He came to fulfill it. And the Spirit writes it on our hearts—not so we can ignore it, but so we can live it.

You say “blessed be.” I’ll say it too… but only if the blessing you’re chasing is the one that comes by walking in truth, not trading it for comfort.

—Sincere Seeker. Scripturally savage. Here for the Truth.

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@SincereSeeker

We will just have to agree to disagree. I will pray for you as I am sure you will pray for me. And God can distinguish between the weeds and the wheat.

May that Love that holds me find a way into your heart. And settle the war in your soul.

Blessed Be.

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Tillman, agreeing to disagree might sound humble, but when it comes to sin, salvation, and the authority of Scripture, it’s not humility… it’s surrender. Not to Christ, but to confusion.

You say God will separate the wheat from the weeds. He will. But you’re speaking as if both are equally valid while they grow. That’s not what Jesus taught. The wheat bears fruit that matches its root. The weed imitates, resists, and ultimately gets burned. God knows the difference… and so should we, because He gave us His Word to see it.

You say you’ll pray for me. Fine. I’ll pray for you too. But let’s not pretend prayer is a substitute for repentance. Prayer isn’t magic. It’s surrender. And if you’re praying while holding onto rebellion, then your words go up but don’t break through. God is not impressed by poetic language wrapped around disobedience.

You talk about love that “holds you.” Real love doesn’t hold you in sin. It pulls you out of it. The Holy Spirit doesn’t pet your conscience while you drift further from truth. He convicts. He warns. He breaks before He rebuilds. The peace He gives is not the peace that lets you ignore His Word. It’s the peace that comes after the war with your flesh has been won.

And that phrase you keep closing with… blessed be. That’s not the language of the apostles. That’s the language of altars that don’t face Calvary. If you’re borrowing words from a system that denies Christ, don’t be surprised when the spirit behind them does too.

No, I will not agree to disagree. I will agree with God. Always.

—Sincere Seeker. Stay grounded. Stay sharp. Stay in the Word.

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@SincereSeeker

I agree. It would be a travesty if your final destination were to be determined by a flawed interpretation brought on by a lack of guidance by the Holy Spirit.

Scripture can only be properly understood by someone who has been transformed by the Holy Spirit. For even in the times of Christ, many thought they knew God’s Word but failed tremendously to fully grasp God’s Will. They used Scripture to encourage all kinds of evil behavior- Neglecting the poor, the widow, the orphan, the less fortunate. And putting themselves up high above “sinners.” Forsaking the sick and the wounded as not to become unclean.

But in reality, dear believers, it is your lack of love that blocks your understanding, and its your lack of love that blocks your way forward toward healing and wholeness and a good standing with God., for it is a lack of love that makes you or any of us detestable before the Lord. You are nothing without Love, no matter how smart or fancy your words appear. And no matter how sharp and straight you look on Sunday.

There will be many homosexuals and transsexuals and so on who enter the gates of heaven. And many Christians who fail to. On the basis that some practiced the Law of Love: by being a voice for the vulnerable, by standing up for the foreignor, by giving orphans a home, by feeding the hungry, by giving the homeless a shelter.

While others: Removed and jailed the homeless, Took food from the mouths of starving children while increasing their own portions, Created situations where the vulnerable would get sick from Covid and die, Linited access to vaccines by those who wanted them, by valuing money over human life, by stripping health care and basic human rights from the poor and powerless, by leaving the sick, elderly and dying alone to die…

But they learned, those Pharissee who thought they knew God’s Will. We all do. Eventually. Better to stop this harrasment of “sinners” and focus on your own hearts, making sure it is indeed right or repent and work toward making it right.

Blessed Be, in Christ Jesus.

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Brother, let’s be clear: God hates sin, but He never stops loving sinners. That’s the heart of the gospel.

Romans 1:26–27 speaks plainly that homosexual acts are “contrary to nature.” 1 Corinthians 6:9–10 includes “men who practice homosexuality” among sins that exclude from the kingdom of God. Scripture leaves no room to call it neutral or holy—it is sin. But Paul doesn’t end there. The very next verse (1 Cor. 6:11) gives hope: “And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”

This is the key: God condemns sin, but He cleanses sinners. Christ Himself said, “I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance” (Luke 5:32). To call sin by its name is not cruelty but love—because without naming the disease, there is no cure.

Think of the cross. On Calvary, Christ bore the sins of the world—every sin, including sexual sin. Isaiah 53:6 declares: “The LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.” That means no one is beyond forgiveness. The same blood that covered David’s adultery, Peter’s denial, and Paul’s persecution of the Church can cover homosexuality too.

To say “being gay is sin” is not to cast stones—it is to open the door to grace. John 8 shows this balance: Jesus told the woman caught in adultery, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.” Grace forgives, but grace also transforms. But remember, what does Jesus say…Sin no more

So, yes, homosexuality is sin. But the Church does not single it out as an unforgivable sin. It is one of many sins Christ died to redeem us from. God’s love is fierce: He hates what destroys us, but He loves us enough to give His Son to set us free. That is why Paul can say, “Where sin increased, grace abounded all the more” (Rom. 5:20).

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The Truth of God’s Word is this- All things that actually come from God align with the Law of Love. Love God, Love your neighbor, Love yourself. It is a threefold Law no one and nothing rides above.

If homosexuality is a sin, explain in what way same sex relationships represent a lack of love with no reference to any rule or statement in the Bible. Explain How their relationships go against God if they Worship God and Love God, Neighbor, and Self?

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@Samuel_23

Answer the following question.

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Here’s how I feel: I covet, yet I love God. I covet, yet I love my neighbors. I covet, yet I love myself. My desires do not define my obedience; my heart is committed to walking in the truth of God’s Word.

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@Samuel_23

Please answer the question or acknowledge that it does not have anything directly to do with love or a lack.

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Who told you, that if you worship God, love God, love Neighbour and self, you are saved?

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@Samuel_23

That is a twisting of the subject. We are not talking about salvation. We are talking about being obedient to God. Answer the question.

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Yet you claim to take this from Scripture, and yet the same Scripture—in both the Old and New Testaments—clearly condemns homosexuality and blasphemy as sin. You cannot pick and choose like a buffet, taking only what appeals to you. Who are you, or I, to impose conditions on obedience? Has it not already been given clearly in God’s Word?

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You can’t answer the question because the answer is that committed homosexual relationships do not go against the Love Cmmandment. Clearly your persecution of homosexuals is based on ignorant man made laws that made their way into the Bible. Not every event described by the Bible represents God’s Desire for humanity, and neither do all the Laws given by the law makers and copied by the scribes. Humans can err. They can get it wrong. But Christ Alone brings the sword that slices through the lies.

But you value a book put together by men above the very Word of God written within it. You choose the weeds instead of God’s Truth, and that is the indictment against Christians who claim they are saved but are far from it. And this is but one way God tests your heart.

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see I answered your question, take the rest of the Scriptures
Leviticus 18:22

  • “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.”

Leviticus 20:13

  • “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

Romans 1:26–27:

  • Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

1 Corinthians 6:9–10

  • “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality…"

1 Timothy 1:8–11

  • “the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality"

Leviticus begins with 18 The Lord said to Moses, and the same Lord said:
Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

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@anon75384934, to assert that the coming of Christ nullifies the moral injunctions of the Law is a fundamental misreading of Scripture. Matthew 5:17–19 explicitly states:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them… whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven.”

Christ’s fulfillment of the Law is not a dismissal of its moral imperatives; rather, it is the perfect obedience through which the Law’s true purpose is realized. The prohibitions in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 regarding homosexual acts remain authoritative because they reflect God’s eternal design for human sexuality and covenantal holiness. Romans 13:8–10 confirms that love does not abolish the Law; it fulfills it.

Grace in Christ does not render sin inconsequential. Homosexual acts, like blasphemy and other sins, remain morally contrary to God’s ordinance. Salvation is through Christ alone, yet obedience to His commandments is non-negotiable. To selectively ignore the moral precepts of Scripture under the guise of “love” is to distort both Testaments. The Word is absolute; human preference is not.

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Moreover, to dismiss divine law as “man-made” while appealing to Christ as your ultimate authority is inconsistent. Christ Himself affirmed the moral contours of the Law and condemned sin (John 8:11). Salvation is indeed through Him, but obedience is inseparable from faith. To redefine sin according to personal preference is to elevate human judgment above God’s Word—a perilous path that Scripture repeatedly warns against (Isaiah 5:20; Matthew 7:21–23).